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Pattern project
Posted by: WV62
Date: December 19, 2017 12:39PM
I have went through the last 100 pages of threads on this forum and pulled any US coin ID numbers that I could get.

I am loading them into a open screen pattern, please see picture below. I was going to just enter my finds but I think that will take years to get it loaded and I am 69 so I don't have years.

So I am asking for help, if anybody out there has some ID numbers for US coins they have found and would like to share I would love to have them. Please only numbers that you know are good.

I will be loading the attached pattern into the detector before my next hunt.

Thanks,

Ron in WV




The problem is.....
Posted by: Chris(SoCenWI)
Date: December 19, 2017 05:01PM
When coins are in the ground- if they are deep, in mineralized soil, or commingled with trash, and often a combination of all three- they don't hit in the text book location the majority of passes over the target.

When the first explorer came out in 2000 the Minelab book and an aftermarket book devoted lots of space to building patterns; learning coins, etc. It would have been wonderful if this technique worked, but it doesn't for the above reason. The vast majority of the most successful hunters gave up on this quickly and moved to very minimal discrimination. The multi-tone feature and the pre 12 ferrous line machines gave a wealth of information of what was in the ground. An experienced user could generally distinguish between and IH cent and a wheat cent, silver quarter from clad; not 100% but much better than when the target ID just moves a couple pixels left or right on a single line.

Basically I wouldn't bother with patterns and spend your Golden years digging lots of targets and getting a feel for where things hit in different conditions.

Chris

Re: The problem is.....
Posted by: Dale(Ia)
Date: December 19, 2017 06:24PM
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Chris(SoCenWI)
When coins are in the ground- if they are deep, in mineralized soil, or commingled with trash, and often a combination of all three- they don't hit in the text book location the majority of passes over the target.

When the first explorer came out in 2000 the Minelab book and an aftermarket book devoted lots of space to building patterns; learning coins, etc. It would have been wonderful if this technique worked, but it doesn't for the above reason. The vast majority of the most successful hunters gave up on this quickly and moved to very minimal discrimination. The multi-tone feature and the pre 12 ferrous line machines gave a wealth of information of what was in the ground. An experienced user could generally distinguish between and IH cent and a wheat cent, silver quarter from clad; not 100% but much better than when the target ID just moves a couple pixels left or right on a single line.

Basically I wouldn't bother with patterns and spend your Golden years digging lots of targets and getting a feel for where things hit in different conditions.

Chris
.........Also, don't forget how badly worn & orientation of the coin in the ground ..........these also "skew" the numbers!

Iowa Dale

Thanks Dale, I forgot about that factor....N/T
Posted by: Chris(SoCenWI)
Date: December 20, 2017 01:05AM

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Re: Pattern project
Posted by: IDXMonster
Date: December 20, 2017 07:01AM
I’m afraid they’re right Ron,even on the mighty CTX it does the same thing. In fact most ALL machines will do this...numbers won’t be “spot on” even sometimes in the very best of scenarios. If the coin is hitting right on the border of a discriminated pixel or series of pixels it’ll sound broken,like trash. If the whole area around where the coin hits is open with no disc,you’ll get a solid “coin type” hit,signaling you to dig. The best thing to do is KNOW where the coins hit,but leave the general area open,so when you get a hit you can then look at the screen and see what it is. The best part of an Explorer or eTrac is the audio, but by putting in spotty disc all over you’ll be making good targets that hit halfway sound exactly like broken trash hits. If you want to make a pattern that will hit a lot of coins and little else,I will suggest you open up the entire upper right quadrant of the screen. Make sure it hits at 90 degrees from at least 2 axis and if it does,dig it up. That’s FOR NOW. Lets not worry about the nuances of how things CAN happen,but more or how they USUALLY happen.
An open area where coins hit lets the audio do what it’s good at,don’t block out little areas that might break up the signal because it’s not hitting in the exact spot you intended it to.
Is it cold over there yet? :smile:

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Re: Pattern project
Posted by: WV62
Date: December 20, 2017 09:47AM
Sounds like I may be barking up the wrong tree again. Here is the pattern that I have come up with so far with the ID numbers I pulled from 100 pages of forum post. A clean picture may help explain what I am doing.

As you can see I am not trying pin coin to a box, what I trying to do is open the pattern up just enough to include a lot of dug coins. Some have said just hunt with a open screen, but I would like to take out some of the trash and still get most of the good coins.

