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DeepTech detectors, I just don't understand
Posted by: SkiWhiz
Date: September 04, 2013 02:21PM
I don't have or ever had any of the DeepTech detectors but I have done alot of reading about them. Everyone says they are a deep detector (that's a good thing), they are fast (that's a good thing), but what I don't understand is that why folks say that they are a good relic hunter,etc..... but not a good coin or jewelry hunter because of their discrimination or lack of. No matter what detector I have I set the disc. to just knock out a small nail, so I can't understand why a DeepTech wouldn't be a good detector even if their disc. only knocks out iron and foil.

Re: DeepTech detectors, I just don't understand
Posted by: TellYaWhut
Date: September 04, 2013 07:10PM
The Vista line of metal detectors are great at seperating non-ferrous from ferrous (iron). They have a low range discriminator and thus large foil is about the limit of metal discrimination. The Vista's as you mentioned are deep and combined with its unmasking abilities are excellent at finding ANY non-ferrous targets including coins. It is a one or two tone machine (no visual meter), a pulltab will have the same tone as a coin. Along with successfully finding coins you'll end up with a truck load of non-ferrous junk. The Vista's are one of the best detectors in an old battlefield.......really any area where even the junk is ancient and of value. Relic metal detector.

Re: DeepTech detectors, I just don't understand
Posted by: amcjavelin
Date: September 05, 2013 06:32PM
on the Vista gold and rg 1000 I had I could tell you if it was a pull tab or not a pulltab has a signature nuance to it you will get a split second spit over it and just after the sweep but you do have to use the treasurewise head phones or calrads to hear it I tried a high priced pair and couldn't tell the differences with it

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Re: DeepTech detectors, I just don't understand
Posted by: Keith Southern
Date: September 10, 2013 09:32PM
Exactly Ski....If you are more into dig it all,, but the worlds most common metal ( Nail's) then the Deeptech's will serve you well.....

I hunt alot of old habitation sites that have bend hunted to death over and over so anything that reads above a nail is worth investigating...

actually if you cant precisely dial in the nail rejection in some of my sites you will walk away empty handed...

So the precise razor edge rejection a fuller iron spread disc only allow's will unmask more..Also a fast tight ellitpical DD will do wonders plus the ability to allow the machine to have 2 tone's that split's the tone where you set the disc offer's even more audible intelligence to the hunt...if you allow the machine to just free flow the audio instead of having to say report then null then report then null you allow the machine to unmask a bit better in tight iron by just kepping the audio gate open and just letting it flow like water....

the Deeptechs are designed for unlocking iron laden sites...I find the Gold to work the best for me of the Deeptech's, some like the Smart...

I am just a High freq, tight DD type hunter so the 25kHz the Gold offers is very enticing to me in looking for small brass in iron...and it should be a go to for a jewelry hunter...actually a no brainer....Unless you are on a saltwater beach environment....

I think the Deeptech's especially the gold are on a level playing field for unlocking an iron site with the best out there right now if you want to use 2 tone's...

I have tried alot of the Euro machine's here of late and the Deeptech especially the gold for me is as good as there is for unmasking in iron when comapring to the european detector's...when used properly and accordingly...

theres alot of great detectors made today in the States and in other parts of the world but if you like to use nail reject and like to find low conductors in iron by using more than a single tone then the Deeptechs are very competitive..

Keith

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Re: DeepTech detectors, I just don't understat
Posted by: SkiWhiz
Date: September 11, 2013 08:31PM
Thanks everyone for your input and special thanks to you Keith, I watch your videos and really enjoy them. I have been detectorless for most of the summer (first time in along time) due to selling my detector for needed $$$. It will probably be winter time (tax return) when I will be able to afford a detector and will look long and hard at the Deeptech's. I think that Ithey would be right up my alley as I like and am used to using the beep & dig Tesoro's and the Minlab Musketeer's.

Re: DeepTech detectors, I just don't understand
Posted by: planetaryjunkman
Date: September 12, 2013 03:57AM
OP here in the UK l have been using a Deeptect Vista Smart for over a year and l have tried other machines costing 3x more,the XP Deus for instance, but never sell my Smart, it does everything l want it to do.
A deep machine, l think l find large hammered coins deeper than l have with any other machine in almost 25 years detecting, on the flip side it finds tiny non ferrous items, tiny Roman minims only a few millimeters diameter, what more would anyone want from a machine?

The Deus l had for a few weeks was ok, but thats all, just ok, for a machine 3x more expensive all l found good was the fact it was wireless, but what a pain charging everything up all the time and worrying ,on site, if one of the componants was going to run out! It can be deep with the right program, but l found myself tweaking this and that, swapping programs, wondering if if everything was working in unison together, instead of actually detecting :blink:

My Smart works on most sites without needing to touch anything, maybe a tweak on the GB, but just switch on and go, what a pleasure to use, and no l do not work for Deeptech, l just tell as l find.The Smart is not perfect, what machine is? Here in the UK we get hot rocks and coke, the Smart finds it difficult to disc these out, but after a while you can tell the difference and ignore them, small price to pay for all the positives the Smart offers.

