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Re: Seems that ML has violated one of the truisms of good sales practice:
Posted by: SavingThePast
Date: February 07, 2018 08:19AM
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Rick(ND)
I think Andy deleted his post even though it was right on and tells it like it is, too many new people to this forums that think they no more than those that have 30 plus years of detecting. In order to keep peace and use this Equinox forum as intended he deleted his post.
We are seeing more BS on this forum and too many assuming when the Equinox should have been released, too many want this detector to do thing no other detector can do and feels instead of the operator learning what it can do they want it to work better then they they can do and understand.
Minelab made the mistake of announcing this detector until the testing done and a final product ready to make. Then again if they waited until after Christmas to announce it many people would be mad because they just bought a new detector for Christmas, so either way we are going to have people mad at Minelab.
What we are seeing is like the little girl on Willy Wonka that wants everything now no matter what it is even though many cant use it anyway because of the weather.
My biggest concerns is if it is ready to release or if they are releasing it to satisfy some that keep saying they want it now.
I am going to sit back and read any info like the owners manual and any field testers reports and wait for my dealer say mine is on it way before I get too excited as it will come sooner or later and just hope it is before our ground thaws. :thumbup:

Rick

I have nothing against Andy but I am curious as to a question that had been asked in his post as to whether or not he was a tester of the equinox and came to those conclusions.



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Re: Seems that ML has violated one of the truisms of good sales practice:
Posted by: SavingThePast
Date: February 07, 2018 08:28AM
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Jason in Enid




As for this Minelab thing, usually the truth lies somewhere in the middle. It's been an interesting follow. Makro did it right with their release of the Kruzer and Multi Kruzer. Minelab not so much.

Makro didnt create anything new. They took an existing detector and slapped it in a waterproof case.

spot on...and destroyed the value of the impact in the process. The impact hadnt been out hardly no time and people are now stuck with a detector they cant sell to get the kruzer unless they want to just unload it for a huge loss.



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Re: Seems that ML has violated one of the truisms of good sales practice:
Posted by: Beyonder
Date: February 07, 2018 08:45AM
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SavingThePast





As for this Minelab thing, usually the truth lies somewhere in the middle. It's been an interesting follow. Makro did it right with their release of the Kruzer and Multi Kruzer. Minelab not so much.

Makro didnt create anything new. They took an existing detector and slapped it in a waterproof case.

spot on...and destroyed the value of the impact in the process. The impact hadnt been out hardly no time and people are now stuck with a detector they cant sell to get the kruzer unless they want to just unload it for a huge loss.

The Impact is a totally different animal. This is like comparing an CTX to a Gold Monster. Two different machines TWO different purposes.

When the Kruzer came out, my first thought was to dump the Impact and get a Kruzer, but that would of been a huge mistake. The Impact has many more modes, and in fact, is like having many different types of detectors in one. If you watch the videos of the Kruzer(and you have any experience with their brands) you can tell right away the change in the VCO compared to the Impact. As for the Kruzer being "new tech", some parts seem to be, I can't be sure at this point.

Anyway, I am hoping to get my Nox soon and I will have comparison videos of the Impact vs The Nox in an EPIC show down!

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Re: Seems that ML has violated one of the truisms of good sales practice:
Posted by: lytle78
Date: February 07, 2018 09:44AM
Ah, begees, I see your problem about the detector pallets.

Look at the exposed corner. There are 2 rows side by side of boxes - four high - a sort of “face row”.

Behind the right-hand “face row” the boxes are stacked four-high, but stacked from front to back. The depth of the standard pallet is 40 inches – so I’m guessing that the boxes are four inches side to side and 36 inches long – therefore since the face row is 36” wide, behind the face row there would be 9 rows of 4” wide boxes, stacked 4 high.

Notice that the left hand face row overhangs the left hand edge of the pallet - that means that the boxes behind the face row must be stacked like the face row - from side to side and not front to back - like on the right-hand side - if they were front to back, the last two rows of boxes would fall off the edge of the pallet.

