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Canada got it right
Posted by: Dancer
Date: March 15, 2019 06:38AM
Getting rid of their pennies. Just came back from a few months detecting on the Gulf. Brought home gangs of them. 3/4 of them scrap, beyond any value.
Shot & riddled, unsalvageable. You wonder why we continue to mint such an embarrassment. Rank them right along the tabs.

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Re: Canada got it right
Posted by: REVIER
Date: March 15, 2019 09:25AM
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Dancer
Getting rid of their pennies. Just came back from a few months detecting on the Gulf. Brought home gangs of them. 3/4 of them scrap, beyond any value.
Shot & riddled, unsalvageable. You wonder why we continue to mint such an embarrassment. Rank them right along the tabs.

Getting rid of one cent coins...good.
Making dimes out of nickel for 30 years, switching dimes to steel and making bi-metal steel cored coins...NOT good.

I would rather deal with bothersome American cents and normal coin signals than less cents and schizophrenic coins.



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Re: Canada got it right
Posted by: LTimedigger
Date: March 15, 2019 12:21PM
I saw one poster comment how MD'er will spend a lot of time and effort to find a silver dime thats worth a dollar. Well I think thats because we intuitively know that dime is REAL money and you've still made a 1000 percent return and it probably looks like it just left the mint even if it may be a 100 years old. We make pennies out of zinc because the dollar has been so devalued against the price of copper that it cost more to make a copper penny than what its worth. I will still dig a zinc penny in a park because dirt won't fry them as quickly as sand and I can still roll them and turn them in. Still have to discard some though. On a beach would notch where they come in not worth the effort. HH

Re: Canada got it right
Posted by: Dancer
Date: March 15, 2019 02:54PM
I haven't come across any of the Canadian steel coins yet. The pennies aren't rear though. Loonies & Tunies rare . Surprisingly just dug my first English 50 Pence. Getting Eastern Europe , mid east coins more and more. Here in the rust belt of the U S A.

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Re: Canada got it right
Posted by: still looking 52
Date: March 15, 2019 04:55PM
I've heard rumors that we're going to stop minting pennies altogether here in the USA and just round up or down to the nearest nickel value when making purchases. That makes CENTS to me.

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Re: Canada got it right
Posted by: MarkCZ
Date: March 15, 2019 10:40PM
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still looking 52
I've heard rumors that we're going to stop minting pennies altogether here in the USA and just round up or down to the nearest nickel value when making purchases. That makes CENTS to me.

There has been several bills in fairly recent times that proposed eliminating the US one cent coin. Now in one bill the proposal was a round up to the next five cent for CASH purchases, but the items would
remain marked at the lower value. The price wouldn't round up if some form of electronic payment was used, meaning using cash everything would cost you more money.
The idea of that bill was two fold,
1- it would get the penny out of circulation
2- work towards a NO CASH society, NO CASH MONEY IN USE AT ALL!!!! only digits in an account.
But we know where that leads to, identity theft, and that leads to electronic chip implants. And MOST of all the current scanners in use today is already capable of reading such chips.
Implanted pet chips are becoming a big thing and they work so well. Society is being groomed to except the chip implants, they can find your pet ANYWHERE on the planet if it has a chip!
Guess what, they can do the same thing if your child has a chip??? every bit of information of EVERY transaction would be stored in the chip!!!!!! The government (certain branches of it) NEEDS
this information available to them whenever they need it, or want it. How wonderful that is to know with our so trusted government.

Mark



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/15/2019 10:48PM by MarkCZ.

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Re: Canada got it right
Posted by: dfmike
Date: March 16, 2019 10:23AM
I agree with REVIER that eliminating our Canadian pennies was a great thing. I'm still finding a lot of them but they are getting scarce as the years go by and hunters pluck them out.

I really like finding US coins around here because they are so easy to identify compared to our crap bi-metal nickels, dimes and quarters. He mentioned "schizophrenic" to describe our coins. It's a good word to describe how our detectors respond to our coins. I mean the visual ID is all over the place on these things. There are ways to know that we are dealing with a steel core coin but it's never full proof and I'm sure I've been missing a lot in thinking I would be digging junk. Ground conditions and rust only make matters worse.

This is an example of some recent coins I found and they were all dug in the same area. I picked the worse ones as an example but they represent about a third of my recent coin finds. None of these were in the ground for very long. If they look like this after only a few years, you can imagine what they will look like after 25 years underground. All that will remain is a rusty disk. No wonder I like finding silver so much.



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Re: Canada got it right
Posted by: Dancer
Date: March 16, 2019 06:52PM
Df those are some nasty looking coins. Are you able to still use them? Or trade for new ones. That's about what our newer dug pennies come out like.

