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Re: Recovery Speed “anomaly”
Posted by: calabash digger
Date: March 05, 2018 07:18AM
I set the five tone bins up where pretty much high tones on all non ferrous with subtle variation through the tone bins.. cut iron down on 2 vol and others 25 vol where non ferrous scream. If this works well in iron I will share it. I was trying to mimic my deus pitch iron program. BTW this for relics in iron only.....

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Re: Recovery Speed “anomaly”
Posted by: earthmansurfer
Date: March 05, 2018 02:24PM
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jas415
This is the sort of conversation that will make or break the Equinox. Experienced diggers doing tweaks.

In really heavy nails and trash areas, yes I still find stuff, but not with the clarity of the CTX, and that may just be my 'mental comfort and confidence' with a machine with almost 6 years of use. It is very obvious it is a very versatile machine, but the 'land' side of it needs serious tweaking for use in the heavy trash areas. I hunt pretty slow with the CTX, so slow sweep speeds are not an issue with me, I just need to get really comfortable with some system which will give me the confidence that I am 'hitting' stuff that is there. I am not trying to find 10-15" deep targets, I am after the 1-10" stuff.

Big YES regarding the tweaks. And on top of that I am really curious about using Gold 2 on coins (Someone mentioned that it was extremely deep).
Clearly this machine, when you take all the modes into account (which changes how things work in Multi Frequency), is one that can get you in trouble. If you stick with a few modes and perhaps slowly learn the other modes, things should be safe.
I realized early on with this machine that it really isn't just a turn and go E-Trac. FBS seemed much much more kind regarding settings changes. That said, you can probably tweek this bad boy to your soil, and get a bit more out of her.



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Re: Recovery Speed “anomaly”
Posted by: Trashfinder
Date: March 05, 2018 08:23PM
I am finding coins at 8 inches in park 2, recovery 6 no problems, but i am not whipping the coil either. I am using a 2-3 second sweep speed from one side to the other. Found a barber dime at 7 inches no problem a few days ago , rock solid ID and tone. Park 2 , recovery 6. I am manual GB my machine and no auto. and noise canceling fairly often. I experimented with recovery 4 in trash and seemed to separate pretty well.

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Re: Recovery Speed “anomaly”
Posted by: Cutaplug
Date: March 06, 2018 01:43AM
Well my bad guys I think I completely botched that air test somehow. Not sure how I got 3” before on recovery 8 but went back and double checked it again today and got 8-9” in recovery 8 and 13-14” on recovery 1. Sorry about that :sadwalk:.

@ Nuke em
I hear ya lol Did some testing with etrac and e 800 today and the e 800 held it’s own when it comes to depth. The VID was much more jumpy on the 800 on deeper targets but maybe there is some information in the bouncing that I have yet to discover. Need to do several more hunts before I know much. I plan on pounding a few residential with the e 800 then hitting them with the etrac to see if I miss anything. Would also like to get some good silver signals with the etrac and flag them to dig with the 800.

@Wayne etc
Thanks for the kinds words =) At setting 6 the 800 is very fast. It would probably be rare that you would use 7 or 8 and you could get a small coil to sort of compensate for that if you wanted.

@Earthman
I prefer low trash, soft soil and deep coins as well but when I moved to TN it’s all red clay and shallow stuff here. I’m lucky to get 7” in the red stuff. There are pockets of the deeper stuff here and there but sort of hard to come by. I remember when I first got my etrac I was watching your silver live digs you had the best on the net =)

@ jas415
When you say you find stuff but not with the clarity of CTX are you talking about the vid numbers? I feel like they bounce around a lot on the 800 but need to dig a lot more signals to see if I’m able to decipher the code.

@calabash
I think the e 800 is going to be a game changer for beach hunting. Doing an air test I also noticed the only settings that would pick up a very thin gold chain were Park 2, Gold 1 and Gold 2. AT Pro wouldn’t touch it. Can’t wait to get in the water with it, maybe I need a thicker wet suit. Were you able to get a 10” merc on recovery 4 repeatedly? If so did the numbers jump all over the place and streak high to like 38-39? Wondering if we create a mental average of these jumping numbers in our mind if we'll eventually be able to tell wheat from silver dime.

Something pretty cool happened today with recovery speed. I had a chance to get out for about an hour today at a permission and got a good signal up by the home’s front steps where there was a decent amount of trash. Running in recovery 4 I got a decent high tone that was repeatable but cutting out. Raised the recovery to 7 and it separated perfectly and sounded loud and clear in all directions. Lowered recovery to 2 and pretty much lost the signal completely, even when swinging very slowly. Dug it up and it was a wheatie at about 3-4 inches. The size/shape of the field under the coils changing due to recovery speed seemed hypothetical on the CTX/etrac but can be easily noticed on the 800.

