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DFW City Parks Friendly to Metal Detecting?
Posted by: Gnobodyuknow
Date: August 15, 2018 09:21AM
Hello All,

I am brand new to metal detecting and I'm still trying to find my way to good ground for detecting. I have done a little research and know that Texas State Parks are a NO for metal detecting, at least as far as I can find. I have found that Army Corp of Engineers Parks are OK but only in the areas they designate. City parks though, depending on the city, seem to be good ground for detecting. Would anyone here be able to tell me if this is true? I have found a nice little park with an older lake that I would like to hit on my lunch time. I can't find much on the Fort Worth Parks site about metal detecting. Thank you.

Re: DFW City Parks Friendly to Metal Detecting?
Posted by: Tom_in_CA
Date: August 15, 2018 09:49AM
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Gnobodyuknow
.... I have found a nice little park with an older lake that I would like to hit on my lunch time. I can't find much on the Fort Worth Parks site about metal detecting. Thank you.

G-nobody-u-know: Personally speaking, when I roll into any town, when it comes to routine run-of-mill city parks, .... I just go. Unless I see a sign saying "no metal detectors", or unless it's an obvious historic sensitive monument, I just go.

Very few cities have ever dreamed up a municipal "no detecting in city parks" rule. But ... sure ... if someone wanted to worry long enough and hard enough, I suppose it *is* possible that such a rule exists, on the books, down at city hall. Yet isn't on a sign at the park. Very very rare that this is the case. But if you are skittish and want to make sure, then the method is not to go asking a desk clerk at city hall: "Hi, can I metal detect ?". Lest you bump into the "safe answer" routine, where someone just says "no". Because perhaps they envision geeks with shovels.

Instead the way is: Look it up for yourself. As I say, I think this is "over-thinking it". But if you are skittish, you look it up for yourself. No city's laws, codes, charter, etc... is secret. If there is such a rule or law, it must exist SOMEWHERE in print, for public viewing. And in today's 'puterized world, it's getting to where even the smallest cities have their ordinances, codes, laws, etc.... on-line. But if not, it exists somewhere, in binder form, at city hall.

But it sounds like you've already looked things up. Because you say: "I can't find much on the Fort Worth Parks site about metal detecting.... " Ok then, so what's the problem ? If it's silent on the subject (says nothing about md'ing, as you acknowledge), then where's the confusion ? If it's not prohibited, then presto, it's not prohibited. You don't need express allowances in order to be able to do something (fly frisbees, etc...). Eg.: you're not going to find laws or signs that say "metal detecting allowed here".

Naturally, this isn't to say that someone couldn't still gripe on OTHER grounds. Ie.: that they think you're about to leave holes. And could try to say that this is covered under "alter and deface" boiler plate language. Ok, fine, go at lower traffic times and avoid such lookie lou's. Don't do highly manicured turf when busy-bodies are present. Go out and look for that wedding ring your wife lost there last week. Don't over-think it.

Re: DFW City Parks Friendly to Metal Detecting?
Posted by: Gnobodyuknow
Date: August 15, 2018 10:02AM
Awesome, thank you for the feed back. This is kind of what I was thinking but wanted a more experienced detectors take on it. Thank you again!

Re: DFW City Parks Friendly to Metal Detecting?
Posted by: Tom_in_CA
Date: August 15, 2018 11:52AM
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Gnobodyuknow
Awesome, thank you for the feed back. This is kind of what I was thinking but wanted a more experienced detectors take on it. Thank you again!

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Re: DFW City Parks Friendly to Metal Detecting?
Posted by: Architex
Date: August 15, 2018 12:28PM
I used to live in Dallas and hunted the living **** out of them. Pretty good hunting too. But I was last there 12 years ago so things may have changed. Anyway, Tom's advice is good. Also, check detecting clubs, Dallas had at least two good ones and I'm sure FW has some as well.



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Re: DFW City Parks Friendly to Metal Detecting?
Posted by: Gnobodyuknow
Date: August 15, 2018 12:52PM
Lol, I will be sure to get that 30% in the mail after every hunt Tom.

Thank you Architex. I have been checking into joining a club and the Cowtown Treasure Hunters Clubs looks like a good one. They seem active and much closer to where I live.

Re: DFW City Parks Friendly to Metal Detecting?
Posted by: D&P-OR
Date: August 15, 2018 01:12PM
Don't take a picture of your junk (or even your finds).:smile: No charge for this one!:wink:

Re: DFW City Parks Friendly to Metal Detecting?
Posted by: Gnobodyuknow
Date: August 15, 2018 01:22PM
Lol, I'll try to save those for my wife but thank you for the tip D&P-OR. :lol:

Re: DFW City Parks Friendly to Metal Detecting?
Posted by: 5900_XL-1
Date: August 15, 2018 01:23PM
I and a buddy was ran off in a Dallas park fairly recently. The cop was shown a Lesche digger. He said, "I let you use that and next thing you'll bring a backhoe." He took both of out personal info, said it was just a warning this time, but a citation would be next time. He elaborated and stated that all Dallas county parks did not permit any digging of any kind.

I took him serious being he had all of my personal information. I think he was wrong, but I've left Dallas parks all alone since.

Re: DFW City Parks Friendly to Metal Detecting?
Posted by: Gnobodyuknow
Date: August 15, 2018 01:36PM
Thank you 5900_XL-1! I will be sure to leave those parks alone unless I can find something in writing I can print to take with me.

