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Sweden's coronavirus experiment

midalake

TROLL
FAILED!!!!!
Americans calling for herd immunity should look at Sweden's coronavirus experiment to see why it won't work

As of Friday morning, Sweden, which has a population of 10.23 million, had 29,207 confirmed cases of COVID-19 and 3,646 deaths from the virus — a death rate of 35.64 deaths per 100,000 people.

The US, meanwhile, has had 1.45 million confirmed COVID-19 cases and 86,607 deaths from the virus. With a population of 328.2 million, the country has a death rate of 26.3 deaths per 100,000 people.

ALSO, what else could Sweden be hiding at this point! I know, I know Trump said the virus will just magically disappear!
 

Quake

Well-known member
FAILED!!!!!
Americans calling for herd immunity should look at Sweden's coronavirus experiment to see why it won't work

As of Friday morning, Sweden, which has a population of 10.23 million, had 29,207 confirmed cases of COVID-19 and 3,646 deaths from the virus — a death rate of 35.64 deaths per 100,000 people.

The US, meanwhile, has had 1.45 million confirmed COVID-19 cases and 86,607 deaths from the virus. With a population of 328.2 million, the country has a death rate of 26.3 deaths per 100,000 people.

ALSO, what else could Sweden be hiding at this point! I know, I know Trump said the virus will just magically disappear!
Smoke some WEED, TROLL
 

Digger

Moderator
Staff member
midalake said: "The US, meanwhile, has had 1.45 million confirmed COVID-19 cases and 86,607 deaths from the virus. With a population of 328.2 million, the country has a death rate of 26.3 deaths per 100,000 people."

Once again, you are misrepresenting the facts. You post numbers representing those who have died, some of which may have tested positive for coronavirus, and automatically assume that they all died FROM coronavirus. Even if they had all tested positive, there is a big difference between dying from something and dying with something. The Centers for Disease Control actually states that mortality data includes both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19.

Fake death data from the CDC, coupled with wild guesstimates from experts, and the relentless barrage of fear porn the mainstream media subjects Americans to around the clock, have been getting results

Dr. Annie Bukacek, MD, explained in a presentation how death certificates are made.
Few people know how much individual power and leeway is given to the physician, coroner, or medical examiner, signing the death certificate. How do I know this? I’ve been filling out death certificates for over 30 years.More often than we want to admit, we don’t know with certainty the cause of death when we fill out death certificates. That is just life. We are doctors, not God. Autopsies are rarely performed and even when an autopsy is done the actual cause of death is not always clear. Physicians make their best guesstimate and fill out the form. Then that listed cause of death … is entered into a vital records data bank to use for statistical analysis, which then gives out inaccurate numbers, as you can imagine. Those inaccurate numbers then become accepted as factual information even though much of it is false. So even before we heard of COVID-19, death certificates were based on assumptions and educated guesses that go unquestioned. When it comes to COVID-19 there is the additional data skewer, that is –get this— there is no universal definition of COVID-19 death. That’s from their website. Translation? The CDC counts both true COVID-19 cases and speculative guesses of COVID-19 the same. They call it death by COVID-19. They automatically overestimate the real death numbers, by their own admission. Prior to COVID-19, people were more likely to get an accurate cause of death written on their death certificate if they died in the hospital. Why more accurate when a patient dies in the hospital? Because hospital staff has physical examination findings labs, radiologic studies, et cetera, to make a good educated guess. It is estimated that 60 percent of people die in the hospital. But even [with] those in-hospital deaths, the cause of death is not always clear, especially in someone with multiple health conditions, each of which could cause the death. Bukacek refers to a March 24 CDC memo from Steven Schwartz, director of the Division of Vital Statistics for the National Center for Health Statistics, titled “COVID-19 Alert No. 2.” “The assumption of COVID-19 death,” she says, “can be made even without testing. Based on assumption alone the death can be reported to the public as another COVID-19 casualty.” There is a question-and-answer section on the memo. One question is, “Will COVID-19 be the underlying cause?” The answer is: “The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not.”