So, right hand side of pallet - face row = 4 boxes, behind that either 9 rows deep and 4 high = 36 boxes.

On the left side, we have 10 rows of boxes which are 4” wide) , four boxes high = 40 boxes.

So if my guesses are right, 76 Detectors Per pallet . I may be wrong on the actual calculations, but there are clearly 70-80 Detectors per pallet.



Rick Kempf



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/07/2018 10:03AM by lytle78.

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Re: Seems that ML has violated one of the truisms of good sales practice:
Posted by: SavingThePast
Date: February 07, 2018 09:53AM
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Beyonder






As for this Minelab thing, usually the truth lies somewhere in the middle. It's been an interesting follow. Makro did it right with their release of the Kruzer and Multi Kruzer. Minelab not so much.

Makro didnt create anything new. They took an existing detector and slapped it in a waterproof case.

spot on...and destroyed the value of the impact in the process. The impact hadnt been out hardly no time and people are now stuck with a detector they cant sell to get the kruzer unless they want to just unload it for a huge loss.

The Impact is a totally different animal. This is like comparing an CTX to a Gold Monster. Two different machines TWO different purposes.

When the Kruzer came out, my first thought was to dump the Impact and get a Kruzer, but that would of been a huge mistake. The Impact has many more modes, and in fact, is like having many different types of detectors in one. If you watch the videos of the Kruzer(and you have any experience with their brands) you can tell right away the change in the VCO compared to the Impact. As for the Kruzer being "new tech", some parts seem to be, I can't be sure at this point.

Anyway, I am hoping to get my Nox soon and I will have comparison videos of the Impact vs The Nox in an EPIC show down!

hmm, here is quote from Keith S. who was a tester for the Kruzer..... "To me RIGHT NOW I can grab the Multi Kruzer and feel like if I'm leaving the Impact or Racer at home I'm not losing any performance...and I like the way it feels, the best feel of the whole line.LOVE THE ARMREST FINALLY!!!!..and I like the peace of mind of no dust/rain/Dirt and I can hit the beach maybe once or twice the year...and I get unmasking everywhere."

add in that the kruzer is waterproof....



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/07/2018 09:55AM by SavingThePast.


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Re: Seems that ML has violated one of the truisms of good sales practice:
Posted by: SavingThePast
Date: February 07, 2018 09:58AM
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SavingThePast

I think Andy deleted his post even though it was right on and tells it like it is, too many new people to this forums that think they no more than those that have 30 plus years of detecting. In order to keep peace and use this Equinox forum as intended he deleted his post.
We are seeing more BS on this forum and too many assuming when the Equinox should have been released, too many want this detector to do thing no other detector can do and feels instead of the operator learning what it can do they want it to work better then they they can do and understand.
Minelab made the mistake of announcing this detector until the testing done and a final product ready to make. Then again if they waited until after Christmas to announce it many people would be mad because they just bought a new detector for Christmas, so either way we are going to have people mad at Minelab.
What we are seeing is like the little girl on Willy Wonka that wants everything now no matter what it is even though many cant use it anyway because of the weather.
My biggest concerns is if it is ready to release or if they are releasing it to satisfy some that keep saying they want it now.
I am going to sit back and read any info like the owners manual and any field testers reports and wait for my dealer say mine is on it way before I get too excited as it will come sooner or later and just hope it is before our ground thaws. :thumbup:

Rick

I have nothing against Andy but I am curious as to a question that had been asked in his post as to whether or not he was a tester of the equinox and came to those conclusions.

Andy, thanks for the pm and giving me some clarification! much appreciated!



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Re: Seems that ML has violated one of the truisms of good sales practice:
Posted by: TomNH
Date: February 07, 2018 10:09AM
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beegees

Ah, begees, I see your problem about the detector pallets.

Look at the exposed corner. There are 2 rows side by side of boxes - four high - a sort of “face row”.

Behind the right-hand “face row” the boxes are stacked four-high, but stacked from front to back. The depth of the standard pallet is 40 inches – so I’m guessing that the boxes are four inches side to side and 36 inches long – therefore since the face row is 36” wide, behind the face row there would be 9 rows of 4” wide boxes, stacked 4 high.

