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OK......What/When Will Garrett Be Up To In The Near Future? :garrett::shrug:
Posted by: John-Edmonton
Date: February 02, 2019 04:33PM
Mmmmmm, Garrett often times releases new products with compound Metal Detector Groups. An example would be the ACE Series, The GTI Series And The AT Series. And....there are different types of metal detecting, for example relic hunting, water hunting, coin hunting and gold prospecting.

So, putting yourselves in the CEO's position, what do you figure is soon to be coming down the tubes?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/2019 04:33PM by John-Edmonton.




Re: OK......What/When Will Garrett Be Up To In The Near Future? :garrett::shrug:
Posted by: Dancer
Date: February 02, 2019 10:55PM
A light , sturdy ,waterproof analog coin / jewelry machine. A grab & go producer. Manual ground balance, sensitivity, discrimination, 3 - 4 tone id. Throw in a couple of frequencies. Name it the Privateer or something. Forget all the future mumbo, jumbo, updates, science classes and give us a tool that cuts threw this nonsense. Utilize the finest computer chip ever made, the one between our ears. How hard is that?

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Re: OK......What/When Will Garrett Be Up To In The Near Future? :garrett::shrug:
Posted by: John-Edmonton
Date: February 03, 2019 09:01AM
There sure is a need for simplicity. The problem with too many bells and whistles that I find, is that you are never satisfied that you are running your machine at an optimal level. Too much dependence on your detector and not enough emphasis on your own skills is not good! And...........being an experienced - satisfied user of imaging, I truly hope it comes back for us coin/jewelry hunters.




Re: OK......What/When Will Garrett Be Up To In The Near Future? :garrett::shrug:
Posted by: Dancer
Date: February 03, 2019 12:55PM
You know, we all read about a machine being able to sniff out coins mixed up with this or that. Then at the end they say they dig everything. So if your gonna dig almost every thing , why spend $1,000 & up for all the bells?

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Re: OK......What/When Will Garrett Be Up To In The Near Future? :garrett::shrug:
Posted by: John-Edmonton
Date: February 03, 2019 07:31PM
They might as well by a PI machine, with proven depth and dig it all.

Re: OK......What/When Will Garrett Be Up To In The Near Future? :garrett::shrug:
Posted by: Gamma_Joe
Date: February 03, 2019 08:25PM
John, you nailed it right on the target!

*** GARRETT *** are you listening? ***

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John-Edmonton wrote:

"And...........being an experienced - satisfied user of imaging, I truly hope it comes back for us coin/jewelry hunters."

*** Absolutely spot-on, right and correct. ***

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This will be a long post. Thank you to everyone for bearing with it.

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Here is a personal view ... GARRETT please note.

First, some background. Then a note to Garrett.

Background:

(1) I have been detecting since 1990. That is for 29 years. It isn't just a light hobby, I am serious about it (and love it). I have been dedicated to recovering relics, as well as coins. The collectible coins go to a heritage collection. Clads and zincs put gas in the car and batteries in the detectors. The trash goes to recycling. Everybody benefits. I have had people -- citizens, cops, and city employees -- thank me for my work.

(2) I have returned lost items -- a silver class ring, a gold brooch, and a silver holy medal. Two of them took years of searching, on the Web and old newspapers. I have never taken any financial reward. It's just the right thing to do.

(3) I have owned and used the following detectors: Fisher CZ-7a Pro. Fisher CZ-70. Teknetics Gamma. Garrett AT3 Beach Hunter, and Garrett GTP1350. They did some "serious" detecting. They were sold to make room for my current two units.

(4) My current two units are: Garrett GTI2500, and Teknetics Omega 8000 Version 6.0.

In these 29 years, I have searched parks, curb strips, beaches, and homesites with owner's permission.

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OK, Garrett? I probably know what I am talking about, about as well as anybody.

*** Now here comes the point. ***

It is:

*** Target Imaging. ***

With the Garrett GTI2500, I see the "image" of the target in the ground.

Your GTI2500 shows me three (3) kinds of information:

... (1) Kind of metal ... iron, foil, nickel/tab, zinc, copper, silver.

... (2) Depth ... how many inches deep.

... (3) Size ... it's coin size, or smaller than a coin, or larger, or much larger.

All THREE of those pieces of information are CRUCIAL to effective detecting.

(Sorry for the ALL CAPS, but "crucial" means exactly what it says. No fooling around.)

*** NO other detector *** now on the market *** shows all three of those target factors.

Only the GTI2500 does.

Not your AT "Pro".

Not your AT "Max". How in the world did you decide to market a new detector with the "Max" name, when it lacks one fundamental factor that is already in another detector?

Hard talking here.

Garrett -- to my view, and based on my experience with many detectors (see above) -- that is a step down on your part. Call it something else, but not "Pro" or "Max".

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Now let's get down in the ground.

