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COMING SOON for the MX Sport and MX-7 .... a 6½ Inch Concentric coil! :thumbup:
Posted by: Monte
Date: December 11, 2017 10:18AM
Some quick facts:

White's has been using a 6½ Inch diameter Concentric search coil for years on all the other favorite model lines. I always refer to search coils by their physical size and have ignored incorrect labeling, or marketing ideas manufacturer's try that, to me, just weren't very good ideas in the first place. One example is the Tesoro 6" Concentric coil which they call a 5.75, but it isn't, it is a 6" diameter coil, but they got their odd-number marketing ideas from White's, I'm sure.

White's came out with their 6½" measured search coil for the 6.59 kHz series and labeled it the 600 Blue Max. It used a white-colored housing. Then they changed the name for that coil to the 5.3 Black Max using the same housing but in black. For reasons the decal showed the name change of that same coil to 5.3 Bullseye, still in the black housing for the latter series of 6.59 kHz models (Classic ID, IDX Pro, 5900 Di Pro SL, XLT, 6000 Pro XL, etc.) and also the labeled 5.3 Eclipse coil for the higher-frequency series (the DFX, MXT, M6, MXT Pro/All-Pro, VX3, V3i and MX-5).

All these Concentric search coils had two things in common:

One: They all measured 6½ Inches in diameter.
Two: They all worked exceptionally well for many applications.

No, the search coils do not measure 5.3" and that caused a lot of average Hobbyists to never give them a try because, simply by the new name, many figured the coil was too small for their wants, suggesting it was just a little over 5" wide. For decades of Internet Forum and PM or e-mail activity, I have gladly described all of these search coils by their physical measured diameter of 6½ Inches .... and I will continue to. I just hope White's will be aware of how they label their new search coil that will be announced soon for the new MX Sport and MX-7 models.

Anyway, to fast forward this post to the good news we have to end 2017, White's will be bringing out a 6½ Inch Concentric search coil soon for these two models. :clapping:

With new the MX-7 they would be bringing the MX Sport electronic package to a land-based model, and I was eager to want to buy one. When I saw the advance announcement Tom B. gave in a video, I was even more pleased because I've become a bit tired of way too many all-black detectors. Yes, I have enjoyed the XLT, Classic series, XL Pro, MXT series and M6, but just wore tired of their black housings, and black search rod set. Kind of blah for me after a while, and some of my other brand in my Regular-Use Detector Team also came in 'black' attire also.

For decades I have liked to be a little 'unique' or 'creative' in some way with my detectors so that they stood out a little 'different' from comparable models on the market. Swapped compatible search rods of a different color, or used a compatible search col from a different manufacturer, for example. I have a real passion for this great outdoor sport so I liked being a little 'unique' for the rest of the folks just to draw attention to what I was using and get into discussions about detectors and detecting, and the model that was in-my-hand.

You will see my 'custom' approach in my current detector group as with my two Nokta FORS CoRe models I had the black upper and middle rods stripped and powder-coated an 'Edge Red' color, and my two FORS Relic models have their two metal rods stripped and powder-coated an 'Edge Blue' color, making all of these models rather striking and they draw attention and questions. At first glance, the new orange color White's chose for the MX-7, which Tom B. told me is called 'Bengal Orange', is one that is quite appealing to me. I almost had some models powder-coated almost exactly this color and I'm glad I didn't because now the 'Bengal Orange' units in my personal arsenal will boldly let the White's MX-7 stand out.

Well, in this case White's unknowingly helped me out even more. :) Not only did I drive over to White's a couple of weeks ago to buy this new and versatile 'BO Seven' (Bengal Orange MX-7), and a pair of replacement Pro Star headphones for what was stolen in October, but I also bought the 7" Detech Double-D search coil. To be quite honest, I don't thin a detector manufacturer should be stocking and selling an after-market search coil maker's product, but the 7" DD does work on the MX Sport units I've tinkered with.