So is it politically motivated or are they just inept? Regardless, even if we use your numbers as a basis for how many people have died with/from Covid-19 in the United States, it would currently fall somewhere between the number who die each year from diabetes and those who die from Alzheimers.
According to the latest data from the CDC’s National Vital Statistics System for 2018, the 10 leading causes of death in 2018 stayed the same as in 2017. Here, in descending order, are the top 10 causes of death in the United States:

10. Suicide - 2018 incidence: 48,344 - Rate: 14.2 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 1.7%

9. Kidney disease - 2018 incidence: 51,386 - Rate: 12.9 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total death: 1.8%

8. Influenza and pneumonia - 2018 incidence: 59,120 - Rate: 14.9 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 2.1%

7. Diabetes - 2018 incidence: 84,946 - Rate: 21.4 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 3%

6. Alzheimer disease - 2018 incidence: 122,019 - Rate: 30.5 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 4.3%

5. Cerebrovascular diseases - 2018 incidence: 147,810 - Rate: 37.1 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 5.2%

4. Chronic lower respiratory diseases - 2018 incidence: 159,486 - Rate: 39.7 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 5.6%

3. Accidents/unintentional injuries - 2018 incidence: 167,127 - Rate: 48.0 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 5.9%

2. Cancer - 2018 incidence: 599,274 - Rate: 149.1 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 21.1%

1. Heart disease - 2018 incidence: 655,381 - Rate: 163.6 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 23.1%

Knowing the numbers are being padded and that more people die each year from other "illnesses" doesn't make Covid-19 less of an enemy. But at least it will allow us to put "death from Covid-19" in the proper perspective.
 

jim tn

Well-known member
midalake, like the media and fellow socialites, just can't help themselves when it comes to fanning the flames of a good crisis with loads of false information. They just don't realize, or want to, that more and more Americans are learning just how big of liars their ilk really are. HH jim tn
 

midalake

TROLL
Dr. Annie Bukacek, MD, explained in a presentation how death certificates are made.
Pure sold gold NOTHING BURGER Digger. If you have a heart condition and are admitted to the Hosp. with COVID, then your lungs fill up with fluid and you die. YOU DIE FROM COVID-19 PERIOD! Anything thing else is a hoax/excuse as to how YOU want to manipulate the numbers.
 

hawgdawg

Well-known member
midalake said: "The US, meanwhile, has had 1.45 million confirmed COVID-19 cases and 86,607 deaths from the virus. With a population of 328.2 million, the country has a death rate of 26.3 deaths per 100,000 people."

Once again, you are misrepresenting the facts. You post numbers representing those who have died, some of which may have tested positive for coronavirus, and automatically assume that they all died FROM coronavirus. Even if they had all tested positive, there is a big difference between dying from something and dying with something. The Centers for Disease Control actually states that mortality data includes both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19.

Fake death data from the CDC, coupled with wild guesstimates from experts, and the relentless barrage of fear porn the mainstream media subjects Americans to around the clock, have been getting results

Dr. Annie Bukacek, MD, explained in a presentation how death certificates are made.
Few people know how much individual power and leeway is given to the physician, coroner, or medical examiner, signing the death certificate. How do I know this? I’ve been filling out death certificates for over 30 years.More often than we want to admit, we don’t know with certainty the cause of death when we fill out death certificates. That is just life. We are doctors, not God. Autopsies are rarely performed and even when an autopsy is done the actual cause of death is not always clear. Physicians make their best guesstimate and fill out the form. Then that listed cause of death … is entered into a vital records data bank to use for statistical analysis, which then gives out inaccurate numbers, as you can imagine. Those inaccurate numbers then become accepted as factual information even though much of it is false. So even before we heard of COVID-19, death certificates were based on assumptions and educated guesses that go unquestioned. When it comes to COVID-19 there is the additional data skewer, that is –get this— there is no universal definition of COVID-19 death. That’s from their website. Translation? The CDC counts both true COVID-19 cases and speculative guesses of COVID-19 the same. They call it death by COVID-19. They automatically overestimate the real death numbers, by their own admission. Prior to COVID-19, people were more likely to get an accurate cause of death written on their death certificate if they died in the hospital. Why more accurate when a patient dies in the hospital? Because hospital staff has physical examination findings labs, radiologic studies, et cetera, to make a good educated guess. It is estimated that 60 percent of people die in the hospital. But even [with] those in-hospital deaths, the cause of death is not always clear, especially in someone with multiple health conditions, each of which could cause the death. Bukacek refers to a March 24 CDC memo from Steven Schwartz, director of the Division of Vital Statistics for the National Center for Health Statistics, titled “COVID-19 Alert No. 2.” “The assumption of COVID-19 death,” she says, “can be made even without testing. Based on assumption alone the death can be reported to the public as another COVID-19 casualty.” There is a question-and-answer section on the memo. One question is, “Will COVID-19 be the underlying cause?” The answer is: “The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not.”