Some muppets in the UK have moaned about build quality, yes, the Smart is never going to win any beauty prizes for its looks, but for me its all about what a machine finds, and l`ve used the Smart for over a year, the Gold for a good 6 months and have never broken anything on any of them.If you`re the type that just slings a machine in the boot of your car and pays no heed to looking after a sensitive electrical instrument, then the Vistas are probably not for you! Take care of them and they will pay for themselves several times over, mine have.

Bare in mind, if they were made to the build quality of the Deus etc, they would`nt be the

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Re: DeepTech detectors, I just don't understand
Posted by: Southwind
Date: September 12, 2013 04:27AM
My experience has been if you turn the discrimination way down pretty much all detectors have the same depth and recovery. If you are not a dig-it-all type hunter, like myself, then discrimination abilities becomes much more a factor when buying a detector.



The real treasure is in the hunt...

Re: DeepTech detectors, I just don't understand
Posted by: planetaryjunkman
Date: September 12, 2013 05:00AM
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Southwind
My experience has been if you turn the discrimination way down pretty much all detectors have the same depth and recovery. If you are not a dig-it-all type hunter, like myself, then discrimination abilities becomes much more a factor when buying a detector.

Sorry, but l disagree, l`ve used all the top machines over the years and l use minimum disc all the time and go by what my ears tell me and l can quite catagorically say l have never dug hammered silver coins at the depth my Smart gets them and that includes Minelabs, not the CTX3030, because quite honestly, l would never pay that kind of money for any detector.

If your statement is true, why spend rediculous money on your CTX3030 if you think all machnes have the same depth capabilities?From your list l have used DFX, Deus, F75 normal and Ltd, Explorer SE, X-Terra 70, Sov GT and near enough all Tesoro`s since the Silver Sabre mk1 and none can come close to the Smart.

My only experience with the CTX3030 is watching a lad who comes with us, he`s a para and often overseas, but he can only work the perimeters of fields, he never ventures in the middle because his CTX can`t cope with contaminated ancient sites, last time out he was thinking of going back to a Deus as `it was much more enjoyable` and he found more.

We have done comparison tests and all my mates recognise how deep the Smart goes, so not all machines do the same job, see the videos, you can`t see the difference between the Smart, Gold and RG1000?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/12/2013 05:07AM by planetaryjunkman.

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Re: DeepTech detectors, I just don't understand
Posted by: Southwind
Date: September 12, 2013 06:48AM
Hey no need to apologize because you have a difference in opinion.

In your case I can see where you have little need for features. Kind of like someone living in an area where it remains 70 degrees most of the time would put little importance on having a car with air conditioning.

I also have owned all the top models, including the CTX 3030, and have found the high-end features most important. Now 20 years ago I was your typical dig it all hunter and the basic beep-N-dig machine was my choice. In fact, I was the person who would argue with others about the use of all those fancy"bells & whistles". Now is a different story. I'm what I like to call a selective hunter, some may call it 'cherry picking". I don't need to dig every chirp and peep to feel I'm getting all the good stuff and not leaving goodies behind. I have taken the best there is and gone back over the spots I did my selective hunting and found nothing I missed to tell me I should be digging it all. My time is far more valuable now, due to having less, so I need to make it count and that means selective recovery. I go home with pretty much nothing but keepers and it takes a very good machine to do that reliably. I know I'm not going to go home feeling I've got the goods with a $400 or less detector. I've tried most them all and they fail. Great for the dig it all people, but just not for the selective hunter like me.

To clarify, they all pretty much have the same depth IF all you plan to do is turn the discrimination off. Where the money machines shine is being able to tell the user to recover or not. That my friend is worth the money for me. If you're going to dig it all then why spend the money for a full featured machine?



The real treasure is in the hunt...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/12/2013 07:05AM by Southwind.

Re: DeepTech detectors, I just don't understand
Posted by: liaso
Date: September 12, 2013 09:35AM
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My experience has been if you turn the discrimination way down pretty much all detectors have the same depth and recovery. If you are not a dig-it-all type hunter, like myself, then discrimination abilities becomes much more a factor when buying a detector.

Sorry, but l disagree, l`ve used all the top machines over the years and l use minimum disc all the time and go by what my ears tell me and l can quite catagorically say l have never dug hammered silver coins at the depth my Smart gets them and that includes Minelabs, not the CTX3030, because quite honestly, l would never pay that kind of money for any detector.