Still I favor a smaller coil and was informed they will have the 6½ Inch coil for the MX7 and MX Sport and was provided one to evaluate. Here's where White's un knowingly helped me out. The coil in the familiar black housing, was just made and the lower black plastic hadn't been attached to the upper portion, plus the top of the black coil housing was blank. No decal yet. :shrug: What to call it? Naturally, I wanted to call it exactly what it is, a 6½ Inch Concentric designed coil, that would be working on my MX-7, and my oldest son added the 'personalized touch' to the decal he made so folks will know WHO's search coil it is. :)

Mont Jr. was busy working in his shop, Once Trees, making his custom woodcraft products and also doing his laser engraving and other things, and he had the tools and is always willing to help his Dad. I let him borrow the 6 ½ Inch coil for a day to get the two halves sealed in place, and he also worked up a custom decal for me. Well, actually it's for the coil, but you know what I mean.

I asked Tom B. when we could talk about the coil and he informed me that it is okay for those of us with the coil that 's out for evaluation to talk about it. He also said it is going to be in production soon, this coming year, for the MX Sport and MX-7 detectors models. I have posted this comment in some replies below, but a couple of pe3ople commented on-line or in e-mails that I should just make a fresh post about this soon-to-arrive search coil.

I have included three photos to show the search coil with one photo showing the coil mounted on my MX-7 so you can see the overall appearance. Let me say right here and now, I really like the MX-7. both the appearance and field performance, and that means I really like the 'Bengal Orange' coil (I've customized from stock) and I especially like having the 6½ Inch Concentric coil to complement my 7" DD and 950 Concentric coils for this versatile land unit.

I am sure Tom B. will make an appearance on this White's Forum in the near future and fill us all in on when they will be releasing a production run of this coil, so stay tuned and have a little post-Christmas shopping money left over for yourself.

Monte

aka Mont to my friends and family.



"Your EYES ... the only 100% accurate form of Discrimination!"

Stinkwater Wells
Trading Post

Metal Detector Evaluations and Product Reviews
'How-To' help for Coin & Jewelry Hunting, Relic Hunting and Useful Techniques.

My Regular-Use Detector Team are from:
Makro, Nokta, Tesoro and White's
Note: Detectors are listed alphabetically by Brand. Models are chosen as desired based on search site conditions.
Additional search coils. mounted on spare lower-rods, are on-hand in my Accessory Coil Tote.
Pinpointers: Using Nokta and Makro Pointers.
Headphones: Using White's Pro Star w/'tank style' ear cups.
Recovery Tools: Using White's Ground Hawg Shovel and DigMaster digging tools.

*** All working well today to make memories for tomorrow. ***

monte@stinkwaterwells.com .. or .. monte@ahrps.org
(503) 481-8147





Re: COMING SOON for the MX Sport and MX-7 .... a 6½ Inch Concentric coil! :thumbup:
Posted by: amcoins44
Date: December 11, 2017 03:13PM
Ready to purchase. Thanks for the pictures. Can I get mine persolized?

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Re: COMING SOON for the MX Sport and MX-7 .... a 6½ Inch Concentric coil! :thumbup:
Posted by: OregonGregg
Date: December 11, 2017 03:32PM
Having the middle rod also done in the Bengal Orange sure does give the machine a much better "finished" look. Well I guess I'm going to have to come over and give yours a try.



Makro Racer & Racer 2
Nokta Fors CoRe
Whites MXT & M6

amcoins44, the 'personalized' efforts were
Posted by: Monte
Date: December 11, 2017 05:06PM
thanks to Tom B., at White's, and my son, Monte Jr..

Tom B. identified the specific powder coating they are using for me in an e-mail request:
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from Tom B.
The orange is Drylac "Bengal Orange...."

Monte Jr. works with a wide range of crafted product design in his shop to include making adhesive decals. The really nice, color-matching search coil decal started out a very solid white, but ended up being black to match the search coil body with the color enhancements and 'personalized' touches.

