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Tesoro vs. DeepTech audio nuance and intelligibility?
Posted by: Mowdi
Date: October 11, 2018 09:00AM
Hi,
For those who have been long term Tesoro users and now use DeepTech machines. I love the Tesoro audio nuance and find it very intelligible with practice. I like the looks of the Vista Smart + and am wondering if the Vista audio nuance is as intelligible as that of Tesoro machines.
Thanks,
Mowdi

Re: Tesoro vs. DeepTech audio nuance and intelligibility?
Posted by: dan b
Date: October 11, 2018 09:24PM
Very good question. I would love to see a video of a Tesoro and a DeepTech on the same targets in a real world hunt.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/11/2018 09:25PM by dan b.

Re: Tesoro vs. DeepTech audio nuance and intelligibility?
Posted by: dirthunter
Date: October 13, 2018 10:55AM
Great question!!

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To me it is very subjective
Posted by: therover
Date: October 13, 2018 12:53PM
Long time Tesoro users have their ears trained to where those nuances are now part of their ability to determine targets and it gives them another 'weapon' in their hunting process.

Not only that, but every ones ears and hearing are different. The type of headphones used also has to be factored in. I have found a lot of analog units can be made better or worse, just by what headphones you use.

Having used several Tesoros in the past, and still have a Mojave in the stable, as well as a DeepTech Vista Gold Gain (VGG), I can say that the analog features and the audio of the VVG is very similar to a Tesoro. More so than compared to any other unit out there (digital or analog).

Hard to explain, but when using a Tesoro or VGG, with good headphones, there is a lot of audio nuances that can help in identifying a target. The edges of targets and they way they sound when the audio ends ( the 'pfft' sound or how it is not completely 'clean'), tells a lot about the target. Being a tone hunter for the most part, having audio nuances where a target just stops you in your tracks via the sound and how you can then focus on the target and sweep the coil and get more info just by the audio is so cool.

Bottom line...if one is thinking about a DeepTech unit, and if it can be similar to a Tesoro in terms of audio and how it reacts to iron vs non-ferrous targets, you won't be disappointed. The main thing is, you will have to use the DeepTech unit for awhile to start getting the ability to hear those nuances. Just like it probably takes a bit of time when first using a Tesoro. But once the 'light bulb' goes on and you start to mesh with the unit and the way the audio reacts over targets, it will be just like hunting with a Tesoro.

The audio nuances are there. The analog sound is there. Some DeepTech units have iron break and the ability to set the volume on iron. That is a big plus in my book.

My opinion....getting a DeepTech unit and the one that most looks like it would compliment whatever Tesoro unit you have, will be a good choice. Just be aware that some of the control boxes on the DeepTech units are bigger, and although they weigh a bit more, they are still balanced very well (think Tejon in terms of how some of the DeepTech units are built...battery box under the arm cuff). I can hunt all day with my VGG with either the 11 inch or Super Six coil with no issues. And they go DEEP and have super fast recovery speed. Relic hunting or dry sand hunting for gold jewelry is a no brainer for the VGG. Coin hunting...there are probably better DeepTech units for that.

Shame Tesoro may be closing up shop. The quality of their units, price point, the service and the warranty were always good selling points.

Long live the analog units ! As Joe Walsh sings it...I'm an analog man.



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Re: Tesoro vs. DeepTech audio nuance and intelligibility?
Posted by: Mowdi
Date: October 15, 2018 07:01AM
Thank you all for your comments especially therover for the detail on the VGG.
I'm in Canada where we probably have the most cheaply made clad coins in the world. Tesoro's are excellent at identifying these largely ferrous coins. The key is setting the discrimination to just hit a dime on edge and then "listening" to target audio responses. Never perfect (no machine is) but works surprisingly well. The Mojave works wonders at times.
The question is whether the VGG or Smart + can be used the same way? If a DeepTech could be set up the same way and have adjustable iron audio with intelligible non-ferrous audio response they might take things a step farther.
Mowdi

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Mowdi...I think a VGG or Smart would fit the bill for you
Posted by: therover
Date: October 15, 2018 06:53PM
"The question is whether the VGG or Smart + can be used the same way? If a DeepTech could be set up the same way and have adjustable iron audio with intelligible non-ferrous audio response they might take things a step farther."

I believe this can be achieved with a VGG or Smart and you would have the ability to determine certain Canadian clad via tonal nuances. Especially with iron audio and the ability to adjust it. Run it in 2 tone and adjust the discrimination and iron break.

Also, with a VGG, the sensitivity and gain controls give you a ton of flexibility. Check out Ziggys videos. I believe there is one where he demonstrates how the 2 controls work in tandem. Can actually be set up to not bang hard on smaller low conductive targets, which should then bring out the bigger coin sized targets you are looking for.