So is it politically motivated or are they just inept? Regardless, even if we use your numbers as a basis for how many people have died with/from Covid-19 in the United States, it would currently fall somewhere between the number who die each year from diabetes and those who die from Alzheimers.
According to the latest data from the CDC’s National Vital Statistics System for 2018, the 10 leading causes of death in 2018 stayed the same as in 2017. Here, in descending order, are the top 10 causes of death in the United States:

10. Suicide - 2018 incidence: 48,344 - Rate: 14.2 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 1.7%

9. Kidney disease - 2018 incidence: 51,386 - Rate: 12.9 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total death: 1.8%

8. Influenza and pneumonia - 2018 incidence: 59,120 - Rate: 14.9 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 2.1%

7. Diabetes - 2018 incidence: 84,946 - Rate: 21.4 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 3%

6. Alzheimer disease - 2018 incidence: 122,019 - Rate: 30.5 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 4.3%

5. Cerebrovascular diseases - 2018 incidence: 147,810 - Rate: 37.1 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 5.2%

4. Chronic lower respiratory diseases - 2018 incidence: 159,486 - Rate: 39.7 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 5.6%

3. Accidents/unintentional injuries - 2018 incidence: 167,127 - Rate: 48.0 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 5.9%

2. Cancer - 2018 incidence: 599,274 - Rate: 149.1 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 21.1%

1. Heart disease - 2018 incidence: 655,381 - Rate: 163.6 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 23.1%

Knowing the numbers are being padded and that more people die each year from other "illnesses" doesn't make Covid-19 less of an enemy. But at least it will allow us to put "death from Covid-19" in the proper perspective.
Very well stated Digger,,, thanks for giving us that info. Ole Midsewer would believe everything you said ,,, if it was reported by CNN.
 

tvr

Well-known member
Colorado has admitted to inflating covid-19 death numbers and a large number of states admit to having criteria for claiming a covid-19 death that slants the death numbers higher.

Midalake makes a another false statement with his claim: "If you have a heart condition and are admitted to the Hosp. with COVID, then your lungs fill up with fluid and you die. YOU DIE FROM COVID-19 PERIOD!"

The actual information (that I read from multiple sources and then verified with my son-in-law who is a RN treating covid-19 cases coming off cruise ships) is that covid-19 does not fill lungs with fluid. It decreases the blood flow or possibly thickens the blood in and around the lungs and does not allow good oxygen transfer from lungs to blood. That is much like one of the affects of Lupus. Hydroxychloroquine is used for Lupus to counter that affect and for other reasons. A treatment protocol using hydroxychloroquine has been very effective in helping the covid-19 cases he has been working with. He says that by direction they do code deaths with fluid filled lungs and a positive covid-19 test as a covid-19 death, but feels it is not right since the cause of lungs filling with fluid is not covid-19. Those cases may also test positive for pneumonia and or flu strains. In the case of heart failure, the lungs fill due to pulmonary edema; again not due to covid-19. They do get more reimbursement money for covid-19 cases.
 

hawgdawg

Well-known member
Colorado has admitted to inflating covid-19 death numbers and a large number of states admit to having criteria for claiming a covid-19 death that slants the death numbers higher.

Midalake makes a another false statement with his claim: "If you have a heart condition and are admitted to the Hosp. with COVID, then your lungs fill up with fluid and you die. YOU DIE FROM COVID-19 PERIOD!"