I don't mind going an extra mile and paying just a bit to customize my detectors. Oregon Gregg & I both use Art's Powder Coating in Ontario to strip and powder-coat the upper and middle rods of some of our personal detectors for us, and the cost is very reasonable. My search coil was naked and required sealant to secure the halves, and I wanted a little 'personal touch' to properly describe the search coil size and type so I paid him $20 to take care of all that for me. And it was surer worth it to me, also having me added to it to let folks know who's MX-7 and coil it is. :detecting:

You can always get yours personalized to be unique for you.

Monte



"Your EYES ... the only 100% accurate form of Discrimination!"

Stinkwater Wells
Trading Post

Metal Detector Evaluations and Product Reviews
'How-To' help for Coin & Jewelry Hunting, Relic Hunting and Useful Techniques.

My Regular-Use Detector Team are from:
Makro, Nokta, Tesoro and White's
Note: Detectors are listed alphabetically by Brand. Models are chosen as desired based on search site conditions.
Additional search coils. mounted on spare lower-rods, are on-hand in my Accessory Coil Tote.
Pinpointers: Using Nokta and Makro Pointers.
Headphones: Using White's Pro Star w/'tank style' ear cups.
Recovery Tools: Using White's Ground Hawg Shovel and DigMaster digging tools.

*** All working well today to make memories for tomorrow. ***

monte@stinkwaterwells.com .. or .. monte@ahrps.org
(503) 481-8147


Re: COMING SOON for the MX Sport and MX-7 .... a 6½ Inch Concentric coil! :thumbup:
Posted by: Frank in NH
Date: December 11, 2017 05:28PM
Monte You said you got your 5.3" in two pieces what size are the actual coil winding, 5.3"?

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nice looking coil and will own one when releasedN/T
Posted by: Rick(ND)
Date: December 12, 2017 01:32AM

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Frank, a short and to-the-point answer.
Posted by: Monte
Date: December 12, 2017 02:26AM
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Frank in NH
Monte You said you got your 5.3" in two pieces what size are the actual coil winding, 5.3"?

When those were first announced I was down at White's and had a chat with a couple if folks and asked where the terrible name change? As it was they had the Blue Max 600 which wasn't 6" across, but 6½ Inches just as it is today. This all happened when they were also introducing the new Quantum XT and Quantum II, and on the Quantum II they used the standard 8" coil, such as the Royal 800, Blue max 800 and other physically similar coils, but they decided to label the new Quantum II coil as a 7.8 for the same nutting marketing reason ad renaming the 6½" coil a 5.3 Black Max initially when changing from white plastic to black.

To be honest, not in the past when I had the opportunity nor when I got this unsealed 6½ Inch coil, did I measure it. But yes, you are on the right thought of why the name they came up with as I was told at the time it was a marketing idea and some engineer decided 5.3 would be a good idea because that was supposed to be the outer Transmit coil winding. I told them back then, often since then, and continue to this very day to remind them that most search coils in the industry are described by the outside physical measurement.

The 8" Concentric was at or very close to an 8" diameter. The 950 is very close to 9½" diameter. I don't have a tape measure handy in my den, but the Detech 7" DD measured very close to a 7" diameter as well. The 6½" coil should not have been 'down-graded' to call it a 5.3 because it isn't.

Yes, the '5.3' idea they had was referring to the diameter of the internal Transmit coil winding, but on trips to White's factory at the time I asked a few engineers about that measurement. Was it from the outside edge of the wire winding to the opposite outside edge, or was that 5.3 measurement from the inside edge of the winding across to the inside edge of the winding, or did they get the measurement from the center of the wire winding to the center of the wire winding?

They all had the same answer, and that was that they didn't know, so I pointed out that if engineers don't know exactly then it sure isn't a consideration for the unknowing consumers. We, the end users of the products, generally consider search coils based upon the physical dimensions and that it was misleading to name this particular search coil differently than they did all their others. That said, I still give White's credit for how they have named their elliptical coils, using the width and then the length, such as 4X6 or 6X10 rather than doing it backwards like we see most often.

Search coil size and description is one of the few things in the metal detector industry where we have seen a lot of inconsistency over the years. Another has been words to describe adjustment controls or display read-outs, and that can get confusing at times as well especially for a novice trying to learn different brands or models within a brand. But I like to keep things 'Simple' and when it comes to search coils, just "call them the way we see them" and there won't be any confusion.