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Re: Canada got it right
Posted by: dfmike
Date: March 17, 2019 04:41PM
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Dancer
Df those are some nasty looking coins. Are you able to still use them? Or trade for new ones. That's about what our newer dug pennies come out like.

They can't be used. Nobody will take them and even if I managed to sand them off, they would be completely defaced. I don't know if coin machines would take them as we don't have them in this province.You would think the nickel plating would offer some kind of protection but it doesn't. In air they will last a long time but once in the ground, they deteriorate at lightning speed.



Active detectors and accessories: Fisher F19 LTD on Mars universal shaft, F19 on original shaft, Nokta Fors CoRe, Whites MX7, Makro and Nokta pointers. Killer B's and Jolly Rogers headphones and assorted coils.
Previous detectors in order of acquisition: Bounty Hunter Discovery, Fisher F44, Fisher F5, Omega 8000 V6, Minelab X-Terra 705

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Re: Canada got it right
Posted by: MarkCZ
Date: March 17, 2019 05:06PM
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dfmike
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Dancer
Df those are some nasty looking coins. Are you able to still use them? Or trade for new ones. That's about what our newer dug pennies come out like.

They can't be used. Nobody will take them and even if I managed to sand them off, they would be completely defaced. I don't know if coin machines would take them as we don't have them in this province.You would think the nickel plating would offer some kind of protection but it doesn't. In air they will last a long time but once in the ground, they deteriorate at lightning speed.

Our zinc's seem to almost explode, the zinc core with only sprayed on copper jackets don't have any resistance to corrosion once they make it to the ground.
If you get pretty much new ones out of change to put into a penny collection you'ed do good to bath them first in distilled water and a few drops of Dawn to
get the finger prints off from them or they corrode in the coin flip holders.

Mark

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Re: Canada got it right
Posted by: John-Edmonton
Date: March 17, 2019 10:10PM
Soak those in vinegar and most of the rust will dissolve, then tumble them.

Re: Canada got it right
Posted by: Dancer
Date: March 18, 2019 04:42AM
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John-Edmonton
Soak those in vinegar and most of the rust will dissolve, then tumble them.

Worth a try, John.

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Re: Canada got it right
Posted by: Sven
Date: March 18, 2019 05:09AM
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Dancer
Df those are some nasty looking coins. Are you able to still use them? Or trade for new ones. That's about what our newer dug pennies come out like.

They can't be used. Nobody will take them and even if I managed to sand them off, they would be completely defaced. I don't know if coin machines would take them as we don't have them in this province.You would think the nickel plating would offer some kind of protection but it doesn't. In air they will last a long time but once in the ground, they deteriorate at lightning speed.

Scrape the rust off, they are usable in cash transaction purchases, rool um up for the bank, Coinstar machines and vending machines.
I generally scrape any coins like that and throw them all in a tumble with other clad coins for an hour.
I actually find lots of the Can. clad in the ground down to 5-6" that still do not have any rust, not a problem here in London Ontario-Canada as the soils you have.



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Re: Canada got it right
Posted by: dfmike
Date: March 20, 2019 09:57AM
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Scrape the rust off, they are usable in cash transaction purchases, rool um up for the bank, Coinstar machines and vending machines.
I generally scrape any coins like that and throw them all in a tumble with other clad coins for an hour.
I actually find lots of the Can. clad in the ground down to 5-6" that still do not have any rust, not a problem here in London Ontario-Canada as the soils you have.

We don't have coin stars. The rust can't just be scraped by hand (not the ones shown here). Electric tools will do it but not without seriously damaging the coins even more. I will try John's idea of soaking them in vinegar and a then the tumbler (need to get one first).

Usually the clad I get that dates within the last 10 years looks better than this but I've been surprised by a few that were very recent and full of rust "bubbles". I suspect this particular area has been chemically fertilized at some point.



Active detectors and accessories: Fisher F19 LTD on Mars universal shaft, F19 on original shaft, Nokta Fors CoRe, Whites MX7, Makro and Nokta pointers. Killer B's and Jolly Rogers headphones and assorted coils.
Previous detectors in order of acquisition: Bounty Hunter Discovery, Fisher F44, Fisher F5, Omega 8000 V6, Minelab X-Terra 705

Re: Canada got it right
Posted by: kittlitz
Date: March 20, 2019 12:40PM
Soaking in vinegar definitely helps, quite often enough so that you won't feel embarrassed spending the coins. If not, it'll get them to the point where they can be rolled up and taken to the bank, at least.

-Ken

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