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hawgdawg

Well-known member
What you just wrote is just complete stupidity and a complete lie.
I've read stuff you've posted that was lies as well. We both get our info from the media and other places ,, all of which are suspected of possible mistruths. I could possibly be wrong,,, I can admit that ,,, but you'll have to prove I'm wrong ,, I'm not going to just take your word for it ,,, not with your track record on here.
And i thought about it ,, for less than a minute ,,, and being called stupid from someone like you ,,, just didn't seem to bother me.
 

midalake

TROLL
I've read stuff you've posted that was lies as well. We both get our info from the media and other places ,, all of which are suspected of possible mistruths. I could possibly be wrong,,, I can admit that ,,, but you'll have to prove I'm wrong ,, I'm not going to just take your word for it ,,, not with your track record on here.
And i thought about it ,, for less than a minute ,,, and being called stupid from someone like you ,,, just didn't seem to bother me.
HERE: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

The truth will NEVER hurt you! Promise! Also I did not call you stupid, please read again. Thanks.
 

Micheal_R

Moderator
Staff member
If I might add also, that one has to be mentally stable in order to be a volunteer.
I was a technologist in Victoria General Hospital before I retired [Cardiorams, Pulmonary functions, Encephalograms, mylograms, etc]..

I am volunteering at our local hospital .. doing what i can.. They are exceptionally cautious when it comes to cleanliness, and sterilization..

I have health issues [do not we all... :) ].. some pretty serious..

But people with training in the medical field are required.. and I am willing to do what I can

Fair winds

micheal
 

Greg(E.Tn)

Well-known member
Hawgdawg, attached is an article relating that NYC stats saw a recent spike in C-Virus deaths because they just decided to inflate those numbers with cases that were not tested for the C-Virus, but had similar symptoms:

" 3,778 who were never tested, but whose death certificates list the cause of death as “COVID-19 or an equivalent,”

3778 classified as C-Virus deaths who WERE NEVER TESTED. :laugh:

Now, I imagine a lot of these were people who died at places other than a hospital, but you are correct, sir, none of these people tested positive for C-19--it is being assumed that they died of the disease.


And then, you have the Dems doing stuff like this:

" According to sources close to Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer and her Covid-19 task force, the state has been ‘banking’ numbers of people sick with the virus to use later. The numbers come from old cases but have not been released."

" The intent is to “create the perception of a new surge”, according to the source who agreed to share the information on condition of anonymity. The idea is if a new surge can be shown, “the Governor can justify her lockdown on businesses and people”. "

How do you like that?

 
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hawgdawg

Well-known member
Hawgdawg, attached is an article relating that NYC stats saw a recent spike in C-Virus deaths because they just decided to inflate those numbers with cases that were not tested for the C-Virus, but had similar symptoms:

" 3,778 who were never tested, but whose death certificates list the cause of death as “COVID-19 or an equivalent,”

3778 classified as C-Virus deaths who WERE NEVER TESTED. :laugh:

Now, I imagine a lot of these were people who died at places other than a hospital, but you are correct, sir, none of these people tested positive for C-19--it is being assumed that they died of the disease.


And then, you have the Dems doing stuff like this:

" According to sources close to Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer and her Covid-19 task force, the state has been ‘banking’ numbers of people sick with the virus to use later. The numbers come from old cases but have not been released."

" The intent is to “create the perception of a new surge”, according to the source who agreed to share the information on condition of anonymity. The idea is if a new surge can be shown, “the Governor can justify her lockdown on businesses and people”. "

How do you like that?

Thank you Greg ,,,
 

midalake

TROLL
I seriously doubt we will be at 150,000 dead by June. The death rate is stabilizing or going down in most areas.
Democrats and Liberals couldn’t be happier than to have this crisis.
Gentlemen, Hope I didn't start something.
But we get trolled upon from time to time, too.
I've read stuff you've posted that was lies as well. We both get our info from the media and other places
We are SMASHING through 70,000 dead today!!!! ANOTHER 20,000 dead in just 11 days. Trump was right, so much WINNING! we are wining at death. Also all of those wonderful republican's protesting???? Rifles, swastikas , loser confederate flags. SO CONFUSING!, Nazi war crimes protest?, 2nd amendment rights protest? Anit-slavery protest? WHO KNOWS????? No doubt enough nutters there to make a truck full of peanut butter.