Unlike the CTX /Etrac the recovery speed on the e 800 is a very serious setting lol. It was pretty amazing though cause I was able to hit the large open areas of the yard on recovery 3-4 and then when I got closer to the house around the driveway and front entrance where lots of trash was I bumped it up to 6-7 and was sneaking signals out left and right. In the past if I got to a house that had a lot of trash with the etrac I just left and found one with low trash lol.

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Re: Recovery Speed “anomaly”
Posted by: bigelow
Date: March 06, 2018 05:21AM
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Cutaplug
After doing some simple air testing I realized that with a recovery speed of 7 or 8 it would only get about 3" depth on a silver mercury dime. When lowering the recovery speed to 1 I was able to get about 12-13" on a merc dime. So recovery speed greatly changes depth capability for sure. Bill S also told me that to get depth you need to have Iron Bias at zero which makes sense. I ran Iron Bias at zero all day yesterday and had no issues even at a sensitivity of 22 so I think it's safe to say that Iron Bias should be a zero most of the time. So for max depth I would run Iron Bias at zero and recovery speed at 3 or less, ideally 1. With that being said is there a way to change the tones on the eq 800? Seems like a low recover speed changes the audio tone to more of a long smooth sound that sort of drives me nuts lol.


**oops I see now above you figured something out to get normal depths, anyhow heres my video test to help anyone who it may**

something wrong with your machine here I just ran different modes air testing Park 1 at max recovery ( 8 ) i hit a merc at 6-7" clearly and deeper im sure with headphones recovery (1) nearly 12"
https://youtu.be/NrnEy4WehGo



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Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 03/06/2018 05:26AM by bigelow.

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Re: Recovery Speed “anomaly”
Posted by: calabash digger
Date: March 06, 2018 06:27AM
COOL !!! Just a thought did you ground noise cancel before air test??? I saw a explorer 2 that wouldn't hit squat till it was ground noise cancelled.

Re: Recovery Speed “anomaly”
Posted by: Nuke em
Date: March 06, 2018 07:32AM
I just been to dealer and bought a new 705 . it has better tones and clearer too . I think its deeper. On the dry beach that is.



Uses = Minelab E.Trac , Minelab Equinox 800 , Macro Multi Kruzer , Minelab X.Terra 705 , Garrett Probes , Gray Ghost/ Nugget Busters

Re: Recovery Speed “anomaly”
Posted by: Ksdirt
Date: March 06, 2018 09:04AM
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Nuke em

After doing some simple air testing I realized that with a recovery speed of 7 or 8 it would only get about 3" depth on a silver mercury dime. When lowering the recovery speed to 1 I was able to get about 12-13" on a merc dime. So recovery speed greatly changes depth capability for sure. Bill S also told me that to get depth you need to have Iron Bias at zero which makes sense. I ran Iron Bias at zero all day yesterday and had no issues even at a sensitivity of 22 so I think it's safe to say that Iron Bias should be a zero most of the time. So for max depth I would run Iron Bias at zero and recovery speed at 3 or less, ideally 1. With that being said is there a way to change the tones on the eq 800? Seems like a low recover speed changes the audio tone to more of a long smooth sound that sort of drives me nuts lol.

Well if we have to use such low recovery speed then why not stay with our slow ET / Explorer's and such !
Tomorrow i will be out with my Explorer 11 , it has good sounds , good depth and good enough recovery speed . I need depth right now even if my arm will ache.

recovery speed 1 is still probly 4 times faster than the etrac

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Re: Recovery Speed “anomaly”
Posted by: bigelow
Date: March 06, 2018 11:21AM
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Nuke em
I just been to dealer and bought a new 705 . it has better tones and clearer too . I think its deeper. On the dry beach that is.

LMAO wrong but enjoy your 705, I guess you wont have to come here anymore to complain :P



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Re: Recovery Speed “anomaly”
Posted by: Nuke em
Date: March 06, 2018 01:21PM
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bigelow

I just been to dealer and bought a new 705 . it has better tones and clearer too . I think its deeper. On the dry beach that is.

LMAO wrong but enjoy your 705, I guess you wont have to come here anymore to complain :P

I tested both machines at the dealer and the Terra tones are better . I still have the Equinox . Complaining ? Just telling it how it is .