The actual information (that I read from multiple sources and then verified with my son-in-law who is a RN treating covid-19 cases coming off cruise ships) is that covid-19 does not fill lungs with fluid. It decreases the blood flow or possibly thickens the blood in and around the lungs and does not allow good oxygen transfer from lungs to blood. That is much like one of the affects of Lupus. Hydroxychloroquine is used for Lupus to counter that affect and for other reasons. A treatment protocol using hydroxychloroquine has been very effective in helping the covid-19 cases he has been working with. He says that by direction they do code deaths with fluid filled lungs and a positive covid-19 test as a covid-19 death, but feels it is not right since the cause of lungs filling with fluid is not covid-19. Those cases may also test positive for pneumonia and or flu strains. In the case of heart failure, the lungs fill due to pulmonary edema; again not due to covid-19. They do get more reimbursement money for covid-19 cases.
Thanks for that input ,,and Thank your son for us for his work during these times ,,, I posted about these inflated numbers before , and ole Midsewer blew a gasket saying it was fake news ,,because his CNN ( Commie News Network ) wasn't reporting this info ,, and now with all of the states having to confess up to it ,, has got ole Midsewer eating a little crow ,,,, :rofl: ,, we're still winning Midsewer ,,,:rofl:
 

midalake

TROLL
his country has survived many flu pandemics
Smoke some WEED, TROLL
Once again, you are misrepresenting the facts.
midalake, like the media and fellow socialites, just can't help themselves
would believe everything you said
Midalake makes a another false statement with his claim:
MORE FUN FACTS! From a failed response.

At this writing, Sweden has reported 3,460 deaths. That’s 343 deaths per million people, one of the highest mortality rates from COVID-19 in the world.

The number is particularly grim compared to Sweden’s neighbors. Norway has suffered 229 deaths, or 42 per million people; Finland 284, or 51 per million; Denmark 533, or 92 per million. Viewed another way, Sweden’s death rates from COVID-19 are 816 percent those of Norway, 672 percent those of Finland and 372 percent those of Denmark. If Sweden’s death rate were the same as Norway’s, thousands more Swedes would be alive today.

"As Sweden continues reporting hundreds of new cases and scores of new deaths each day, neighboring countries that followed a more orthodox path are emerging from lockdown."

https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/28759/the-swedish-model-is-a-failure-not-a-panacea
 

tvr

Well-known member
The snap shot on Swedish data is not really useful information except for propaganda purposes. Flatten the curve efforts are only meant to keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed. That mission has been accomplished in the US. Sweden said, early on, that in the worst case infection scenarios they would not overwhelm their hospitals; and they haven’t. Historical pandemic metrics indicate flattening the curve efforts just stretches out the time frame of infection spread and not total infections. We won’t know anything approaching real total numbers for a year or more.

Sweden has not destroyed their economy; although there is some residual affect from the rest of the world. A shut down economy has costs in increased death rates without a pandemic. Among the economic casualties are increases in suicide, drug and alcohol deaths, domestic violence, failure to get preventative healthcare or missed treatments for serious health issues and even starvation.

Was interesting to see in some previous posts Midalake seemed to support following WHO recommendations. WHO Executive Director Dr. Michael Ryan, in the April 29 WHO covid-19 briefing, said that the Swedish response should be the model that other countries could learn from for their covid-19 response.
 

tvr

Well-known member
Quake,
I hear what you say! However ...
Troll,
Feelings not involved unless yours are hurt. Every sentence that I posted above can be backed up with at least one link to data, report(s) and article(s). It would be useful for you to find the cooborating information, read it and, although the chance may be slim, understand it.
Cheers!
 

tvr

Well-known member
LOL ... you didn't even throw a pitch. Heck, you didn't even pick up the ball. Go do your homework. Look up the answers and digest the information if that is possible. Hint: you might need to use something other than google since google buries research papers and articles based on google's programed in political bias. Try DuckDuckGo and don't shy away from using the translator to read European and Scandinavian research.
 
So.D
midalake said: "The US, meanwhile, has had 1.45 million confirmed COVID-19 cases and 86,607 deaths from the virus. With a population of 328.2 million, the country has a death rate of 26.3 deaths per 100,000 people."

