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Re: Safari going back to the shop tomorrow!
Posted by: mpostma
Date: August 26, 2009 04:22PM
Good Luck Monty!

Let us know how you make out! As you know when I added the procoil to the Quattro I had a heck of a time with it at first.
Maybe you could find a Slimline or a small coil to get started with?

Best of Luck,
Mark

Re: Safari going back to the shop tomorrow!
Posted by: Onus
Date: August 28, 2009 02:36PM
I got the Safari back day before yesterday and a note came back with it that I couldn't read. I think it said something about the depth checking OK? I have read Andy's book about 5 times at least and selected parts even more. And I have cross referenced it with the owner's manual more times than I can count. I have done air tests dozens of times, and inground test almost as much and also on top of the ground tests. I have run the sensitivity up and down and tried it a dozen different ways and I have tried it in all the preprogramed modes and a few of my own thrown in just for kicks. I have noise cancelled it every time out and every time I change any part of the program and any time I move from one area to another. I have set the trash density on both high and low and tried it both ways. I have listened to the various tones very carefully and can recognize the difference between a dime and a quarter and a penny and I know the numerical scales back and forth as well as the depth indicator and the pinpoint is dead center. I have a smaller 8" coil and have tried it in areas that have heavy trash concentrations and have tried swinging both coils fast and slow and somewhere in between. I have taken it to areas that I knew had a lot of coins, mostly pennies and after digging the first few was able to nail them with frequency. I have a buried coin garden that ranges from pennies to silver dollars and from 4" to nearly a foot and have practiced on it (but there is no trash nearby). That's easy. But when I hit the field everything I have observed and learned under controlled circumstances goes right out the window. For instance.....I went to a supposidly unhunted place where some houses were hauled off and relocated. A couple of these houses were right at a hundred years old. I spent about an hour and a half with my Safari (since it came back) and here's what I found. The sound of what I recall as a dime, high pitched twitter sounding signal with a 37 numerical value in the silver range, showing coin. It was a rusted up steel steel nut about an inch square...surely the halo effect? I got two targets at about 9", high tone, showing 38, silver range, coin. Dug it up at about 9 1/2" and it was a squished soda can. Next target, same thing. Got a high pitched tone, 35, silver range, coin. Dug it up at nearly a foot and it was a 1989 penny! Not close to what I was expecting on any of the targets. Got one more good sounding target, 36, sounded like a quarter, showing coin, silver, was an aluminum bottle cap at 6". In this same area last week with another brand less expensive detector with fewer optioins, I dug a 1963 silver quarter and a 1923 wheat penny, both at about 6". Go figure! Anyway, I'm sticking with this Safari from now until I learn to read it like a book even if it takes me a year. I think I have an excellent tool here but just can't communicate with it. :ranting: Onus

Re: Safari going back to the shop tomorrow!
Posted by: ronaldj2
Date: August 28, 2009 06:20PM
Hi Onus, And God Bless you for sticking it out. Is there anyone else close to you who has a Safari who you can go along with, maybe let them try using your machine to see what they think. It can definately get you flustered when what is supposed to be a great machine is becoming a thorn in the flesh. I really hope you find your groove with this machine, mine has treated me well. Hang in there. and no your not crazy !! It's just one of those things. Ron

Re: Safari going back to the shop tomorrow!
Posted by: The Fog
Date: August 28, 2009 09:50PM
What you report is not unusual, cans will scream in at 38, target is just too big for the machinie to ignore. Dimes always ring in at 37 for me, but some pennies will ring in at 37 as well. Most pennies for me come in at 36, but some injuns and wheats come in at 35. Quarters whether seated, barber, pre-65 or new clad ring at 38 for me consistently. Some bottlecaps pop in between 34-36 unfortunately. All my silver coins have come in between 37 and 38, I haven't found any below or above these #'s. Pennies can be tricky as I have had them come in between 34 and 37. Nuts and bolts pop in at about 37 for me as well, so it seems your machine runs very similar to mine. The cans suck but I finid it easy enough to get around as I can raise the coil about a foot off the ground and if It's still screaming 37/38 I know it's probably a can. The old rusty square nails always drive me nuts as they come in deep and showing 37 or 38.... but the signal is usually a bit squirrely, I ususally know its a nail but how can you not dig a 37 or 38 thats 8 inches deep? What irritates me is musket balls, yeah they are fun to find and all but for some reason they ring in at 36 consistently which isn't near the lead range on the display. Some targets just don't jive with the display whether it be the depth or the target ID, but I guess that's just the nature of detecting. Stick it out brother!