I have heard that the Terra's might be discontinued in a while . My advice is to bring out a new 705 with 3 freqs in 1 coil but keep the tones and numbers the same . Base it on the Equinox box and coil and stem but thats all. Or there will be a big gap between the Go Find and the Equinox .



Uses = Minelab E.Trac , Minelab Equinox 800 , Macro Multi Kruzer , Minelab X.Terra 705 , Garrett Probes , Gray Ghost/ Nugget Busters

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Re: Recovery Speed “anomaly”
Posted by: Cutaplug
Date: March 06, 2018 08:34PM
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bigelow

After doing some simple air testing I realized that with a recovery speed of 7 or 8 it would only get about 3" depth on a silver mercury dime. When lowering the recovery speed to 1 I was able to get about 12-13" on a merc dime. So recovery speed greatly changes depth capability for sure. Bill S also told me that to get depth you need to have Iron Bias at zero which makes sense. I ran Iron Bias at zero all day yesterday and had no issues even at a sensitivity of 22 so I think it's safe to say that Iron Bias should be a zero most of the time. So for max depth I would run Iron Bias at zero and recovery speed at 3 or less, ideally 1. With that being said is there a way to change the tones on the eq 800? Seems like a low recover speed changes the audio tone to more of a long smooth sound that sort of drives me nuts lol.


**oops I see now above you figured something out to get normal depths, anyhow heres my video test to help anyone who it may**

something wrong with your machine here I just ran different modes air testing Park 1 at max recovery ( 8 ) i hit a merc at 6-7" clearly and deeper im sure with headphones recovery (1) nearly 12"
https://youtu.be/NrnEy4WehGo

I had a bunch of different targets and was taking notes about settings and depth and I think I just wrote the number down wrong. I knew that seemed very shallow but didn't think much of it until you guys had different results lol.

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Re: Recovery Speed “anomaly”
Posted by: Cutaplug
Date: March 06, 2018 08:38PM
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calabash digger
COOL !!! Just a thought did you ground noise cancel before air test??? I saw a explorer 2 that wouldn't hit squat till it was ground noise cancelled.

Ya I was in my garage so noise canceled for sure. I have a very thin gold chain that I was testing in Park 2 and it gets 3" with recovery 8 I think I just got that number mixed up. One thing I have noticed is that noise cancel doesn't seem to do much as far as quieting down the machine but I feel the etrac and CTX were the same way. I don't mind falsing and blips from high sense but emi really bugs me.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/06/2018 08:39PM by Cutaplug.

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Re: Recovery Speed “anomaly”
Posted by: earthmansurfer
Date: March 07, 2018 12:38PM
@cutaplug - thanks for the recovery speed correction!

I am thinking of running in 4 and testing up and down to find what works well in my soil for deeper coins (mostly, my target). I won't touch 7 and 8.
In clean fields, I will run really low of course.



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Lesche Knife

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Yoda

Re: Recovery Speed “anomaly”
Posted by: Bryan V
Date: March 07, 2018 01:00PM
I don’t fear the loss of depth as much with fast Recovery Speed after yesterday’s hunt..
I hit a nice soft repeatable high tone in Recovery 4 ( on the 800) and checked all speeds from
1 to 8 before I dug the target.. All speeds hit nicely although the tones are clipped considerably
at the highest speeds as would be expected.. Still repeatable from all angles..
The target end up being an 8” Barber Dime.. No doubt on depth.
I took care to excavate the coin for my own benefit of learning the Equinox..
Found in Park 1 - Sensitivity 21- 50 Tones - No Discrimination- Recovery 4 and Iron Bias 0

Bryan



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Cutaplug, a question for you
Posted by: Tony N (Michigan)
Date: March 07, 2018 02:38PM
Cutaplug, you wrote:
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Something pretty cool happened today with recovery speed. I had a chance to get out for about an hour today at a permission and got a good signal up by the home’s front steps where there was a decent amount of trash. Running in recovery 4 I got a decent high tone that was repeatable but cutting out. Raised the recovery to 7 and it separated perfectly and sounded loud and clear in all directions. Lowered recovery to 2 and pretty much lost the signal completely, even when swinging very slowly. Dug it up and it was a wheatie at about 3-4 inches. The size/shape of the field under the coils changing due to recovery speed seemed hypothetical on the CTX/etrac but can be easily noticed on the 800.

That being the case that raising recovery on the 800 to "7" produces a cleaner signal, why not run it all the time at 7?
I have not received my 800 yet. But we still have snow on the ground here anyway.



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