The GTI2500 has a three-element coil. The other detectors have a two-element coil.

On the GTI2500, there is one (1) Transmit winding, and two (2) Receive windings. It "sees" two cone-shaped images in the ground -- one relatively large and deep, and the other relatively small and shallow.

When pinpointing, the GTI2500 compares those two images and computes both the DEPTH and SIZE of the target. The readout screen shows the result.

The other detectors have a two-element coil, with one (1) Transmit winding and one (1) Receive winding. They "see" only one "cone" image in the ground. What's the problem? Their screens show the depth, but only **IF** the target is about the size of a coin. Bigger, deeper target looks like smaller, shallower target. The user manual describes this, but it sure as heck isn't emphasized in the marketing and sales. (Hard words to accept, Garrett?)

What's the difference? You're in an older public area. It has crushed cans, lids, copper and brass industrial junk, and can slaw, as well as wanted targets like coins and relics.

The GTI2500 **shows** you have a coin-size target at 6 inches. Dig it, and you have it.

The others **show** you have a coin-size target at 6 inches. Dig. Yes, you might have a coin at six. But you might have a copper washer at 8, or a piece of slaw at 10. That's 10 inches of repeated digging and pinpointing. And more time digging trash when you could be covering more area for what you're wanting.

... Yes, if that's what you like to do -- no problem. But here's the key point. With the GTI2500, you *know* what you're looking for when you start your dig. With the others, you don't know until afterward ... it was guessing, all the way down.

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Note to Garrett:

Garrett, we need a modern detector with Graphic Target Imaging.

We need a replacement -- or enhancement -- for the GTI2500.

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This is already a long post. I hope it has not offended anyone.

But I also hope it jostles Garrett -- both Engineering and Marketing -- to take a long hard look.

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Wrapping up. The main point is the "Imaging" above. There is one other feature worth noting.

The GTI2500 also has a "Surface Elimination" feature.

Set it for (say) 2 inches, or 4 inches, and the detector will not respond to shallower targets. It will only show you the deeper ones.

If you're in an older area, where there are likely to be deep targets -- but also likely to have the shallower modern junk like bottle caps, foil wrappers, and pulltabs -- set the Surface Elimination to ignore that junk.

Find the older, deeper stuff first. You can always come back again later, if you want to -- after you've gone over the place for the deep targets.

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Bottom Line.

We need a modern detector -- updated from the GTI2500 -- with FULL Target Imaging and Surface Elimination. Lighter in weight. With a numeric VDI and ground mineralization readout.

I will be in waiting line to buy it, immediately.

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Cheers,

Joe

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Re: OK......What/When Will Garrett Be Up To In The Near Future? :garrett::shrug: :cam::video:
Posted by: John-Edmonton
Date: February 03, 2019 10:45PM
Joe.......you explained the Imaging very well. I have said time and time again, once you learn the imaging feature properly, and know it's limitations, it saves you so much time digging junk! And the GTI series machines were so user friendly and easy to use. Now.....if this feature could be utilized in a light, small new package...."BINGO"!

Current Video On Imaging - https://www.garrett.com/hobbysite/hbby_gti2500_imaging_video_en.aspx




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Re: OK......What/When Will Garrett Be Up To In The Near Future? :garrett::shrug:
Posted by: JASONSPAZ1
Date: February 06, 2019 06:17PM
Name wise, bring up the Master Hunter name with green and black colors.
On feature side please have a target volume control for individual targets.
HH
Jason



"If you walk away from a target still thinking of it,
then go back and dig it"

Metal Detecting in Massachusetts and New Hampshire for 30 years.
Merrimack Valley Metal Detecting Group on Facebook.

I currently use Nokta/Makro metal detectors.

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"target volume control for individual targets":clap:
Posted by: John-Edmonton
Date: February 06, 2019 10:52PM
That's a very interesting suggestion, especially for those looking for specific types of targets. I like it! :)

Re: OK......What/When Will Garrett Be Up To In The Near Future? :garrett::shrug:
Posted by: kajunman
Date: February 07, 2019 08:52PM
I've never used a GTI, though I would like to try one. I've only been detecting 5 years. I have a stable of detectors and not one is a do it all including my Nox 800. The Nox is good on the beach with its condensed number vdi. 99% of gold will fall between 1 and 14. You will dig a lot of trash with it in the field. My Multi Kruzer is better identifying crown bottle caps because of the number disparity. However the best detector I've ever had regarding crown bottle caps was my ATP. The Multi Kruzer has a beach mode but it isn't deep at all. My F75 is the deepest of my detectors and very fast. Between the Max and ATP if I had to do it over I would have kept the ATP. I just like it better overall. The bigger window on the Max is better than the ATP window.

