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Running All Metal in Beach mode
Posted by: MassSaltH2O
Date: March 11, 2019 04:32AM
Hi. Does anyone have any info about running All metal in Beach mode? I always thot that All metal was all everything, except not having any particular mode. Thanks.

Re: Running All Metal in Beach mode
Posted by: BigTony
Date: March 11, 2019 06:45AM
I am not an expert so my opinion is beach mode has defaults like other modes you can select.
All metal in any mode means no descrimination and supposedly goes deeper.
I am not certain if your notched out items are open in all metal. I’ll have to read up on that or test in field next time I am out.

Tony NJ

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Re: Running All Metal in Beach mode
Posted by: Jason in Enid
Date: March 11, 2019 08:40AM
You need to re-read your user manual. Each mode changes HOW the detector operates. The only true "all metal" is in the prospecting modes, everything else is simple an accept/reject of VDI responses.

Re: Running All Metal in Beach mode
Posted by: Piedmontartifacts
Date: March 11, 2019 08:59AM
I’ve done around15 beach hunts and I turn the horseshoe on. It helps me know if a false high tone is iron. I’ve also found a lot of deep targets listening for a single blip tone that is not repeatable and locating with pinpointer, then after a scoop the detector hits it. Good luck!



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Re: Ditto to that
Posted by: BigTony
Date: March 11, 2019 11:39AM
Piedmont, I mostly do the same. When my old brain remembers to dig those fast not ones, it usually is a coin.
I too use the pinpointed and dig in that direction until no sound on pin pointer.

Tony NJ

Re: Running All Metal in Beach mode
Posted by: MassSaltH2O
Date: March 11, 2019 04:09PM
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Jason in Enid
You need to re-read your user manual. Each mode changes HOW the detector operates. The only true "all metal" is in the prospecting modes, everything else is simple an accept/reject of VDI responses.

Hi Jason. I read my manual all the time. I even take notes. But I haven't seen anything in the manual about running in all metal in Beach mode. In fact, I am confident that there is no mention of running All metal in Beach mode in the whole user manual.
Everything is simply an accept/reject of VDI responses?
I believe you, but what does this mean? Accept/reject what? Accept/reject all metals? I don't get it.

Re: Running All Metal in Beach mode
Posted by: MassSaltH2O
Date: March 11, 2019 04:14PM
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Piedmontartifacts
I’ve done around15 beach hunts and I turn the horseshoe on. It helps me know if a false high tone is iron. I’ve also found a lot of deep targets listening for a single blip tone that is not repeatable and locating with pinpointer, then after a scoop the detector hits it. Good luck!

Thanks Piedmont. I imagine you were in Beach mode?
This is the first time I have heard of running All metal in Beach mode. Btw, How can you tell if a false high tone is iron? Thanks. Good luck to you too.

Re: Running All Metal in Beach mode
Posted by: MassSaltH2O
Date: March 11, 2019 04:27PM
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BigTony
I am not an expert so my opinion is beach mode has defaults like other modes you can select.
All metal in any mode means no descrimination and supposedly goes deeper.
I am not certain if your notched out items are open in all metal. I’ll have to read up on that or test in field next time I am out.

Tony NJ

Hi Tony. Of course Beach mode has defaults like all the other modes do. What defaults are you referring to? I don't follow you.
If All metal means all metal in any mode, as you suggest, and I also believe this, then there can't be any discrimination, there can't be any notched out items (TDIs), and there can't be any accept/reject. All metal is metal. Right? So All metal in any mode should effectively disable any mode, I would imagine. All metals are metal in a park, just like metals in a field are all metals. Or so it would seem. This is why I asked the question. I guess we need to ask Minelab about this. Thanks.

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Re: Running All Metal in Beach mode
Posted by: Jason in Enid
Date: March 11, 2019 05:05PM
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MassSaltH2O

You need to re-read your user manual. Each mode changes HOW the detector operates. The only true "all metal" is in the prospecting modes, everything else is simple an accept/reject of VDI responses.

Hi Jason. I read my manual all the time. I even take notes. But I haven't seen anything in the manual about running in all metal in Beach mode. In fact, I am confident that there is no mention of running All metal in Beach mode in the whole user manual.
Everything is simply an accept/reject of VDI responses?
I believe you, but what does this mean? Accept/reject what? Accept/reject all metals? I don't get it.

The only TRUE all-metal mode on the EQX is prospecting. Every other mode its all pre-modulated and processed and interpreted. You can either allow or reject a portion of the scale a target falls on. Even if you say "accept all targets" you really aren't. You only get to hear the ones that meet the parameters of falling on the VDI scale.

Old school metal detectors , when you turned off discrimination, you heard everything. It didnt matter if it was a coin, a stack of coins, a boiler plate or a tank. If the detector could physically get a return signa, you heard it. Not now. Thats why a stack of silver dollars goes silent, or big iron goes silent. The machine can no longer interpret the signal so it just blanks. This isnt unique to the EQX though, lots of modern digital detector suffer the same problem. Its the downside to that razor edge of determining good coins and mix iron or in bad soil.

Re: Running All Metal in Beach mode
Posted by: MassSaltH2O
Date: March 11, 2019 05:39PM
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Jason in Enid


You need to re-read your user manual. Each mode changes HOW the detector operates. The only true "all metal" is in the prospecting modes, everything else is simple an accept/reject of VDI responses.