Once again, you are misrepresenting the facts. You post numbers representing those who have died, some of which may have tested positive for coronavirus, and automatically assume that they all died FROM coronavirus. Even if they had all tested positive, there is a big difference between dying from something and dying with something. The Centers for Disease Control actually states that mortality data includes both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19.

Fake death data from the CDC, coupled with wild guesstimates from experts, and the relentless barrage of fear porn the mainstream media subjects Americans to around the clock, have been getting results

Dr. Annie Bukacek, MD, explained in a presentation how death certificates are made.
Few people know how much individual power and leeway is given to the physician, coroner, or medical examiner, signing the death certificate. How do I know this? I’ve been filling out death certificates for over 30 years.More often than we want to admit, we don’t know with certainty the cause of death when we fill out death certificates. That is just life. We are doctors, not God. Autopsies are rarely performed and even when an autopsy is done the actual cause of death is not always clear. Physicians make their best guesstimate and fill out the form. Then that listed cause of death … is entered into a vital records data bank to use for statistical analysis, which then gives out inaccurate numbers, as you can imagine. Those inaccurate numbers then become accepted as factual information even though much of it is false. So even before we heard of COVID-19, death certificates were based on assumptions and educated guesses that go unquestioned. When it comes to COVID-19 there is the additional data skewer, that is –get this— there is no universal definition of COVID-19 death. That’s from their website. Translation? The CDC counts both true COVID-19 cases and speculative guesses of COVID-19 the same. They call it death by COVID-19. They automatically overestimate the real death numbers, by their own admission. Prior to COVID-19, people were more likely to get an accurate cause of death written on their death certificate if they died in the hospital. Why more accurate when a patient dies in the hospital? Because hospital staff has physical examination findings labs, radiologic studies, et cetera, to make a good educated guess. It is estimated that 60 percent of people die in the hospital. But even [with] those in-hospital deaths, the cause of death is not always clear, especially in someone with multiple health conditions, each of which could cause the death. Bukacek refers to a March 24 CDC memo from Steven Schwartz, director of the Division of Vital Statistics for the National Center for Health Statistics, titled “COVID-19 Alert No. 2.” “The assumption of COVID-19 death,” she says, “can be made even without testing. Based on assumption alone the death can be reported to the public as another COVID-19 casualty.” There is a question-and-answer section on the memo. One question is, “Will COVID-19 be the underlying cause?” The answer is: “The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not.”

So is it politically motivated or are they just inept? Regardless, even if we use your numbers as a basis for how many people have died with/from Covid-19 in the United States, it would currently fall somewhere between the number who die each year from diabetes and those who die from Alzheimers.
According to the latest data from the CDC’s National Vital Statistics System for 2018, the 10 leading causes of death in 2018 stayed the same as in 2017. Here, in descending order, are the top 10 causes of death in the United States:

10. Suicide - 2018 incidence: 48,344 - Rate: 14.2 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 1.7%

9. Kidney disease - 2018 incidence: 51,386 - Rate: 12.9 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total death: 1.8%

8. Influenza and pneumonia - 2018 incidence: 59,120 - Rate: 14.9 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 2.1%

7. Diabetes - 2018 incidence: 84,946 - Rate: 21.4 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 3%

6. Alzheimer disease - 2018 incidence: 122,019 - Rate: 30.5 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 4.3%

5. Cerebrovascular diseases - 2018 incidence: 147,810 - Rate: 37.1 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 5.2%

4. Chronic lower respiratory diseases - 2018 incidence: 159,486 - Rate: 39.7 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 5.6%

3. Accidents/unintentional injuries - 2018 incidence: 167,127 - Rate: 48.0 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 5.9%

2. Cancer - 2018 incidence: 599,274 - Rate: 149.1 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 21.1%

1. Heart disease - 2018 incidence: 655,381 - Rate: 163.6 per 100,000 US standard population - Percentage of total deaths: 23.1%

Knowing the numbers are being padded and that more people die each year from other "illnesses" doesn't make Covid-19 less of an enemy. But at least it will allow us to put "death from Covid-19" in the proper perspective.
So During your "Career",did you report/expose any of these inept,and dishonest Co Workers.?
 
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