Right now I am more interested in 2.5 anyway. We're stuck in an inversion with a low-to-high range of mid-20's to ±32° and the ground is frozen, plus we haven't seen a flake of snow yet, but have dealt with temperatures down into the mid teens the last couple of weeks. It's December 12th and that means it will be about 2.5 months until we start to break out of the grip of winter and get into the early warming stages of spring weather. Burrrr!

Monte



"Your EYES ... the only 100% accurate form of Discrimination!"

Stinkwater Wells
Trading Post

Metal Detector Evaluations and Product Reviews
'How-To' help for Coin & Jewelry Hunting, Relic Hunting and Useful Techniques.

My Regular-Use Detector Team are from:
Makro, Nokta, Tesoro and White's
Note: Detectors are listed alphabetically by Brand. Models are chosen as desired based on search site conditions.
Additional search coils. mounted on spare lower-rods, are on-hand in my Accessory Coil Tote.
Pinpointers: Using Nokta and Makro Pointers.
Headphones: Using White's Pro Star w/'tank style' ear cups.
Recovery Tools: Using White's Ground Hawg Shovel and DigMaster digging tools.

*** All working well today to make memories for tomorrow. ***

monte@stinkwaterwells.com .. or .. monte@ahrps.org
(503) 481-8147


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Re: COMING SOON for the MX Sport and MX-7 .... a 6½ Inch Concentric coil! :thumbup:
Posted by: ramairnut
Date: December 12, 2017 02:31PM
That looks sooooooo AWESOME! Thank you White's:please: for making this coil work for the MX Sport and MX7. I will be looking for the upcoming release date announcement. Next year is gonna be good!:detecting:

Brian, I can only do what's right ... 5 times.
Posted by: Monte
Date: December 12, 2017 03:17PM
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ramairnut
That looks sooooooo AWESOME!
This size Concentric coil has been around for other models for a long time now, and has served me extremely well. Usually it was the primary-use search coil that stayed on the detector full-time, only switching for a specific purpose. In it's blain black design is still looks good when mounted down there at the end of the rod, but I do think my specimen looks 'AWESOME!' as you describe thanks to Monte Jr.'s handy work at designing a custom decal for it and keeping the Bengal Orange color White's chose for the MX-7. I do say it is an attractive search coil. :clapping:


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ramairnut
Thank you White's:please: for making this coil work for the MX Sport and MX7. I will be looking for the upcoming release date announcement.
I was kind of interested in the MX Sport from what little I handled it, and was definitely eager to see what they developed as a land model, and I liked what I saw. Then I was even more interested in spending a little pre-Christmas cash on myself ... early ... to get one in my hands with the Detech 7" DD, even though that's not really what I wanted as a regular-use coil. Then I heard the little bits here and there about a smaller Concentric coil in the futures, and am most grateful to Tom B. at White's for hooking me up with a pre-release 6½' Concentric coil to evaluate. He told me mine was about the 6th one out for testing, and Frank in NH has been working with one on his MX Sport for a while now.

The 1st thing I did that was right was buy an MX-7. The 2nd thing I did that was right was not argue with Tom on that offer (which was never going to happen!) and accept this wonderful opportunity. The 3rd thing I did that was right was properly identify my coil for size and type with a 'custom' decal. The 4th thing I did that was right was put this coil to use as much as I have been able to with winter's chill here in Eastern Oregon. And finally, the 5th thing I did that was right was not hesitate to share the great news that White's is solidly 'in-the-game' by bringing us a new and versatile and affordable detector, and quickly following g up with a splendid search coil for the MX-7 and MX Sport.

And all the real credit goes to the good folks at White's who are listening and answering the wants and needs from consumers who are active detectorists.