Re: Safari going back to the shop tomorrow!
Posted by: Onus
Date: August 31, 2009 12:52PM
Since I got my Safari back I have spent hours out in my coin patch just swinging and listening. I have just now been able to communicate with it a little. I easily found all my coins, deep and other wise, I even found some junque that I didn't know was there and I called it before I dug it up just to see. Gosh it's a lot more fun when me and the detector are speaking the same language! Cant wait to get back out to my hunting spot I have been hitting ow and then. It's been taunting me but now I think I can at last kick its butt! Really busy week coming up but I may sneak a hunt in and post if I get a chance at all . Onus

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Re: Safari going back to the shop tomorrow!
Posted by: TomH
Date: August 31, 2009 07:01PM
Onus,

Nice to hear that your machine is starting to make sense. It can be really frustrating when you can't understand what your machine is saying.

I'm starting to believe that, if anything, this machine is too sensitive. I am finding the smallest pieces of non-ferrous metal ever and digging more holes than ever. Yesterday I went out into a local alfalfa field that has produced some good relics in the past and ended up using the WOT coil for most of the dig. Larger pieces of iron sounded just like bullets and, as always, bent nails did as well. I finally turned the sensitivity down to 12/13, got rid of the extra signals but still kept getting good tones off bad targets. The alfalfa was very wet, and my coil (and my boots) was constantly dripping water. The ground was damp but not too damp so the signals should have been cleaner. Everybody in the group (2 MXTs, 1 F75, 1 XLT) ended up saying the same thing, bad targets sounded great.

Dragging the 15" WOT through 8 inch alfalfa was like using an ancient scythe! By the end of the day my shoulder was throbbing and my right arm was four inches longer than my left. I netted one, count em one, gimlet handle and called it a day.

TomH



Some of my Collection of American Civil War bullets and cartridges
http://www.baymediapro.com/collection/index.asp

Re: Safari going back to the shop tomorrow!
Posted by: ronaldj2
Date: August 31, 2009 07:07PM
Hey Onus glad to read that the language barrier is finally being broken down. Now you should be able to get in some real detecting. Good Luck and Happy Hunting. Ron

Re: Tom have you tried Auto, Fast, and ferrious with 40 notched out. That should help some. :D: :D:N/T
Posted by: Tinfoil
Date: August 31, 2009 07:48PM

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Re: Tom have you tried Auto, Fast, and ferrious with 40 notched out. That should help some. :D: :D:
Posted by: TomH
Date: August 31, 2009 09:14PM
Tinfoil,

I have been trying to get used to balancing the machine with manual sensitivity settings. I have seen it expressed in several threads that manual settings get better depth than auto so I have been playing with that. I did go back to Auto for a while and it got better but I was really looking to get used to the Manual settings so I went back after a short time.

I don't know what you are suggesting I set to "Fast". Am I missing something?

Using ferrous tones, modified Relic mode with -10 to -7 and +40 notched out.

I have seen several examples where a curved rusted iron nail will produce a near perfect bullet tone with a 32/33 reading but yesterday seemed much worse than normal.

Thanks,
TomH



Some of my Collection of American Civil War bullets and cartridges
http://www.baymediapro.com/collection/index.asp

Re: Sorry Trash Densety at high on the Safari. I run Fast on on my SE:D: :D:
Posted by: Tinfoil
Date: August 31, 2009 10:50PM
Relic Ferrious -10 to-7 and 40 notched out is Great. I have a 9.5" dime on edge. A very hard target to hit with alot of machines. If I run auto in any of my modes I can hit that dime nice and clean with a high tone with depth to spare. Auto is the same as running 16 manual but, the audio is much smoother and the tones are crisper and not ragged and handles the trash and iron better since you are in high trash density. The tone really stands out in the ferrious modes. You do have a ferrious and a conduct mode in each of your 4 modes don't you?????? That makes a total of 8 different modes. You can modify any of those cross saved (4) modes by notching out any numbers you want and saving them. It is real nice when you can switch between Conduct and ferrious in the same mode with just a push of a button in the same mode. 8 different modes with a push of a button. None of the explorers will do that You have to Cross save to each Mode to get that function though. I don't run manual very much anymore with the Safari or SE. I tried it many times on the Safari and on deep targets and I don't seem to get much more depth if any. The tones are not as good when I am running the higher manual sensitivity either. I get a whole lot more falsing on the iron targets that makes them sound like a good target when they are iron. In auto I can pull good targets out of the trash and iron better. Like when I run my Se in simi auto 26. I have run my SE everyway I can run it and I can't get my deep dime to hit it with as stable of a number and a cripness like I can with my Safari. I have had all the explorers except the E-Track. I just like the Safari. It is just as fast as my SE. Hope this helped a little. I was thinking SE when I should have been thinking Safari. That is just old age setting in :rofl: You know, CRS a lot of the time. Hope this helps. HH Later, jerry aka Tinfoil

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Thanks for the info
Posted by: TomH
Date: September 01, 2009 08:45AM
Jerry,

Thanks for the info, it really helps.