YUP WINNING!!!!!!!!!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
 

hawgdawg

Well-known member
It amazes me at the number of people that blame Trump , or any 1 person for this virus outbreak . Why isn't anyone other than Trump blaming China . So stupid . These people are hipocrits , at best ,,, Trump ,, thank god ,,, is building a wall , to protect our country ,,, and he's called a racist's and any other name they can come up with . When Trump stopped travel from China and any other country ,, he was called a racists . And that was in late January . If Trump had stopped travel into this country the 1st of December ,,,, the dimwit dimocrats heads would have exploded . I can't figure it out ,, Trump stops travel ,, and he's a racists ,,, Trump does nothing ,, and he's ostricized ,,, And if Trump had of stopped travel in December,, , and we never had a case of this virus ,,, imagine the dictator they would be professing Trump to be ,,,, and not to think about another impeachment hearing . Trump touted the drug Hydroxychloroquine as a remedy for this virus ,,,because it actually works ,,, and the democrats banned it for use against this virus . And , when the they were talking about shutting down parts of the country , quarantines ,,, the 3rd in place of the Presidents seat was out telling people to get out and shop , buy , eat out in public . And now the dems are pushing as hard as they can to keep everything shut down as to kill any chance of an economic recovery .
Since before Trump took the oath of office , the dems have fought against Trump , and have done nothing for this country ,, not even for their own constituents . So if the US crashes completely , because of the dems fight , and hatred of Trump ,,, the public will be the ones that suffers , dems and republicans alike ,,, but it will most likely be the dems fault , just because of their hatred of Trump . But hey ,,, don't none of you dimocrats out there worry ,,, when your heros run the country in the ground ,, don't worry ,,, your heros have been getting paid 175,000 plus a year to carry on that fight ,,, they haven't suffered any , they are well fed , fat and happy , and protected ,, and well rested to carry on that fight . Don't worry tho ,,, they'll get around to addressing your needs once they have defeated Trump ,, and pushed every republican out of office in the country ,,, just as soon as they accomplish that mission ,,, they'll get around to worrying about you . And if Trump get's re-elected ,,, don't worry ,,, it's just 4 more years of them doing nothing for you and your family . Don't worry ,,, they are well paid , fed , happy and protected ,,, but they are carrying on your fight . Don't worry ,,, tell your kids ,, when they're hungry at night ,,, that everything will be fine as soon as they get Trump out of office ,,, but by then ,,, you'll be about used to the socialistic lifestyle ,,, because the dems have just been preparing you for the socialistic lifestyle that you have been wanting . And all of this happened because Trump tried to preserve the life , liberty and the pursuit of happiness that your Constitution granted you .
 

Confetrit

Well-known member
It amazes me at the number of people that blame Trump , or any 1 person for this virus outbreak . Why isn't anyone other than Trump blaming China . So stupid . These people are hipocrits , at best ,,, Trump ,, thank god ,,, is building a wall , to protect our country ,,, and he's called a racist's and any other name they can come up with . When Trump stopped travel from China and any other country ,, he was called a racists . And that was in late January . If Trump had stopped travel into this country the 1st of December ,,,, the dimwit dimocrats heads would have exploded . I can't figure it out ,, Trump stops travel ,, and he's a racists ,,, Trump does nothing ,, and he's ostricized ,,, And if Trump had of stopped travel in December,, , and we never had a case of this virus ,,, imagine the dictator they would be professing Trump to be ,,,, and not to think about another impeachment hearing . Trump touted the drug Hydroxychloroquine as a remedy for this virus ,,,because it actually works ,,, and the democrats banned it for use against this virus . And , when the they were talking about shutting down parts of the country , quarantines ,,, the 3rd in place of the Presidents seat was out telling people to get out and shop , buy , eat out in public . And now the dems are pushing as hard as they can to keep everything shut down as to kill any chance of an economic recovery .
Since before Trump took the oath of office , the dems have fought against Trump , and have done nothing for this country ,, not even for their own constituents . So if the US crashes completely , because of the dems fight , and hatred of Trump ,,, the public will be the ones that suffers , dems and republicans alike ,,, but it will most likely be the dems fault , just because of their hatred of Trump . But hey ,,, don't none of you dimocrats out there worry ,,, when your heros run the country in the ground ,, don't worry ,,, your heros have been getting paid 175,000 plus a year to carry on that fight ,,, they haven't suffered any , they are well fed , fat and happy , and protected ,, and well rested to carry on that fight . Don't worry tho ,,, they'll get around to addressing your needs once they have defeated Trump ,, and pushed every republican out of office in the country ,,, just as soon as they accomplish that mission ,,, they'll get around to worrying about you . And if Trump get's re-elected ,,, don't worry ,,, it's just 4 more years of them doing nothing for you and your family . Don't worry ,,, they are well paid , fed , happy and protected ,,, but they are carrying on your fight . Don't worry ,,, tell your kids ,, when they're hungry at night ,,, that everything will be fine as soon as they get Trump out of office ,,, but by then ,,, you'll be about used to the socialistic lifestyle ,,, because the dems have just been preparing you for the socialistic lifestyle that you have been wanting . And all of this happened because Trump tried to preserve the life , liberty and the pursuit of happiness that your Constitution granted you .
Well said. I wonder how most Dim's resume's would read it they were ever put in a position to find a real job. Let's see........Professional Hater. Spewing of Hatred and Disrespect for our Commander in Chief, and for our country, and All things American, and our American way of life.
 

