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I have been watching the posts about the two new machines on the TD forum the past couple of weeks or so. There are two guys who call themselves the Mayor and Smegma PI I think. It sounded pretty far fetched what they were saying, but it got me interested. I asked a couple of questions and they told me to check them out against other machines at a dealers.
Thats exactly what I did. I spent a vacation day from work checking the Vaquero and Cibola out against some others I was interested in. I actually only handled the Vaquero since I wanted GB in whatever machine I bought. The Vaquero was a nice machine, but it did not compare against a machine or two that I was also interested in. I stated this over on the other forum for them to read and I did not mention the other machines name which I bought, out of courtesy to the tesoro forum. That post was deleted within minutes. The machine I bought was compared to the Vaquero while actually relic hunting with my dealer and also on some very deep relics and coins in a test garden of his. Some of these targets have been buried for years. There were some signals from the Vaquero which were one way or very iffy on some extrememly deep minnie balls and quarters. These same targets produced solid good signals on the machine I bought. These two guys plus others were specifically referencing the Vaquero to beating hell out of the machine in which I bought. I now know they are full of BS and are misleading people on how they sell their machines. And they will not allow anyone to give a fair comparison. I have owned several tesoros and still have one in my closet. They are great machines. But I sure hope that the Giffords do not condone how that other forum is hyping a very good product of theirs. I'd post this over there, but itwould be deleted. Sorry for ranting...George
 
The TD tesoro forum used to be the "official" Tesoro forum. After TR and all his narrow minded BS pissed too many people off, Tesoro made their own forum. I think it was a good move. The bad thing about the TD forums is, if they dont like what you say, they delete it. And god forbid you say anything negative about the Tejon. TR would stand up for that machine before he would his own child. I have had my go-rounds with that man. I only go there to check out the classifieds from time to time. Findmall seems to have decent people. HH
 
I like to read the other forum, and hesitate to post this, because I was banned one other time over there, but I think its odd whats going on with those two as well. They showed back up(I had never heard of them before...but I guess they are pioneers on the forums)right at the same time as the two new detectors. And, according to them, you might just have to dig to china to retrieve your next target. I bet they are pretty nice detectors, and I sure would like to try one some time, but the hype seems staged and overbearing. I've kinda cut back reading the tesoro forum over there because of them.
J.
 
The cibola should be getting coin size targets at 16". Ill beleive that when my s*** turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbert. There is always gonna be people hyping up EVERY new machine as they come out but they could at least keep it realistic. LMAO!!
 
and what impressed you about it compared with the Vaquero?
<EM><STRONG>Monte
MonteVB@comcast.net
 
Hey George...The only thing worse that hyping a machine is telling only half of the story...now if you really bought a detector that beat the Tesoros tell us what it is. Your post will not be deleted here. Please do not take this post as being nasaty toward you , but I am sure that several other posters here would really like to know what machine you are talkinig about. I know I would.
 
First off,I have been using tesoro's for many years along with White's and Fishers as well. I also have a Troy Shadow X2. I still use a White's Pro XL or XL Pro,can't keep the names straight. I also use my X2 with a 10 1/2 inch Tesoro concentric coil. The only Fisher I have left is a 1280X Aquanaut for the water. I also have a Tesoro Pantera which is one of my favorites. I had an itch to buy another detector and that's when I saw all the fuss going on about the Vaquero and Cibola.
My dealer spent dang near the entire day with me. He took me to a relic hunting site of his and we also compared loads of signals in his test garden which is loaded with various types of targets alongside trash, with no trash, etc. I asked him about what was going on with all them posts. He told me that he stays out of it, but it is mostly BS. he said the two machines are good ones, but that those two people have more vested in their posts than just selling Tesoro machines. He asked me how many dealers I saw taking part in the conversation and I guess I didn't see any, at least any that I know are dealers. He said I won't see many either because the dealers want to keep their integrity intact.
The Vaquero was an Excellent machine according to him and I felt the same way about it. He said that others will beat it in depth however. During the relic hunt, we compared each and every target. I had one of his Shadow X-5's and he had the Vaquero. We did not find any targets that either detector would not find. We dug targets to about 8 inches. He had a ruler so that there was no guessing. We then compared signals in his test garden and that is where the depth performance between the two machines was proven. The Shadow X-5 was the detector I mentioned that hit targets very cleanly that the Vaquero would have a weak or one way signal. There was no comparison in his test garden. He showed me and demonstrated the discrimination and sensitivity controls on both machines just so that I would see that there was no parlor trick going on. them guys have been saying that the Vaqero beat hell out of the Shadow. that is just not true, at least in this soil.
There was one other thing he did to show me. Before we left to his relic site, he turned on a Shadow X-5 and a Tesoro bandido Umax and let the garden sprinkler 'rain' on them for the couple of hours we were gone. When we got back, the X5 was still working perfect and the bandido was erratic and sick sounding. He said it was best to use a bag over the X5 in hard rain for some extra insurance, but that it was pretty well weather proof as stated.
So, thats my experience and the Shadow is what I bought. It cost more, but for me it was worth it. What them two guys are saying about the new Tesoro machines being darn good detectors is certainly true, but they are also saying some things which are not true. I don't care what anyone uses to hunt with and I just like to have a good time when I get to go out. I just do not like to be misled. Good machines...yes they are, but why hype to the extent they are. Good hunting to all of you. Thanks for your responses. George
 
I would hope a machine that costs twice as much could do something the cheaper one couldnt. LOL Kinda like comparing the cibola to a compadre. <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol"> I do hear excellant things about the X-5 though. Good luck with it.
 