Re: DFW City Parks Friendly to Metal Detecting?
Posted by: Tom_in_CA
Date: August 15, 2018 02:14PM
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5900_XL-1
.... He elaborated and stated that all Dallas county parks did not permit any digging of any kind.....

Hey 5900-xl-1 : I got news for you: There's not a park in the entire USA, on any level (city, county, state, or federal) that "permits digging". That would/could fall under prohibitions of "alter" , "deface" , "molest", "damage", etc... Heck, it might even use the explicit word "dig". But I guarantee you: There's not a speck of public land (parks, beach, forests, deserts, etc...) in the entire USA, that .... what the cop told you .... couldn't be invoked.

Ok then, what are we to conclude ? That therefore we can't md on any public land, right ? After all, we "dig" to get to our targets, right ?

Yet .... oddly ... the pages of md'ing forum show & tell sections are FILLED with persons who (gasp) got their rings or coins on public land. Presumably digging to get them. Are all of them just lawless miscreants ? Of course not.

Here's the gig : If you cover your spot, and leave no trace, then presto: You have not alterED, defaceED, or molestED anything. Now have you ? Yes I agree that if the evil word "dig" is used, that becomes more problematic. But I propose that if you can accept the semantics of alter vs alterED, as being nothing more than present vs past tense, then SO TOO does the same logic apply to dig vs dug. The only difference is, that we don't say diggED.

The OBVIOUS intention of such verbiage is the end result. And if you leave no trace, then .... to me ... that's fulfilled. Does that mean every last lookie-lou will agree with those semantics ? Of course not. But no, I do not construe any passing "scram" by a busy-body, to constitute gospel law. Even if coming from a cop, or duly-appointed gardener, etc.... For all you know that cop was only responding to a complaint from someone who thought you were a pervert in the park. And ... once he's there ... he must justify his call out. Or a cop having a bad hair day, etc....

In my 40+ yrs. of this I have had several such scrams or stink-eyes. And ... years later ... you can still hunt those locations till you're blue in the face, and no one cares.

Does this mean to defy an authority ? Of course not. Give lip service and move on for that day. And sure, avoid that one individual in the future. But unless there's a specific true rule that said "no md'ing", then no: I do not construe each/any such incident to constitute gospel law.

Re: DFW City Parks Friendly to Metal Detecting?
Posted by: 5900_XL-1
Date: August 15, 2018 02:18PM
Like I said, I think the cop was incorrect that day. In all the years I hunted Dallas and never had an encounter, one Barney Fife on a power trip put us on a blacklist. If I'd only heard this from somebody and never been given a "so-called warning" and my personal info taken down...I'd still hunt until I actually got a first warning. I know many people who hit Dallas and will continue, and they may never get dinged. Cops used to cruise past me in past years in Dallas Parks and not even slow down. This cop was tense! Had his hand on his gun and everything, over an old retired guy enjoying what his tax dollars have helped pay for.

These types exist in every path of life.

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Re: DFW City Parks Friendly to Metal Detecting?
Posted by: Tom Slick
Date: August 15, 2018 08:44PM
There is a good club in both Dallas and Ft Worth. Join one of those clubs, meet others, learn where and how to use your detector. Enjoy the club monthly meetings, monthly outings and annual competition hunts. I belonged to both clubs when I lived there, and they're a good bunch of folks.



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"warnings" and "info. taken"...
Posted by: Tom_in_CA
Date: August 15, 2018 09:07PM
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5900_XL-1
..... put us on a blacklist. If I'd only heard this from somebody and never been given a "so-called warning" and my personal info taken down...I'd still hunt .....

5900-xl-1 : I've had occasions where my personal info. was jotted down. Or my plates on my truck run, etc.... And ... sure .... I give lip service at the time. But no ... it doesn't mean that location is a no-no from then-on-out.

Unless someone were defiant, and out there a few days later, and bumped into the exact same cop .... I don't think they do anything with that "personal info. taken down". Probably just a scare tactic. I've had locations where that happened. And ... sure ...we give that place a "rest". But assuming there's no specific true rule saying "no md'ing" (as appears to be the case in your Dallas situation), then I have no fear in returning.

It's on a case-by-case basis, of course. But in general, no.... a "scram" doesn't constitute gospel law from then-on-out (unless a true law or rule existed). Even if that "scram" were accompanied by some sort of personal info. being taken. But I realize this is to each person's caution level and risk assessment.



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Re: DFW City Parks Friendly to Metal Detecting?
Posted by: Mkus
Date: August 16, 2018 11:35AM
Do like I do go at night no one sees you I hunt "offseason" beach homes in the winter no one cares then and theres lots of silver to be had around those old cottages!
I had a town green I was hunting in my home state and two local cops from that town drove out onto the green!
I thought oh crap theyre going to arrest us!
Nope one guy Frencie even gave me some spots to go try!
Then same park a weekend later a black officer shows up the last two were white but anyway he says show me your IDS I said no whats the problem?
He said we had to cease and stop hunting I said why your coworkers said we were fine hunting here?
I refused to give my ID to him because I was not being arrested I said is this a racial thing? don't you have some more important work to do?
He left then we left but I keep going there and have not had a problem since .
So you never know from one cop to another..

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