If your statement is true, why spend rediculous money on your CTX3030 if you think all machnes have the same depth capabilities?From your list l have used DFX, Deus, F75 normal and Ltd, Explorer SE, X-Terra 70, Sov GT and near enough all Tesoro`s since the Silver Sabre mk1 and none can come close to the Smart.

My only experience with the CTX3030 is watching a lad who comes with us, he`s a para and often overseas, but he can only work the perimeters of fields, he never ventures in the middle because his CTX can`t cope with contaminated ancient sites, last time out he was thinking of going back to a Deus as `it was much more enjoyable` and he found more.

We have done comparison tests and all my mates recognise how deep the Smart goes, so not all machines do the same job, see the videos, you can`t see the difference between the Smart, Gold and RG1000?


Please tell me how is the Smart compared with Tejon?

Liaso

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Re: DeepTech detectors, I just don't understand
Posted by: Southwind
Date: September 12, 2013 09:49AM
Well I've done more than my share of comparison tests(see my youtube channel for DCDetector) and found most to be a bit manipulated, to put it kindly. You can find a video to support pretty much any concept you have, problems is, they can't all be right, right? I've always had good luck putting my money of what I see the majority reporting as good and what is being used. The Smart/Gold and RG1000 might be the cats whiskers over in the UK, but here in the US it's a whole different situation. I can assure you IF the Smart was a top contender here on US soil, it would be in the list of top used machines. As an example I use the E-Trac. Not a US made machine but without a doubt a top rated US used detector. Why? because it has proved itself as a top contender. Cream will always rise to the top on reputation alone.



The real treasure is in the hunt...

Re: DeepTech detectors, I just don't understand
Posted by: liaso
Date: September 12, 2013 10:25AM
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Southwind
Well I've done more than my share of comparison tests(see my youtube channel for DCDetector) and found most to be a bit manipulated, to put it kindly. You can find a video to support pretty much any concept you have, problems is, they can't all be right, right? I've always had good luck putting my money of what I see the majority reporting as good and what is being used. The Smart/Gold and RG1000 might be the cats whiskers over in the UK, but here in the US it's a whole different situation. I can assure you IF the Smart was a top contender here on US soil, it would be in the list of top used machines. As an example I use the E-Trac. Not a US made machine but without a doubt a top rated US used detector. Why? because it has proved itself as a top contender. Cream will always rise to the top on reputation alone.

I'm sure that there is subjectivity in some reviews :)...but maybe there is someone who used them both and have an opinion concerning them..I have a Vista Smart which i think is a good detector but i feel that i need something deeper..


Thanks,
Liaso

Re: DeepTech detectors, I just don't understand
Posted by: planetaryjunkman
Date: September 12, 2013 11:05AM
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I can assure you IF the Smart was a top contender here on US soil, it would be in the list of top used machines.

Maybe the fact its `NOT` in the list of top used machines tells you something? Why would anyone want to judge a machine in the top of a used detector list, people sell their used machines if they don`t rate them, surely if they`re not selling them it speaks volumes?

l can only go on my findings and it works for me, l dug the pictured object from at least 18" and the iniatial signal was barely a whisper, it got stronger and stronger as l dug down, ok ,its only a large lump of lead weighing almost 1lb, a counterweight or similar, but could easily have been a pot of Roman coins or bronze age axe head, l have never dug anything like that at depth before with any machine.

l agree with you a lot of machines do do the same, find items in the first few inches, but the Smart is different. Years ago, and now with most machines, anything more than 10" -12" was invarably a bit chuck of iron, but not with the Smart, you have to dig all deep signals, yes some are iron, but the amount of times it surprises you and its something worth digging never seizes to amaze me.No other machines have shocked me ,at times, like the Smart.

Thats why l`m keeping mine, as for the E-Trac, its got its place, but if you want to dig 50 holes in a session instead of 200 thats the E-Trac, surely the more holes/targets you dig the greater percentage of good finds over bad will be?

Liaso...its a Tesoro...sensitive to small items but no depth, like all Tesoro`s.




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Planet...seems to me you know your unit well
Posted by: therover
Date: September 12, 2013 12:11PM
If that Smart gave a whisper signal and that made you investigate it, that means you know what to listen for.

The DeepTechs give off some mean audio, and once you learn those sounds and differences, a lot of deep and good low conductive targets will be found.

Re: Planet...seems to me you know your unit well
Posted by: planetaryjunkman
Date: September 12, 2013 01:00PM
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therover
If that Smart gave a whisper signal and that made you investigate it, that means you know what to listen for.

The DeepTechs give off some mean audio, and once you learn those sounds and differences, a lot of deep and good low conductive targets will be found.

Ohhh yeah...always rely on your ears rather than a meter, meters can be wrong :thumbup:

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