Monte

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ramairnut
Next year is gonna be good! :detecting:
Yes indeed, and I am not going to wait around here for spring. After Christmas I am taking my trailer and heading off to drier and warmer detecting weather for at least a week or so. The MX-7 and 'customized' 6½ Inch are going to get some serious detecting time as a break from our wintery cabin fever season. I hope you're in an area that doesn't suffer from winter-downtime weather and can get out and enjoy some search time.

Monte



"Your EYES ... the only 100% accurate form of Discrimination!"

Stinkwater Wells
Trading Post

Metal Detector Evaluations and Product Reviews
'How-To' help for Coin & Jewelry Hunting, Relic Hunting and Useful Techniques.

My Regular-Use Detector Team are from:
Makro, Nokta, Tesoro and White's
Note: Detectors are listed alphabetically by Brand. Models are chosen as desired based on search site conditions.
Additional search coils. mounted on spare lower-rods, are on-hand in my Accessory Coil Tote.
Pinpointers: Using Nokta and Makro Pointers.
Headphones: Using White's Pro Star w/'tank style' ear cups.
Recovery Tools: Using White's Ground Hawg Shovel and DigMaster digging tools.

*** All working well today to make memories for tomorrow. ***

monte@stinkwaterwells.com .. or .. monte@ahrps.org
(503) 481-8147


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Re: Brian, I can only do what's right ... 5 times.
Posted by: ramairnut
Date: December 13, 2017 06:26PM
Well those 5 times were as right as right can be.:thumbup: Please upload some pics of your finds and add a review of this awesome combo. I will be stuck inside for quite awhile from the looks of our weather forecast. I will end up with a bad case of cabin fever, I'm sure. The bright side is that I really enjoy the MX Sport and now that i know there will be a small coil available for it, I may just survive the winter.Thanks again for the heads-up, Monte.:detecting: Good luck and Happy Hunting on your trip.:biggrin:

Re: COMING SOON for the MX Sport and MX-7 .... a 6½ Inch Concentric coil! :thumbup:
Posted by: John, in Nawth Carolina
Date: December 19, 2017 08:39AM
6.5" is very close to the 7" I own now. We'll see......



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Re: COMING SOON for the MX Sport and MX-7 .... a 6½ Inch Concentric coil! :thumbup:
Posted by: John, in Nawth Carolina
Date: December 19, 2017 11:29AM
That size is very close to the DD 7" Detech I purchased a while ago. Haven't been able to use my MXS a lot but the 7" didn't find any additional good targets in areas I used the 10'DD at. As a matter of fact, the MXS with 10" DD found 7 CW bullets that the Nokta with the 5" oor coil missed in a small 20'X20' area.



Using what I can afford since 1976

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Re: COMING SOON for the MX Sport and MX-7 .... a 6½ Inch Concentric coil! :thumbup:
Posted by: TC-NM
Date: December 19, 2017 11:34AM
I'll just have to use my Xmas money for after the holiday's purchase, HOOOO RAAAA!



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Re: COMING SOON for the MX Sport and MX-7 .... a 6½ Inch Concentric coil! :thumbup:
Posted by: ramairnut
Date: December 19, 2017 08:15PM
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John, in Nawth Carolina
That size is very close to the DD 7" Detech I purchased a while ago. Haven't been able to use my MXS a lot but the 7" didn't find any additional good targets in areas I used the 10'DD at. As a matter of fact, the MXS with 10" DD found 7 CW bullets that the Nokta with the 5" oor coil missed in a small 20'X20' area.

The MX Sport goes deeper than what people think.:detecting:

Re: COMING SOON for the MX Sport and MX-7 .... a 6½ Inch Concentric coil! :thumbup:
Posted by: John, in Nawth Carolina
Date: December 19, 2017 11:46PM
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ramairnut
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John, in Nawth Carolina
That size is very close to the DD 7" Detech I purchased a while ago. Haven't been able to use my MXS a lot but the 7" didn't find any additional good targets in areas I used the 10'DD at. As a matter of fact, the MXS with 10" DD found 7 CW bullets that the Nokta with the 5" oor coil missed in a small 20'X20' area.

The MX Sport goes deeper than what people think.:detecting:

Yep, I know.



Using what I can afford since 1976

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