I say all of that to say , if Garrett could combine the speed and depth of other detectors into a modern lightweight GTI that would work in saltwater I would be first in line to buy that detector. New technology with faster processors and such, I think this is possible. The only issue that might arise is could Garrett do this with a multi frequency detector ? I think Garrett is working on something that is a game changer. That's pure speculation on my behalf. I think a modern GTI on a straight shaft that works in salt water would certainly be a game changer. Just my opinions but that's what I would like to see.

Another option would be a PI detector with a screen and discrimination. Maybe a PI GTI. If that would be possible I think it would be Katy bar the door for other detectors.

Re: OK......What/When Will Garrett Be Up To In The Near Future? :garrett::shrug:
Posted by: Dancer
Date: February 08, 2019 04:46AM
I just bought a simple beep & dig water / wet sand machine. 2.4 KHz, Very stable in my mild salt water. Volume, sensitivity, discrimination , get this , mounted in the headphone. Single tone but will nul on iron. Light & simple. Not as deep as my Infinium, but a rugged machine in the surf. My AT Pro , iron I'd, target separation, tones has been my #1 since it came out. It replaced my Gti 1500 (imaging) which was a real quarter magnet. So these new machines are jamming all this info onto screens. When in the end, the hunter relies on his ears and his gut when it's time to dig. Take the At Pro. Great tones, iron discrimination, sweet quarter, nickel gold. Take away the screen, lighten the thing up. Be a good start.

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Re: OK......What/When Will Garrett Be Up To In The Near Future? :garrett::shrug:
Posted by: John-Edmonton
Date: February 09, 2019 03:45PM
Good point! It's those learned skills we use that allow us to excel in this hobby. There's more then just "beep-dig." At the end of the day, we we all want to come come with the most keepers in the shortest amount of time. There are many skills (which take time to learn) which allow us to do that.

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Re: OK......What/When Will Garrett Be Up To In The Near Future? :garrett::shrug:
Posted by: John-Edmonton
Date: February 09, 2019 03:50PM
The GTI Series were a coin hunter's dream! Once learned properly, and it's limitations (accuracy of size diminishes after 6-7 inches) you can leave so much junk in the ground, for others to dig up. :biggrin: I remember digging grass strips, looking for silver. The GTI always gave a nice solid punch on silver, with proper ID and size. Just like taking candy from a baby.:rofl: I really hope Garrett invests in utilizing that option again.

Re: OK......What/When Will Garrett Be Up To In The Near Future? :garrett::shrug:
Posted by: Gamma_Joe
Date: February 09, 2019 08:10PM
John-Edmonton wrote:

... "The GTI always gave a nice solid punch on silver, with proper ID and size. Just like taking candy from a baby. I really hope Garrett invests in utilizing that option again."

John, you got it 100% right.

Garrett, are you listening?

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Here's a couple of observations.

Compared to modern units -- Garrett and the competitors -- the GTI is heavy. Sure, the GTI2500's third coil winding adds some weight -- but that's not the main issue.

It has the two boxes -- the control/display unit, and the separate box on the control rod with the batteries and headphone connector. That's a lot of weight to swing around, and that's even without the 12-inch coil. (Sure, the batteries box can come off and be hung on the person's belt ... but that's still a lot of bulk to lug around, compared to the AT series and competitors' units.)

Garrett, do we really need eight AA batteries in today's technology? The GTI2500 is based on 1980s components and packaging. It sells because there's nothing else like its imaging today. But today and tomorrow are two different things.

Garrett already has the GTI imaging design concept -- three coil windings and double signal processing. Please repackage it.

Chances are, Garrett probably owns the patent on the "three coils, double signal processing" technology. But they shouldn't expect that no competitor will ever come up with another imaging detector.

... For example, the 3-coil design might not be enforceable with patent protection -- maybe yes, maybe no. Does anyone own an exclusive patent on the Concentric or Double-D design?

... The old BFO detectors used a single coil. Then along came the old TR units, with two coils. Did anyone get a patent with exclusive rights to a 2-coil concentric? Apparently not, because they're all over the place today with different manufacturers of modern detectors.

... So maybe another manufacturer could come out with a modern 3-coil detector today. Maybe they could use common circuits with time sharing between transmit/receive, without impinging on an existing Garrett double-signal design.

... That's a lot of techie stuff, and I'm not saying it's all correct.

... I'm just suggesting that there may be other imaging methods, not patented by Garrett, that are available to the other "big" manufacturers in the business.

... And if someone else comes up with a lighter-weight unit, with VDI and with target imaging, it will take a chomp out of Garrett GTI sales.

It should be Garrett doing the job now. They've gotta know this already.

Cheers,

Joe



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/09/2019 08:16PM by Gamma_Joe.

Re: OK......What/When Will Garrett Be Up To In The Near Future? :Garrett::shrug:
Posted by: navydad5
Date: February 09, 2019 09:16PM
WOW I feel a bit awkward with a basic question of a very basic detector. I have a 250. Without replacing it can it be
upgraded with a different coil?? any coil, any maker. Not limited to Garrett.

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