jmaclen

Well-known member
2017 H3N2 Influenza outbreak
61,000 dead in the USA
10,000 dead in Texas alone
Cowboys played on Monday Night Football
Pandemic or hysteria?
Pandemic is when there is a serious illness that is highly contagious, can seriously injure and kill people easily and for which there is no treatment or cure.

2016 through 2018 the predominate influenza strains were H3N2 and H1N1 with some mutations according to the CDC. Also according to the CDC the seasonal flu shot vaccines for both of those years were directed towards those two flu strains. Unfortunately, less than 60% of the US population older than 6 months received flu shots for whatever reason????? Also, yearly flu vaccines are not 100% accurate against the seasonal flu strains that actually occur.

Hopefully when there is a Covid 19 vaccine it will actually work and people will be able to get one easily and for very little money or free.

Jeff
 
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Greg(E.Tn)

Well-known member
Jeff, that's what I am worried about. :biggrin:

There's been a lot of discussion here about the dangers surrounding vaccines, the politics and greed influencing the selection of this drug over that drug, etc..

SteveO posted a video of a medical expert with first hand knowledge regarding various vaccines and drugs engineered to combat everything from HIV to Ebola to Swine Flu to MERS, and there have been issues with all of them.

Based on my research and actual use of the drugs on real patients, it's obvious hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is more successful and works faster to cure a C-19 patient than Remdesivir, and it's also far, far cheaper.

I'm also convinced that certain powers to be are pushing Remdesivir over HCQ because they can make beaucoup money off it.

Call me conspiratorial, but I do believe certain experts in positions of control intentionally stonewall the use of certain drugs as prophylactics, because if those drugs are successful in treating C-19, the need for a vaccine becomes far less urgent.

If it were me in charge, I tell medical professionals to use whatever works, disseminate your success here and abroad, and find a way to kick this virus's butt, while at the same time have virology experts working 24/7 on a cure---a vaccine.

I think that's exactly what's going on, but there are key figures who want to be in the BIG money, and there's going to be a huge fight to own the vaccine, and control it.

Think about it this way: what if there WAS a vaccine, and China owned it? :biggrin:

Talk about holding the world hostage...…...

Would EVER we get it? Key point: they have yet to share all of their research items with us. You can sure bet they are working to beat us to the mark.

Call me on it if I turn out to be wrong, but I'm afraid a true vaccine will be at LEAST 8 months away from being approved, and at least a year before we see it in the doctor's office.


Pandemic is when there is a serious illness that is highly contagious, can seriously injure and kill people easily and for which there is no treatment or cure.

2016 through 2018 the predominate influenza strains were H3N2 and H1N1 with some mutations according to the CDC. Also according to the CDC the seasonal flu shot vaccines for both of those years were directed towards those two flu strains. Unfortunately, less than 60% of the US population older than 6 months received flu shots for whatever reason?????

Hopefully when there is a Covid 19 vaccine shot people will be able to get one easily and for very little money or free.

Jeff
 

midalake

TROLL
It amazes me at the number of people that blame Trump
Spewing of Hatred and Disrespect for our Commander in Chief, and for our country
Pandemic is when there is a serious illness that is highly contagious, can seriously injure and kill people easily and for which there is no treatment or cure.
Call me on it if I turn out to be wrong, but I'm afraid a true vaccine will be at LEAST 8 months away from being approved, and at least a year before we see it in the doctor's office.
SMASHED through 80,000 dead now. 10,000 dead IN ONLY 4 DAYS. ALSO, VERY DISTURBING over 25,000 new cases JUST TODAY VERY disturbing!

