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Re: Equinox Depth
Posted by: mtwolf2270
Date: December 30, 2017 04:33PM
Ml also never said FBS does it better said FBS would have an avantage on high conductive targets. Advantage and better is a matter of opinion. I say this as a long time FBS user it has adavantage in clean ground. In hot or super trashy FBS can be crippled. So the slight advantage of FBS will prove to be theroy I predict.

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Re: Equinox Depth
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: December 30, 2017 05:34PM
dewcon,

The fact that you are "scratching your head" about the statements that "EQ will obsolete single freq. but it's not as good as FBS," is from my perspective completely understandable. You are scratching your head BECAUSE -- it really DOESN'T make any sense. You are spot on, and it's no wonder the statement is a "head scratcher" to you. It SHOULD be, for anyone who spends a little time thinking.

What do I mean by that?

I have said this several times before, in different posts on different forums...the only logical way to make sense of it, in MY mind, is to recognize that it is nothing more than MARKETING. While it's MARKETING to say that all other single frequency units will be "obsoleted," it's also marketing to say that "Multi-IQ will offer slightly less performance on silver than FBS."

Both of those statements CANNOT be true, at the same time -- and that, I think, is why you are rightfully scratching your head.

Here are the options as I see them...

Option 1. Minelab's "obsolete" statement is entirely B.S. -- pure, unsubstantiated nonsense designed entirely to generate sales.

I think this is unlikely; while I think "obsolete" is a bit "strong" of a word to use, I also think that were this unit not to prove to be a real-deal, high-end performer, Minelab would look really bad, and likely take a big "hit" in terms of customer dissatisfaction.

SO, if "obsolete," though perhaps a bit overstated, is not COMPLETE nonsense, then what?

Option 2. Minelab's "obsolete" statement is not about performance, per se, but more about the fact that the "whole package" (waterproof, wireless, lightweight, selectable single freq. OR multi freq. without changing coils, etc.), when considered "in it's entirety," is what "obsoletes" detectors that offer ONLY single frequency operation.

This is kind of what Jason was implying, I think, in his recent post. And I think this is a possibility; I think it is possible that PERFORMANCE, while "good," is not why Minelab is saying it "obsoletes" single frequency units. Instead, it's the Equinox's complete PACKAGE that makes running "just" a single-frequency-only machine "obsolete." But, I think this is a bit doubtful, too, because -- when Minelab says the Equinox "obsoletes," they immediately follow it up with discussion of MULTI-IQ, implying it is MULTI-IQ that they believe will obsolete other detectors that lack "Multi-IQ." Consider this, taken from Minelab's webpage, the Equinox Treasure Talk "Part 1" entry...

“EQUINOX obsoletes all single frequency VLF detectors”

Multi-IQ achieves a high level of target ID accuracy at depth much better than any single frequency detector can achieve, including switchable single frequency detectors that claim to be multi-frequency...
etc. etc.

So it seems pretty clear to me that they are not saying "the Equinox has more features/options than other detectors, and thus it obsoletes the others," they are saying instead that "the Equinox -- with our new Multi-IQ technology -- obsoletes single-frequency-only detectors." It seems pretty clear, to me, that it is the PERFORMANCE ENHANCEMENT offered by Multi-IQ that they are touting...

Option 3. Finally, the last option...which is -- Minelab's "obsolete" statement really IS about performance -- that between selectable single frequencies AND Multi-IQ, the performance offered by the Equinox will "obsolete" single-frequency detectors.