Hi Jason. I read my manual all the time. I even take notes. But I haven't seen anything in the manual about running in all metal in Beach mode. In fact, I am confident that there is no mention of running All metal in Beach mode in the whole user manual.
Everything is simply an accept/reject of VDI responses?
I believe you, but what does this mean? Accept/reject what? Accept/reject all metals? I don't get it.

The only TRUE all-metal mode on the EQX is prospecting. Every other mode its all pre-modulated and processed and interpreted. You can either allow or reject a portion of the scale a target falls on. Even if you say "accept all targets" you really aren't. You only get to hear the ones that meet the parameters of falling on the VDI scale.

Old school metal detectors , when you turned off discrimination, you heard everything. It didnt matter if it was a coin, a stack of coins, a boiler plate or a tank. If the detector could physically get a return signa, you heard it. Not now. Thats why a stack of silver dollars goes silent, or big iron goes silent. The machine can no longer interpret the signal so it just blanks. This isnt unique to the EQX though, lots of modern digital detector suffer the same problem. Its the downside to that razor edge of determining good coins and mix iron or in bad soil.

Wow! So All metal isn't really "all metal". I didn't know this. This is what was throwing me off. I was thinking, All metal means all metal, regardless of mode. I guess they should of called All metal "most metal". :blink:

Re: Running All Metal in Beach mode
Posted by: BigTony
Date: March 11, 2019 07:50PM
By defaults I meant factory presets.
Yeah, I would love Minelab to chime in on all metal.
I can’t get out to test - busy for a few days but loves reading your reply’s.

Tony NJ

Re: Running All Metal in Beach mode [don't do it]
Posted by: midalake
Date: March 11, 2019 09:21PM
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MassSaltH2O
Hi. Does anyone have any info about running All metal in Beach mode? I always thot that All metal was all everything, except not having any particular mode. Thanks.

Don't do it/ period! The all metal mode on my saltwater beach is WAY too chatty and gives WAY to many false signals. A BETTER way is to hunt in your normal disc modes and when in doubt switch to "all metal" to confirm. Your time will be well wasted chasing way too many signals, while not being able to concentrate on targets you need to hear.

Dave

Re: Running All Metal in Beach mode
Posted by: sube
Date: March 11, 2019 09:49PM
The only TRUE all-metal mode on the EQX is prospecting. Every other mode its all pre-modulated and processed and interpreted. You can either allow or reject a portion of the scale a target falls on. Even if you say "accept all targets" you really aren't. You only get to hear the ones that meet the parameters of falling on the VDI scale.

Referring to Jason's quote . If in prospect mode you still get VDI of all targets that's a # on the scale same as the other modes . Well that signal in prospect mode is still being processed . I always thought that all metal was the raw unprocessed signal .

Setting ground balance to 0 which minelab recommends for all modes ( how can that work) unless muti freakers use muti frequency to eliminate ground noise as a way of continually monitoring the ground same can be said of the CTX and other minelabs .

So does it have true all metal or is it a hybrid of sorts :confused: sube

Re: Running All Metal in Beach mode
Posted by: jmaclen
Date: March 11, 2019 11:05PM
Hi MassSaltH2O

You and I have already had this discussion on this forum. This is why I wish Minelab had not called the horseshoe button the "All Metal" button. To the best of my knowledge all the horseshoe button does as already stated by several on this topic is act as a very convenient shortcut between whatever preset mode you are using or have customized (for example default Beach 1) and the same mode (Beach 1) with no numerical segments discriminated so any target signal received throughout the entire target ID range from -9 to +40 will be audible and displayed as a number. That is all it does. It does not take you into another mode, it does not get you anymore depth, it just make it possible to hear any detectable target that is under the coil. So, you would get the same result if you went into default Beach 1, hit the settings button 6 times and the accept/reject button along with the plus button 9 times and accept all targets between -9 and -1. That would take awhile. That is what the horseshoe button is for and it does it instantaneously.

I am a part-time gold prospector. From my experience and from talking to some outstanding professional prospectors in the SW USA, what Sube is hinting at is correct. There is NO TRUE ALL METAL MODE on the Equinox 800, period. Gold 1 and Gold 2 are mixed hybrid modes. The only thing that even slightly resembles true all metal mode is the threshold tone in Gold 1 and Gold 2. It does more than just null on discriminated targets. It does give a good indication of changing ground noise and the stability or not of the current ground balance setting. It is not tied into the target tone itself however. They are separate which is different from true all metal mode where the threshold tone and the target tone are one in the same in the classic sense. Otherwise, the gold modes have way too many awesome features that take it far away from true all metal like; volume adjustment, sensitivity adjustment, accept/reject discrimination, actual normalized VDI numbers, target tone adjustment, threshold tone adjustment, iron bias adjustment, recovery speed adjustment, automatic ground balance tracking, the amazing horseshoe button feature, depth meter, pinpointer!!!! and most importantly simultaneous multi frequency operation. There is also something really incredible happening in the -9 to -5 range when it comes to hot rocks. You just don't hear them if you disc out those numbers which makes gold prospecting a dream with a VLF detector.


Jeff



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Re: Running All Metal in Beach mode
Posted by: jmaclen
Date: March 11, 2019 11:51PM
Oh, I forgot about noise cancelling which is huge in prospecting.

Jeff

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