Notice that the left hand face row overhangs the left hand edge of the pallet - that means that the boxes behind the face row must be stacked like the face row - from side to side and not front to back - like on the right-hand side - if they were front to back, the last two rows of boxes would fall off the edge of the pallet.

So, right hand side of pallet - face row = 4 boxes, behind that either 9 rows deep and 4 high = 36 boxes.

On the left side, we have 10 rows 9of boxes which are 4” wide) , four boxes high = 40 boxes.

So if my guesses are right, 76 Detectors Per pallet . I may be wrong on the actual calculations, but there are clearly 70-80 Detectors per pallet.

Thank you for figuring that out. I suppose the Jenga like stacking helps keep the pallet intact better, and confused my eyes.
Palletology........
An expert could tell you everything about that shipment ! Much like crateology where you use recon photos to determine whats
in a crate.

Tom
LFOD !

Re: Seems that ML has violated one of the truisms of good sales practice:
Posted by: Beyonder
Date: February 07, 2018 10:20AM
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SavingThePast







As for this Minelab thing, usually the truth lies somewhere in the middle. It's been an interesting follow. Makro did it right with their release of the Kruzer and Multi Kruzer. Minelab not so much.

Makro didnt create anything new. They took an existing detector and slapped it in a waterproof case.

spot on...and destroyed the value of the impact in the process. The impact hadnt been out hardly no time and people are now stuck with a detector they cant sell to get the kruzer unless they want to just unload it for a huge loss.

The Impact is a totally different animal. This is like comparing an CTX to a Gold Monster. Two different machines TWO different purposes.

When the Kruzer came out, my first thought was to dump the Impact and get a Kruzer, but that would of been a huge mistake. The Impact has many more modes, and in fact, is like having many different types of detectors in one. If you watch the videos of the Kruzer(and you have any experience with their brands) you can tell right away the change in the VCO compared to the Impact. As for the Kruzer being "new tech", some parts seem to be, I can't be sure at this point.

Anyway, I am hoping to get my Nox soon and I will have comparison videos of the Impact vs The Nox in an EPIC show down!

hmm, here is quote from Keith S. who was a tester for the Kruzer..... "To me RIGHT NOW I can grab the Multi Kruzer and feel like if I'm leaving the Impact or Racer at home I'm not losing any performance...and I like the way it feels, the best feel of the whole line.LOVE THE ARMREST FINALLY!!!!..and I like the peace of mind of no dust/rain/Dirt and I can hit the beach maybe once or twice the year...and I get unmasking everywhere."

add in that the kruzer is waterproof....

All of that is subjective(not knocking Keith) and doesn't change the fact that they are two different machines. There may be some refinements on features on the Kruzer that surpass some of those same features that are on the Impact, but, some have features the other doesn't. I'm just trying to debate your point and what I think is a common misconception.

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Re: Seems that ML has violated one of the truisms of good sales practice:
Posted by: Champ Ferguson
Date: February 07, 2018 11:32AM
I'm still waiting on the troll/shill to show me where ML has said something that wasn't so. I notice he avoids that thread now.



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Re: Seems that ML has violated one of the truisms of good sales practice:
Posted by: greenmeanie
Date: February 07, 2018 02:16PM
Who was that?

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Champ Ferguson
I'm still waiting on the troll/shill to show me where ML has said something that wasn't so. I notice he avoids that thread now.