So -- assuming THIS to be the most likely "meaning" behind Minelab's "obsolete" statement, and IF it is even close to being "true," then the only conclusion to be drawn (in my opinion) is that Multi-IQ will ALSO, INDEED, give FBS performance a run for it's money. Like I have said before, I truly do not believe -- given the high-quality, high-performance single-frequency units that have come on the market in the past decade or so -- that it would be even POSSIBLE to create a machine that performs so well, that it can "obsolete" those machines, without ALSO (perhaps inadvertently) challenging, or even surpassing, FBS performance in the process. There is NO WAY Minelab's engineers were tasked with coming up with a machine that offers cutting-edge performance, so as to "crush" the competition, and yet during the design process, these same engineers were being really, really careful while "crushing" the competition to "fall slightly under" the performance level of FBS. I say NONSENSE! If the engineers at Minelab did their jobs properly -- i.e. to create a unit that will surpass the competition in performance (and I believe they have), then there's little chance that they haven't -- in the process of doing so -- created something that puts FBS in danger of being "surpassed" as well.

AND THUS, all statements by Minelab which are trying to "qualify" their "obsolete" statements by saying "while the Equinox will obsolete everything single-freq. offered by other manufacturers, it WILL NOT obsolete our own machines" are in my strong opinion nothing more than pure marketing. It is simply the marketing department conjuring statements with the obvious, sole objective of hoping to keep the Equinox from entirely destroying sales of other, higher-priced units currently in Minelab's lineup (Safari, E-Trac, CTX, Excalibur II).

Bottom line, cutting through all of my long-windedness, my personal opinion (for what little that's worth) is that you are "scratching your head," dewcon, AS YOU SHOULD BE. Because, the statement makes no sense -- and thus, should be chalked up to being no more than marketing baloney!

Steve



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/30/2017 05:37PM by sgoss66.

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Re: amberjack.
Posted by: amberjack
Date: December 30, 2017 07:12PM
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so ya gunna buy me one :lmfao: sorry couldn't help myself :clapping:

AJ

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Re: Equinox Depth
Posted by: dewcon4414
Date: December 30, 2017 07:42PM
Steve....... i believe your comments in #2 also describes why they say they arent better than FBS.......... simply put more features with a bit more information. BUT.....the EQ has its advantages as well....... like being lighter and MORE freq which allow you hunt and find targets the FBS cant. Simple for water hunting and is water tight......no batteries to remove which was causing a lot of repairs. Performance....... well we will see if FBS is better soon.... id like to be impressed. Good solid comments Steve

Dew



CTX, Blue Xcals
Whatever you do in life, surround yourself with smart people who'll argue with you.... John Wooden.
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Re: Equinox Depth
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: December 30, 2017 08:03PM
Dew --

You make a good point there. There's no doubt that the E-Trac, and especially the CTX, offer far more "bells and whistles," and so it could easily be said by a "marketer," from that perspective, that the Equinox "is not as good as" FBS. Minelab has certainly positioned themselves such that a couple of years down the road, they can put out a Multi-IQ-based "flagship," (as others have speculated)...complete with all the bells and whistles. (And you can bet the marketing department WILL be willing to then say that Multi-IQ surpasses FBS!)

Bottom line, as we've all been saying, is it's all useless speculation, until we get them in our hands and put some "in the field hours" on them. It shouldn't be too much longer now...

Steve



Minelab CTX 3030
Minelab Equinox 800
Garrett ProPointer AT
Lesche hand digger
Lesche 38D Ground Shark "King of Spades"

Norman, OK



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/30/2017 08:04PM by sgoss66.

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Re: Equinox Depth
Posted by: dewcon4414
Date: December 31, 2017 11:55AM
Remember Steve.... the CTX has more.... but in the water the Xcal is its equal.... and I like simple.



CTX, Blue Xcals
Whatever you do in life, surround yourself with smart people who'll argue with you.... John Wooden.
D. Meeker

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Re: Equinox Depth
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: December 31, 2017 01:18PM
I guess that's true, Dew. I've never run (or seen up close) and Excal, but I do understand that without a screen, etc., that it's pretty simple to run/hunt with.

Steve



Minelab CTX 3030
Minelab Equinox 800
Garrett ProPointer AT
Lesche hand digger
Lesche 38D Ground Shark "King of Spades"

Norman, OK

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