Running shot on time, maybe I can come back later and explain what I am trying to do.

Ron in WV




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Re: Pattern project
Posted by: pghmole
Date: December 20, 2017 11:51AM
I disc out to the 24 line and leave the top wide open,ran my e trac and Ctx the same way for 6 years and it's got me well over 1000 silvers and works awesome in dense low co targets listening for the high chirps



Hey guys if the ground is dry and you dig anyways you WILL kill the grass,there is no way around it!,don't make us look any worse or damage property...private or public and please no foot shovels in the park period!

Current detectors:
Ctx 3030
E Trac
Deus
Equinox 800 (pre ordered)

Pinpointers:
Garrett pro pointer
Garrett carrot
Whites Trx
Minelab pro find 35
Sunray x1 probe

Re: Pattern project
Posted by: IDXMonster
Date: December 20, 2017 05:52PM
Ok,that’s more open than I thought you were making,that looks pretty good to me.

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Re: Pattern project
Posted by: WV62
Date: December 20, 2017 09:33PM
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IDXMonster
Ok,that’s more open than I thought you were making,that looks pretty good to me.

I think I gave the impression that I was just opening up a box for each type coin, well I tried that shortly after I got my E-trac, didn't work.

Right now I am not a big fan of just running an open screen. So I started with Andy's S pattern and any numbers for found coins in the ground, I would load them into a box and then expand the open area to include that ID number.

I didn't have any idea where this would take the pattern, if coins like silver dimes started being found all over the pattern I would be back to a open screen. I was a little surprised when I started getting numbers showing up into the upper part of Andy's pattern, but they did and I opened up that upper right hand corner a little.

This evening while the wife thought I was watching TV with her I was looking for more ID numbers and I found 3 more silver dimes that dropped down below center on the right side. I had to cut out another good size section of black to get those included. See new picture

Ron in WV




That actually looks pretty wide open to me...
Posted by: Chris(SoCenWI)
Date: December 21, 2017 07:26PM
I don't think there is much that ever hits in the areas you have discriminated out.

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Re: That actually looks pretty wide open to me...
Posted by: WV62
Date: December 21, 2017 07:59PM
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Chris(SoCenWI)
I don't think there is much that ever hits in the areas you have discriminated out.

Thanks Chris, that is music to my ears.

I have went through 135 pages of threads on this forum and pulled any posted coin ID numbers. The last 35 pages I only added 5 new ID numbers that wasn't picked up in the first 100 pages, so new info is slowing down.

Ron in WV



Worked and lived in the Huntington West Virginia area all my life, retired 2010
US Air Force Vietnam Veteran (68-69 & 70-71)
Started getting into metal detecting around 1975

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Re: Pattern project
Posted by: WV62
Date: December 21, 2017 08:05PM
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pghmole
I disc out to the 24 line and leave the top wide open,ran my e trac and Ctx the same way for 6 years and it's got me well over 1000 silvers and works awesome in dense low co targets listening for the high chirps

Thanks pghmole, for the pattern tip, that was an easy one to make, I will for sure give that a try.

Ron in WV



Worked and lived in the Huntington West Virginia area all my life, retired 2010
US Air Force Vietnam Veteran (68-69 & 70-71)
Started getting into metal detecting around 1975

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Re: Pattern project I think I am done for now
Posted by: WV62
Date: December 22, 2017 06:53PM
These are pretty close to the ones shown above, but I did make some trimming just to open up around some of those fringe coins. I also done one pretty much for coins and another for coins and jewelry.

Hope somebody can find something they can use.

Ron in WV




Re: Pattern project
Posted by: IDXMonster
Date: December 22, 2017 07:00PM
Nice effort putting that together Ron ,let us know how it all works out when you get hunting again.

Pattern project -
Posted by: Rich (Utah)
Date: December 26, 2017 10:06PM
I'm liking what you're doing here WV. Seeing that you opened up and added the SD to the Ferrous 22, 20, 17 lines is helpful. I've had silver dimes bouncing the cursor from those spots back up to the normal range especially in dry dirt and with co-located ferrous. The bouncing cursor and the audio was a give away.

Looks like a good program to me.

BTW, you left Silver Dollar ( S$ ) off your legend.

Let us know how this works for you.

Rich (Utah)



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