YET
what does Trump do???? DENIES the CDC from publishing RECOMMEMDED guidelines to re-open the country.

Can't make this chit up if one tried.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
 
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Micheal_R

Moderator
Staff member
You know what is really disturbing; Someone who is keeping track of the number of deaths; and then trying to use them to make political points. Each death is tragic in its' own way.

And yet there is an individual who is keeping track of them like a stock broker looking at the leaderboard..

That is a very disturbed individual indeed

Micheal
 

hawgdawg

Well-known member
I know people are dying of this virus ,, just as they do with the flu , and other diseases . But I really do not trust the numbers they are quoting . I saw a video today ,, I believe it was Italy or France ,, and a politician was giving a speech about the over inflated numbers of 25,000 they are claiming in his country ,, Just as they are saying that if they test a person 3 times here , and they test positive each time ,, then they are adding that to the total number of cases . I firmly believe the death totals of this virus , is vastly overstated just for political reasons .
 

Greg(E.Tn)

Well-known member
To quote Hillary regarding the death of a United States Ambassador and Navy Seals during the terrorist attack on our US embassy in Libya:

"What difference does it make?"

It's not just disturbing, Mikie, it's SICK when people gleefully chortle over the death of our fellow man for the sake of politics, while at the same time ignoring the deaths of others, again for political purposes.
 

Steve(Can)

Well-known member
I know people are dying of this virus ,, just as they do with the flu , and other diseases . But I really do not trust the numbers they are quoting . I saw a video today ,, I believe it was Italy or France ,, and a politician was giving a speech about the over inflated numbers of 25,000 they are claiming in his country ,, Just as they are saying that if they test a person 3 times here , and they test positive each time ,, then they are adding that to the total number of cases . I firmly believe the death totals of this virus , is vastly overstated just for political reasons .
Hawgdawg, closer to the truth, the true numbers of people dying because of this virus is being under reported and it will be a long while before the real numbers are more accurately determined. For many places, only confirmed Covid deaths are being reported. This means that people who die at home and are not tested are not being included in the official count.

An estimate of the unrecorded deaths can be seen by looking at the average death rate of a place from all causes, compared to the number of deaths that are occurring now. For example, this is what the average weekly death rate over the last two years looks like in New York City compared to the above average excess deaths this year. This was first noted by paramedics and ambulance attendants, funeral directors and city coroners who were alarmed by the overwelming numbers of deaths they were dealing with that were not being confirmed as covid deaths.

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This trend of excess deaths is now being seen in many other places and is in some cases more than double the official covid death statistics that are currently being reported.


excess2.jpg


In Canada, they are reporting confirmed and probable deaths in the official stats. In the USA, New York, Maryland and Wyoming also include probable deaths, however most other states do not and though the excess numbers of deaths in these areas are being recorded, they are not being reported to the public.

I know @Guvner is pretty impressed with Tucker Carlson with his non-partisan reporting lately. Maybe he should contact him with a heads up on this and let Carlson get to the bottom of it and report on some real numbers in this disturbing trend.
 

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Micheal_R

Moderator
Staff member
Hawgdawg, closer to the truth, the true numbers of people dying because of this virus is being under reported and it will be a long while before the real numbers are more accurately determined. For many places, only confirmed Covid deaths are being reported. This means that people who die at home and are not tested are not being included in the official count.

An estimate of the unrecorded deaths can be seen by looking at the average death rate of a place from all causes, compared to the number of deaths that are occurring now. For example, this is what the average weekly death rate over the last two years looks like in New York City compared to the above average excess deaths this year. This was first noted by paramedics and ambulance attendants, funeral directors and city coroners who were alarmed by the overwelming numbers of deaths they were dealing with that were not being confirmed as covid deaths.

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This trend of excess deaths is now being seen in many other places and is in some cases more than double the official covid death statistics that are currently being reported.


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In Canada, they are reporting confirmed and probable deaths in the official stats. In the USA, New York, Maryland and Wyoming also include probable deaths, however most other states do not and though the excess numbers of deaths in these areas are being recorded, they are not being reported to the public.