I have used many detectors and i know just one <STRONG>single frequency detector</STRONG> that is deeper....the Shadow X5.I testet them side by side.
But i own two Vaqueros now ( one with the 5.75 coil on it all the time, the other with stock coil).
I like the Vaquero better because i like to thumb the disc to check a target and the detector is very stable.I know the X5 is a little deeper, but it cost over twice as much.If somebody like the X5 better and is willing to spend the money...OK with me.
Everybody can use what he likes best and i am happy we have so many detectors to choose from.
HH,
Andy
 
Jack used to post here from time to time and since they sponsor it I'm sure they check it occasionally.
The Mayor, Ron Hyer, has been around the forums since 1997 but hasn't posted much the last 3 or 4 years. He owned Search Scan Electronics and manufactured the SeachScan detectors back in the early 1990's. He always seemed to be an OK guy but always liked to have a little fun stirring things up. Jim Pugh, MagnumPI, built the Barracuda underwater pulse detectors and the couple of times I met him he seemed to be a nice, helpful guy also. Don't remember when he came on the forums but it hasn't been that long. One thing, where they hunt is ideal conditions. Sandy loam with no mineralization, similar to white sand beachs or air tests, and just about all detectors except the multifrequency Minelabs will go deeper than in most places. Last, I may be wrong but I think their promotion of the new Tesoro models is aimed more at Troy Galloway and his Shadow X5 and X3 than at other detectors. It has to do with the widescan coil for the Shadows and is one reason they're not available yet. I defended Jim Pugh just a little on the Shadow forum when the deal went off kilter and got jumped on, more through emails than on the forum. Whatever the reason, the way they're presenting themselves is out of character from the way they've always been. Not defending them, I couldn't care less regardless of the reason, but it's different from the way they've been in the past.
JB
 
And i have to say: you are right on.
Have fun with the X5, it's a great detector.
Andy
 
But I do appreciate Georges honesty. I like to see civil debate, and I like to see comparisons since I dont have the money to run out and do it myself <img src="/metal/html/cry.gif" border=0 width=40 height=15 alt=":cry"> . Thanks to everyone for their posts!
J.
 
The X5 is an excellent detector, the best construction quality I've seen in a detector, and has excellent depth in our mild ground but no deeper than some other detectors I've used and not as deep as a couple. Very easy to use and the light weight is a plus but I never cared for it much and after putting 45-50 hours on it I stuck it in the closet and never used it again. I gave it to my youngest daughter last weekend. She has it on Ebay right now, along with a 7 inch coil with lower rod and a set of the New Troy headphones.
JB
 
I know of what you talk about in your testing with your dealer the other day and have made the same findings. I saw a post "over there" the other day saying the V & C came in second to the Tejon and all three would smoke the machine you bought hands down. I had a post ready to go but figured, "why bother as it'll just be deleted as soon as it's seen by "The Godfather" <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol"> and I also figured it ain't my job to try and save the world so if folks allow themselves to believe all that stuff, well..... then I guess they'll just perhaps have to learn the hard way. <img src="/metal/html/frown.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":("> Here's the post I was going to make....
Results may vary and from what I'm seeing at my location, they do. I've been testing my Eldorado, Vaquero, and X-5 with each other. The Vaquero is an improvement over the Eldorado although the discriminator is a tad more noisy in REALLY heavy iron. MY X-5 easily outperforms MY Vaquero in air tests, in ground depth, and quietness. I have no reason to doubt you've seen what you say you've seen but my tests using these particular three detectors in the local soil don't concur with yours. My soil runs anywhere from 65 to 98 with the bulk of it being in the 85 to 95 range (using the DC phase reading from an MXT and DFX). As for the Tejon, I can only go on memory and a few bits of data I jotted down at the time I had it. It is very similar to the Vaquero in it's performance and handling although the Vaquero seems to outperform the Tejon I had both for depth of detection and general handling "manners". The Tejon was a little more
 
Hey Joe,
You grab a Cibola and I'll use my Compadre. Let me pick the trash pile, and the Compadre will clean your clock........ <img src="/metal/html/wink.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=";)">
Don't sell that little machine short. It has it's place.
Ralph
 
Quite a different crowd over here. Someone said that they hope my choice of machine does better since it cost twice as much. It really wasn't twice the cost, but considerably more expensive I agree. Thats really not the point I was making though. Cost is one thing, what was being said over at the other forum was just hogwash. There were other qualities about my choice that I thought made it worth the extra bucks. My main hunting is relic hunting in fields that get plowed every year. An extra inch or two of depth can mean a killer relic that I would have passed up. One nice Confederate button will more than make up any cost difference if I should decide to sell the that button. I'm glad you guys like to talk sensibly and have a few laughs at the same time. Thanks again since I thought my post was going to disappear when I first posted and best of luck to you who choose that Vaquero or Cibola. Nice machines. HH
 
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