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Re: Seems that ML has violated one of the truisms of good sales practice:
Posted by: Ytcoinshooter
Date: February 07, 2018 03:53PM
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Rick(ND)
I think Andy deleted his post even though it was right on and tells it like it is, too many new people to this forums that think they no more than those that have 30 plus years of detecting. In order to keep peace and use this Equinox forum as intended he deleted his post.
We are seeing more BS on this forum and too many assuming when the Equinox should have been released, too many want this detector to do thing no other detector can do and feels instead of the operator learning what it can do they want it to work better then they they can do and understand.
Minelab made the mistake of announcing this detector until the testing done and a final product ready to make. Then again if they waited until after Christmas to announce it many people would be mad because they just bought a new detector for Christmas, so either way we are going to have people mad at Minelab.
What we are seeing is like the little girl on Willy Wonka that wants everything now no matter what it is even though many cant use it anyway because of the weather.
My biggest concerns is if it is ready to release or if they are releasing it to satisfy some that keep saying they want it now.
I am going to sit back and read any info like the owners manual and any field testers reports and wait for my dealer say mine is on it way before I get too excited as it will come sooner or later and just hope it is before our ground thaws. :thumbup:

Rick
Nice post Rick. I've been following this subject on & off and I've never seen such a subject that got so many panties ruffled! I hope the EQ turns to be all that's promised by ML but no way was I going to throw down on it prerelease. The created event announcement detectnix or whatever had me rolling my eyes, really. Sitting here on the beach in Cancun as I post I think how great travel unit it might turn out to be in the future. I'd like to pack the EQ and one of my PI's for our travels. No matter how the production units turn out performance wise I won't be heart broken having resisted the impulse preorder...but man what fine tool I hope it proves to be. Looking forward to real world results, speculation doesn't cut it for me.



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Re: Seems that ML has violated one of the truisms of good sales practice:
Posted by: Champ Ferguson
Date: February 07, 2018 08:34PM
More smoke and mirrors there, beegees. Show me where ML said something wrong. Heaping misdirection in front of you doesn't address the question.



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Re: Seems that ML has violated one of the truisms of good sales practice:
Posted by: Champ Ferguson
Date: February 08, 2018 08:28AM
ML has never said anything that turned out to be wrong. Period.
Show me the link to your post that contains a fact. All you do is innuendo. I wonder who employs you.



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Re: Seems that ML has violated one of the truisms of good sales practice:
Posted by: amberjack
Date: February 08, 2018 08:47AM
minelab must have bought out XP as only a deity can speak no wrong :buds: so the truth is every human has made mistakes and that includes minelab to think otherwise is :sleepy:

I just cant believe people are still on this forum chewing each other out over nothing I wore out months ago just pop in now and then to see if anyone has one of those yowies yet? I mean platypus or what ever its called :lmfao:

anyway I will drop back in in a few months time to see if the platypus can swim yet..

have fun my peeps and try being a bit nicer to each other or i'll send Aunty Jack around :punch:

AJ




Re: Seems that ML has violated one of the truisms of good sales practice:
Posted by: SteveP(NH)
Date: February 08, 2018 08:48AM
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beegees

I'm still waiting on the troll/shill to show me where ML has said something that wasn't so. I notice he avoids that thread now.


Who was that?

He may be talking about me, not sure. If it is me he's addressing, I'm not sure which thread he thinks I'm avoiding though. :hot:

I think Champs is a great old coot. He just needs a magnifying glass to find all the times we posted the proof for him. I heard he's got a great handheld microscope, we just gotta get these screens under it so he can see what we post. Same goes for all the ML announcements that come and go. Get out the handlens Champ. The answers are all over the place.

He's definitely talking about you. You seems to think that Minelab made an ironclad commitment to ship in December when they only provided their best estimate. I have never seen a new detector, especially when they are the first of their line using a technology new to that manufacture hit their estimate. Look at the Teknetics T2, it didn't ship until 9 months or so from when they made their estimate. This isn't the first nor will be the last case that a manufacture misses an estimate when they provide that estimate before field testing is complete. Field testing often uncovers bugs that were not detected by the internal test team. So just where do you feel they have broken a promise they made to you? You have yet to answer that despite being asked several times.

I also feel a sense of pity for you since you have stated that you have cancelled your order and do not intend to buy a Minelab product. You appear to be spending at least an hour a day posting here. If you are going to buy a detector from another brand it is most appropriate for you to go find out about that machine on its home forum. It seems like no amount of venting is going to make you feel any better so why hang around here. Everyone here is already well informed about your view of the NOX and Minelab and most are ignoring every post with your name on it now.



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