The iron audio on these units is super, and bigger iron and long iron can be sized up and determined, so the rounder smaller iron type targets, which I assume some of your coins would fall into, could be determined via sound. I have dug a lot of deep round quarter sized iron/steel washers when relic hunting with the VGG so it seems they would sound similar to a Canadian coin with iron attributes. Just guessing though. You will never know until you actually get one and start testing with the coins you want to find.

I have a VGG so I am speaking about that unit. Not sure what features the Smart has.

VGG has coil options too. I love running the Super Six on mine, but now have my eyes set on another small coil as well.

Re: Mowdi...I think a VGG or Smart would fit the bill for you
Posted by: dan b
Date: October 16, 2018 01:23PM
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"I have dug a lot of deep round quarter sized iron/steel washers when relic hunting with the VGG so it seems they would sound similar to a Canadian coin with iron attributes.

That worries me. I get tricked by the odd washer with my Vaquero, and I don't like it. I'd hate to think I have to dig all the washers I run across to find our coins. But in all honesty, I'm not the least bit interested in finding our rusty modern coins so it might not be an issue if they can be rejected.

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Re: Mowdi...I think a VGG or Smart would fit the bill for you
Posted by: therover
Date: October 17, 2018 12:27PM
Dan,

I was relic hunting at the time, not coin hunting, so anything that sounded reasonable I was digging. The VGG does a very good job tonally when there is elongated iron, surface iron and ferrous junk that is jagged in shape. It is a matter of how the VGG is set up based on the hunting conditions and what targets are being looked for.

Problem you guys have is some of the Canadian coins are composed where they would ID in the low iron range. No way around it other than dig it if it sounds 'round' and not elongated.

Re: Tesoro vs. DeepTech audio nuance and intelligibility?
Posted by: dan b
Date: October 17, 2018 06:47PM
I agree, hearing the difference between round and jagged is key. Glad to hear the DeepTech machines are similar to Tesoro in this regard.

Re: Tesoro vs. DeepTech audio nuance and intelligibility?
Posted by: Mowdi
Date: October 18, 2018 12:32PM
Thanks again for your comments.
I'm now pretty well convinced that the VGG and Vista Smart + have very intelligible audio nuance and may even have certain advantages over Tesoro, mainly adjustable iron audio.
Sven considers the VG to be an excellent unit for Canadian parks.
As Dan wrote earlier it would be great to see a comparison video.

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Comparison videos
Posted by: therover
Date: October 18, 2018 01:41PM
All well and good to get a general idea. But most of us know, it's not the same when trying to determine tonal nuances and how targets react tonally and how the audio sounds.

Only way to do that is to put on a good pair of headphones and listen.

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Re: Comparison videos
Posted by: Sven
Date: October 22, 2018 05:19AM
I am a Tesoro fan, I like the audio of the older Tesoros, don't care for the Cibola or Vaquaro. The newer Mojave or Outlaw audio is really decent. Always seem to have a couple on hand.
The audio on the Vista Gold I had took awhile to get used to, the pitch seemed to be a bit higher on the silver targets than a Tesoro and the low tone is about right. Audio is crisper and cleaner on the Vista Gold than Tesoros. Once you get used to the audio on the VG, things will start to click. Some targets sound the same at first. And it all depends upon how the detector is set up. The VG was much faster in recovery and seems to see more targets under the coil than a Tesoro does. Keep that in mind. The Super 6 coil is the coil to use for most coin and jewelry hunting. Also keep in mind the VG seems to see smaller targets than any Tesoro I had. And the disc min. sees more smaller iron than a Tesoro. That's why it can see much smaller gold if you can tolerate running wide open on the disc. The VG was much deeper than any Tesoro I had owned. I had entertained getting a new Vista Gold Gain and or a Smart Plus, just out of my budget range. Most of my coin targets fall within the first 6" and generally Tesoros with a concentric coil and the ED180 Disc will find them. If you have the chance to get a DeepTech really are worth trying. I will say if DT put their units into a umax size housing, you may never look at a Tesoro again.



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Re: Tesoro vs. DeepTech audio nuance and intelligibility?
Posted by: Hanoverdigging
Date: November 13, 2018 12:46PM
I have a Tejon and a Smart Plus. The audio is much more Crisp than the Tejon. The Smart plus eats the Tejon alive when it comes to recovery speed. I also think it is more powerful than the Tejon. However the control box is massive and takes some getting used to. I named mine Charlie Brown because of the blockhead. It's an absolute beast in heavy iron.I highly recommend one.

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