I know @Guvner is pretty impressed with Tucker Carlson with his non-partisan reporting lately. Maybe he should contact him with a heads up on this and let Carlson get to the bottom of it and report on some real numbers in this disturbing trend.
I am not entirely certain that even these are correct Statistics Steve.. The problem is that they [whoever the they is] are saying that these many folks died of Covid.. when in actuality, many

had underlying problems prior to contracting the disease.. COPD, Hypertension, weakened immune, et al.. Now thes folks contracted the covid.. but the initial problems were exacerbated by covid..and

that is what actually caused their deaths.. Understand I am not minimizing the deaths...but how many folks, healthy in every ather aspect, actually have died of Cvid?

Statistics are such a bear.. they can make a point for anyone if you take them in context

Calm seas

Micheal
 

Steve(Can)

Well-known member
I am not entirely certain that even these are correct Statistics Steve.. The problem is that they [whoever the they is] are saying that these many folks died of Covid.. when in actuality, many

had underlying problems prior to contracting the disease.. COPD, Hypertension, weakened immune, et al.. Now thes folks contracted the covid.. but the initial problems were exacerbated by covid..and

that is what actually caused their deaths.. Understand I am not minimizing the deaths...but how many folks, healthy in every ather aspect, actually have died of Cvid?

Statistics are such a bear.. they can make a point for anyone if you take them in context

Calm seas

Micheal
You are right, Mike, even these statistics are not completely accurate for a number of reasons, but they give a darned good snap shot of the extent of this disaster and it is not rocket science to calculate. Find the mortality statistics from all causes for March and April of the last several years and compare them to the mortality statistics from all causes from this year. These rates are fairly close from year to year and the states and provinces keep detailed records. If the rate suddenly jumped from a regular rate of say 5,000 in past years to 9,000 in March and April 2020, then you have 4,000 deaths more than are usually expected and something serious is going on.

For a snap shot to see how badly we're taking water, it's not rocket science to find out.... As mentioned, these numbers are being collected and recorded by the states and provinces, they are just not being reported to the public by the authorities. Kinda interested what Guv's buddy, Tucker might come up if he's as good a Guv thinks he is.



As you said, this s not completely accurate, for example, during March/April 2020, violent crime is down in most places by half, fatalities due to automobile accidents are way down, suicides might be up, deaths due to delayed operations and medical treatments may also be up. All of those would affect the average mortality rate somewhat, however, it would still give a good ballpark estimate of the total numbers we are dealing with and be a whole lot more accurate than the numbers given now for public consumption.

Take the tragedy of 9-11... there would be a sufficient spike in the average number of deaths in New York City during that time to give a good idea how many thousand people died in the terrorist attacks . It would not be entirely accurate, but it would show the extend of something very tragic and deadly that happened in Sept 2001.

As far as preexisting conditions, to a point Mike, but think of it this way... if a group of terrorists attacked a hospital, going through the floors randomly killing people, they would kill many people with preexisting conditions, terminal cancer, heart attacks, strokes, etc, etc. Many of these people may have soon died of these conditions anyway, but instead they died that day not of cancer, or a heart attack or a stroke, but from the terrorist attack. And we would honour them accordingly.

In this same way, the virus is more deadly to individuals with preconditions, those with weakened immune systems, heart trouble, copd, hypertension, etc and though many of them may have soon died of these conditions, like a terrorist attack on a hospital, on that day they were attacked by the virus and it was the virus that killed them.

To complicate it all, they are now beginning to realize that the virus is causing blood clotting, even in people with no preconditions, and reporting a high incidence of strokes in people in their 30's with no preconditions and only mild respiratory symptoms... They are beginning to research now to determine if this is how the virus is killing everyone, even those with respiratory symptoms... by clotting blood in the air exchange cells of the lungs as respiratory falure, in the arteries of the heart as cardiac arrests, in the head as strokes, in the kidneys and liver as internal organ failure....

Not out of the woods, not by a long shot.
 
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midalake

TROLL
Someone who is keeping track of the number of deaths; and then trying to use them to make political points. Each death is tragic in its' own way.
I firmly believe the death totals of this virus , is vastly overstated just for political reasons .
It's not just disturbing, Mikie, it's SICK when people gleefully chortle over the death of our fellow man for the sake of politics
There are a few posters willfully posting "feelings". Even though Vietnam taught me the dead can be politicized, I MEERLY OFFER FACTS. If YOU think the facts offer political fodder well then let the shoe fit. The FACTS will not be good for Donald J Trump.
 
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