I use the ferrous tones because I prefer the lower tones for iron objects. I rarely use the TID except to verify what I am hearing so there is less confusion when the iron objects have unique tones instead of duplicating some of the higher tones.

So, is it your contention that the Auto mode will not appreciably reduce depth? Because of the fact that most of the locations that I hunt have been vaccuumed over heavily since the beginning of time (if you accept the beginning of time being 1 AM - Ante Metrotech) depth is an issue, but I am mostly looking for relics, not coins, so my potential targets are geneally larger than coins. One of my few complaints with the Safari is the fact that the display does not tell you the setting that the Auto mode has chosen for that particular ground. I would love to see what the machine feels is optimal, then tweak it up a notch or two for giggles. Another factor is that I usually find myself in heavily mineralized soil and was under the impression, hopefully false, that the mineralization would force the machine to run a conservative auto sens, therefore costing me targets. Is that not the case?

Again, thanks for the info. We are gearing up for an October three-day hunt in VA, in what is generally called the "World's worst soil" so any little tweaks that would help with machine performance is greatly appreciated.

Tom Henrique



Some of my Collection of American Civil War bullets and cartridges
http://www.baymediapro.com/collection/index.asp

Re: Safari going back to the shop tomorrow!
Posted by: Safari***Ohio
Date: September 01, 2009 08:20PM
Hi ONUS, I'll let you know about my limited experience with my Safari - had it about 5 weeks now and spent about 25 hrs. in the field with it so far - my total time in the field with all types of detectors is only about 50 hrs. total. I've also Read Andy's Quattro book a few times and I plan on reading over and over till it all finally sinks in !

I'm the new guy here - just letting you know my experiences with my new Safari. I'm getting the same numbers on coins and have dug the same trash items that showed up as good numbers as - "TheFog" - posted above. If I didn't know any better I would have thought that his posting came out of my note book ! I believe that the Safari is a fantastic detector - I completely understood before I ordered the Safari - that I was in for a long learning curve. The first two weeks I had the Safari I dug enough large iron to build my own U-Boat ! Now I make sure I cross the target from two or three different directions - and I only dig the repeaters ( a GREAT tip that I got from this forum ) if they don't stay on the number when I cross them - I just don't dig. I'm lucky because I have six Civil War era foundations on or near our farm and I can go back and try different search modes any time I want. I'm using Andy's "Cherry Picking" coin program right now ( 14 / 15 ) and (32-33-34-35-36-37-38 ) . I know I'm missing some good stuff but I did get three large cents last ten days - ( 1846 / 1848 / 1849 ) - all three of these came in as solid 38's from all directions. Also from what I've read so far - I think I'm going to try cross saving and running in Ferrous soon. I just wanted to let you know that I think we're all in the same boat and from what I've read so far in the Explorer and E-Trac forums ... so are they !

Again, many thanks to all of the member's of this forum for your great posting's, photo's and video's - keep them coming !
Good Hunting ! - Mark

Re: Safari going back to the shop tomorrow!
Posted by: The Fog
Date: September 01, 2009 10:54PM
I use the same cherry picking settings Mark, I find these settings optimal for me as I primarily hope to find buttons, buckles, coins etc, and those settings cover all of it. I especially like the safari for pulling nickels, which almost always ring at 14. I keep my sensitivity at 15. If the area isn't trashy at all I will go to 18 but you get much more chatting at 18. I know it's redundant to say because I've said it before, but if the signal and #'s aren't steady I don't dig... UNLESS there are very few targets in the area, and when this is the case those unsteady fleeting signals I've dug are almost ALWAYS garbagio. The machine will emit fleeting chirps/beeps on almost every swing folks, but thats just because it's so sensitive. When I get a quick chirp I swing over it again briefly, if it's not a good repeater with a consistent tone and ID# move on. there's no mistaking a good signal, the trick for me was to learn what to ignore. I found this machine very frustrating to use in the auto mode and have never used it again. HH.

Re: Safari going back to the shop tomorrow!
Posted by: Onus
Date: September 06, 2009 04:11PM
Hey fog, I run on ferrous cross saved onto the coin icon with 40 discriminated out. Rusted iron might sing out like a silver coin, but look at the numbers. It will sound good but be showing something like -7 to 13 and then you know it's a false silver signal. Works 90% of the time for me. Onus

Re: Safari going back to the shop tomorrow!
Posted by: The Fog
Date: September 06, 2009 08:51PM
Thanks Onus I'll give that a try. having any better luck with the safari?

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