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Re: Liberty seated dollars
Posted by: EddieB
Date: February 13, 2018 02:00PM
For all you guys that chimed in and gave me some advice: "THANK YOU" !! Took it to a repicial coin dealer today and it turns out as FORGERY.
Wow is me, Wow is me!!!!!!

Thanks again, EddieBee

Re: Liberty seated dollars
Posted by: IDXMonster
Date: February 13, 2018 02:52PM
Did he state WHY? Was he hoping you were going to throw it in the trash on your way out? What did he specifically say so WE know what to look for?

Re: Liberty seated dollars
Posted by: cz70pro
Date: February 13, 2018 03:26PM
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EddieB
For all you guys that chimed in and gave me some advice: "THANK YOU" !! Took it to a repicial coin dealer today and it turns out as FORGERY.
Wow is me, Wow is me!!!!!!

Thanks again, EddieBee

Did he say if it was a relatively modern forgery or a vintage counterfeit coin? If the latter, it would still have good value as a contemporary counterfeit.

Re: Liberty seated dollars
Posted by: diggervance
Date: February 13, 2018 03:29PM
Hey Eddie,
I have been following your story sorry it's not real but it's still a hell of a find and a hell of a story you can tell for years. I know you can't cash in on stories but still cool never the less.
Rick

Re: Very Sorry to hear that one. I would get another opinion just in case.N/T
Posted by: BigTony
Date: February 13, 2018 04:11PM

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Re: Liberty seated dollars
Posted by: Dale(Ia)
Date: February 13, 2018 07:17PM
Sorry for the bad new's, Eddie! As CZ70 said, is it a new forgery or a contemporary one? I know the feeling (but not as bad!), as I dug an 1832 8 reale that turned out to be a contemporary fake...........

Iowa Dale

Re: Liberty seated dollars
Posted by: EddieB
Date: February 13, 2018 07:24PM
Hey Guys, I like to thank each and everyone of you guys for your help and encouragement. OK HERE IS WHAT I LEARNED TODAY: First thing he noticed was that there was too much detail existing for the amount of depth loss in the wearing of the coin. I myself noticed the edge of the coin was rough and he did too. But the most convincing fact was with the magnet. He show me with a modern Silver Eagle 99.9% with a super magnet: on a smooth surface the magnet had drag with the Silver Eagle,(waving over the coin but not touching it, you could fell the drag and sometimes actually moving the coin a little without rubbing across it. My 1873 had OOO drag. That alone told him and he showed me that it had no silver in the coin. For any of you that never knew that, try it with a silver coin and a clad. The ring or the ping that silver makes was missing. That why I had to know. .....Again you guys have been great thank you all and HH.

EddieBee

Re: Liberty seated dollars
Posted by: EddieB
Date: February 13, 2018 07:26PM
Oh, sorry, it's a new forgery. Thanks,

EddieBee

Re: Liberty seated dollars
Posted by: IDXMonster
Date: February 13, 2018 08:10PM
That doesn’t sound correct. YOUR coin,if either,should have had the drag. 99.9% silver,or even 90%,shouldn’t have had drag. Am I missing something here?? Also,if you’re a counterfeiter,why the added effort of the CC? This would have had to be VERY recently done,at least in the time frame of when the CC minted coins were known to be much higher in value.
The coin doesn’t look that out of whack to me,but I’m no expert in coin collecting. I am fairly good at common sense though,and this situation doesn’t make much.
Can someone enlighten Eddie and me as to how the hell you make 99.9% pure silver magnetic?
You are talking about a coin potentially worth 10,000+ dollars Eddie. Don’t base your judgement on one mans opinion.

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Re: Liberty seated dollars
Posted by: MarkCZ
Date: February 13, 2018 11:26PM
If its a counterfeit then its not really silver, or its only clad! if your certain its a fake then a TINY needle file and on the very edge of the coin
file a little slice into it deep enough to be beyond any plating, keep the metal, if the core metal is the same as the surface metal then have the coin's alloy
tested and the filings. Or, take the coin to another coin expert and DO NOT TELL them where you got the coin from!, if they persist then just tell them
its been in the family for sometime!
I wouldn't just toss it in a junk box without digging into it more myself.
No one is going to counterfeit to the point that its high grade silver to the core!
I mean people try to counterfeit the 43 steel penny, by copper plating it, or altering the date on a 1948 to appear like a 1943,
But these are scams that are easy to detect, I don't like how this is going so far with your coin!!
If it was mine I'd file the edge of it, and if it turns out to be the real deal at lest I'd know and I'd still have, and it would still be worth at lest 90% or more of its value!
Its your coin! I've seen countless Kennedy Half's with cut edges where people wanted to make sure that they were clad, but not knowing that they were silver clad!

Mark



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Re: Liberty seated dollars
Posted by: diggervance
Date: February 14, 2018 06:11AM
Hey Eddie,

That's great advise have it rechecked. I found a gold grill and a ring with no markings. I took them to a gold dealer and was told both were fack.
After looking at these things for a couple of years and asking why would a Jewish ring and a grill you put in your mouth be fake. Two specialty items the teeth that needed fitted and a Jewish star of David ring. So I took them in and had them rested again and guess what both tested 10 k gold. Have it looked at for your piece of mind.

Rick

Re: Liberty seated dollars
Posted by: IDXMonster
Date: February 14, 2018 07:48AM
I’d say even send it to PCGS but I wouldn’t want it in the mail or even in someone else’s possession. Can someone clear up this magnet test he did and why it makes any sense??

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Re: Liberty seated dollars
Posted by: MarkCZ
Date: February 14, 2018 10:50AM
To test the alloy a lot of pawn shops (high end ones anyway) actually have equipment to test metal alloy with.
Call a few in your area and ask them if they can something for you to see if its silver or not, but I'd still test slice
the edge of the coin first to make sure its a SOLID single metal.

Mark

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Re: Liberty seated dollars
Posted by: WV62
Date: February 14, 2018 04:29PM
I would at least get 3 or 4 opinions from the most qualified people you can find. To make a coin like you have I would think it would be really hard to make.

If I was able to make a coin like that I would just go ahead and melt down a couple of silver dollars and make the coin out of the right material. $20 dollars in silver to make a coin worth $10,000, why cut corners if you went to that much trouble.

Just make sure before you give up.

Ron in WV



Worked and lived in the Huntington West Virginia area all my life, retired 2010
US Air Force Vietnam Veteran (68-69 & 70-71)
Started getting into metal detecting around 1975

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Re: Liberty seated dollars
Posted by: MarkCZ
Date: February 14, 2018 05:25PM
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WV62
I would at least get 3 or 4 opinions from the most qualified people you can find. To make a coin like you have I would think it would be really hard to make.

If I was able to make a coin like that I would just go ahead and melt down a couple of silver dollars and make the coin out of the right material. $20 dollars in silver to make a coin worth $10,000, why cut corners if you went to that much trouble.

Just make sure before you give up.

Ron in WV

And if its a "Novelty Counterfeit" then it would be known and there be maybe hundreds of thousands of them floating around, but "Novelty" knock offs are pretty cheesy made.
What's in the middle, or how much is at the surface would most likely tell the tell on this! My coin book doesn't mention any warnings about watching for counterfeits of this coin!!!!

I do know that ALL metal has a certain issue with magnets and that doesn't mean that they have to stick to a magnet either.

Mark



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