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Copper axe head
Posted by: GKMan
Date: September 16, 2013 03:36PM
I was out detecting one of my favorite haunts and recovered this. To me it appears to be an axe head. Images I found online appear similar to this. What do you think? Depth was about 8 inches



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Re: Copper axe head
Posted by: Larry (IL)
Date: September 16, 2013 03:42PM
It sure looks like it could be an axe or wedge but copper would make a poor axe, way too soft.



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Re: Copper axe head
Posted by: GKMan
Date: September 16, 2013 03:44PM
I hear you larry. I was wondering if it could be Native American



Gary
Dutchess County New York
I love The Game of Tones....
Present: Equinox 800.
Past: CTX-3030 Minelab E-Trac, Explorer II, Sovereign
Detecting Since 1984 Using Minelab since mid 90s

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Re: Copper axe head
Posted by: Larry (IL)
Date: September 16, 2013 03:54PM
It sure looks old enough to be :shrug: I'll pass your post onto a guy who might know...... flinthunter (Daryl).........



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Re: Copper axe head
Posted by: GKMan
Date: September 16, 2013 04:01PM
Thanks Larry, of course if that axe was just used to hit people in the noggin it wouldn't have to be too hard. Perhaps ceremonial or just an odd piece of copper?



Gary
Dutchess County New York
I love The Game of Tones....
Present: Equinox 800.
Past: CTX-3030 Minelab E-Trac, Explorer II, Sovereign
Detecting Since 1984 Using Minelab since mid 90s



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/16/2013 04:06PM by GKMan.

Re: Copper axe head
Posted by: flinthunter
Date: September 16, 2013 05:15PM
Nice piece of copper. Hard to tell for sure from the pictures if it is man made or natural but by the shape of the bit and the flat bottom it looks like it might be a ancient woodworking adz.

From the information in your post I am guessing it was found in New York. I'll do some checking and see if I can some links to copper artifacts from your area. Daryl

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Re: Copper axe head
Posted by: GKMan
Date: September 16, 2013 05:34PM
Thank Daryl!
Here are some more images. It was found in a flat area near a stream in soil, not rocks. of course glacil activity could have left it there. Oh, this area was part of the Wappinger indian range.



Gary
Dutchess County New York
I love The Game of Tones....
Present: Equinox 800.
Past: CTX-3030 Minelab E-Trac, Explorer II, Sovereign
Detecting Since 1984 Using Minelab since mid 90s



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/16/2013 05:48PM by GKMan.




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Re: Copper axe head
Posted by: Larry (IL)
Date: September 16, 2013 06:06PM
I wouldn't have thought copper would make a good ax, but it was alloyed and that makes sense. I had to look that up out of courisity and this was an interesting article .....http://www.scienceviews.com/squier/aboriginalmonumentsA-13.html

I think you are onto something Gary....:thumbup:



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Re: Copper axe head
Posted by: flinthunter
Date: September 16, 2013 06:30PM
Here are a couple more interesting links to copper culture artifacts. There are several pictures of celts/axes/adzes that closely resemble yours. Taking the piece to a local artifact show and talking to some of the displayers will help determine what you have. Your new pictures are showing a nicely shaped shank with a flared bit. I think you have a very nice Archaic period artifact. If I can find any artifact shows in your general area I will PM the information to you.

http://copperculture.homestead.com/

http://www.mpm.edu/research-collections/anthropology/online-collections-research/old-copper-culture/artifacts

http://www.copperculture.zoomshare.com/5.shtml/Axe%20Type%20-%20Adze

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Re: Copper axe head
Posted by: GKMan
Date: September 16, 2013 07:25PM
Thanks so much Daryl! If it is what you think it could be I wonder what the age may be.
Earlier I had put a call in to one of the local colleges to see if they could offer anything. If anyone is interested I will keep you informed.



Gary
Dutchess County New York
I love The Game of Tones....
Present: Equinox 800.
Past: CTX-3030 Minelab E-Trac, Explorer II, Sovereign
Detecting Since 1984 Using Minelab since mid 90s

Re: Copper axe head
Posted by: flinthunter
Date: September 16, 2013 07:40PM
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GKMan
Thanks so much Daryl! If it is what you think it could be I wonder what the age may be.
Earlier I had put a call in to one of the local colleges to see if they could offer anything. If anyone is interested I will keep you informed.

Here is a quote from the first link I posted about age. Yours probably dates from the Old Copper Complex.

"There is disagreement among the archeological community as to the time period to ascribe to the Old Copper Complex. Dates range from over 7000 years BP to 3000 years BP. The greatest disagreement seems to be over the beginning age of the Old Copper Complex. Carbon-14 testing of organic materials found with Old Copper Complex artifacts has established a date of at least 6000+ years BP. Carbon testing of wood remains found in sockets of artifacts in our own collection has produced dates as old as 5900+ years BP. Copper continued to be used into proto-historic times, long after the demise of the Old Copper Complex. Many of the copper artifacts from the Old Copper Complex differ from those of later manufacture, with many of the later artifacts being smaller, less utilitarian and more ornamental. Early European traders found native americans using copper tools and weapons wherever copper was available. Many copper artifacts originated in the post-european contact period, native-americans used worn-out and damaged copper pots and other copper trade items to manufacture arrowheads, knives and ornaments. People have always used what was available to them and copper was available for thousands of years."



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Re: Copper axe head
Posted by: bigbuck1975
Date: September 16, 2013 09:52PM
3000-6000 years old would be my guess. From the pics, i would say 95% chance man (native) made. Could have been a tool for fleshing, woodworking, or maybe the axe theory. We find lots of copper native artifacts in michigan. It definately is very large, may have some significant value there.



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Re: Copper axe head
Posted by: glasartisan
Date: September 16, 2013 10:22PM
Hey there GKMan, that is an awesome artifact you have there. That is most likely either what is called a copper celt or an adz. I would say 3000-5500 years old. We find copper artifacts of all sorts here in Wisconsin and the UP. Where there is one piece there likely is more. If you get back you have to try and work the stream also. They almost most certainly speared in the river/stream for fish. Excellent chance for finding copper fish hooks, harpoons and socketed spear points. Thanks for sharing, Steve

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Re: Copper axe head
Posted by: GKMan
Date: September 16, 2013 10:26PM
Thanks folks! Very exciting....



Gary
Dutchess County New York
I love The Game of Tones....
Present: Equinox 800.
Past: CTX-3030 Minelab E-Trac, Explorer II, Sovereign
Detecting Since 1984 Using Minelab since mid 90s

Re: Copper axe head
Posted by: JMT Detectors
Date: September 17, 2013 03:32AM
That may be one of your most valuable finds yet. Historically and actual collectors value. Just a great find!



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