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An odd mixture of items and help requested from Civil War ammunition buffs

Geologyhound

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I went out to a “new to me site” over the weekend and found a bit of an eclectic mixture of items. All these years of hunting and I have never found a silver quarter outside of a seeded hunt. So I am very pleased with the 47 Washington. This place apparently gets brush hogged occasionally and some of the items show it. The chewed-up Fangburger token is from Burger Chef restaurants perhaps around the 1970s. I would guess the fly fishing reel and the tape measure are more recent. The tootsie toy wrecker may date from pre-World War II. No idea about the screwdriver handle other than it is aluminum. The penny is a 1919 S. Had my heart skip a beat before I gently cleaned around the date because it looked like a 1909S… 😕

However, the two items I am most interested in are the dome shaped thing and the piece I first mistook for pipe and dropped in my “Possibly not trash” pouch. This item appears to be lead inside a brass sheath. The lead appears to have rings on it like a Civil War bullet. The site is along General Morgan’s trail from the Civil War (with union troops on his tail). I know most of the Civil War bullets did not have metal casings but I understand Spencer and Henry rifles did. This appears to be half inch in diameter and what’s left of it is about 3/4 inch long. Could this be a remnant of a Civil War bullet still in the casing? Does anyone know what the spacing between the rings should be if this is Civil War era?

The other item which has aroused my curiosity is the brass dome shaped thing. It’s a little bent out of whack, but it’s about 2 inches in diameter or a little under and about 1.5 inches tall. There are slits irregularly spaced in the base. Some of them are a little ragged which makes me think it just broke. Others seem to be relatively straight. The base has a small flange like the dome was made to fit over the top of something. This makes sense, as there is iron rust (magnetic) attached to the base. I am guessing maybe some sort of hubcap cover, but the thought dancing around the back of my head is could this be the nose piece of an artillery round? Would any Civil War artillery have a brass sheath over the nose? Would any Civil War artillery shell even be shaped that way? Any help from Civil War munitions buffs would be greatly appreciated for either of these items.

I am posting this in the Civil War forum too.

Thank you in advance!
 

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I believe the fishing reel is an old baitcasting reel instead of a fly reel… neat find!!
As far as the bullet?… not sure what that is , but the rings are not consistent with the Spencer or Henry round.. looks more like a Sharps to me, but they use paper and linen cartridges.
I believe after the Civil War they did have brass cartridges though.
Actually after another look, it it looks like a lead anchor used to fasten things in concrete… just a guess…
The other item looks like a bearing cap to me.
 
Look closely on the flat face of the fishing reel for the name of the reel. Also, the valve stem cap will have information written at the base of the cap. Possibly “Schrader”. Nice truck
 
I believe the fishing reel is an old baitcasting reel instead of a fly reel… neat find!!
As far as the bullet?… not sure what that is , but the rings are not consistent with the Spencer or Henry round.. looks more like a Sharps to me, but they use paper and linen cartridges.
I believe after the Civil War they did have brass cartridges though.
Actually after another look, it it looks like a lead anchor used to fasten things in concrete… just a guess…
The other item looks like a bearing cap to me.
Thanks! I guess I’m still looking for my first Civil War bullet…
 
Look closely on the flat face of the fishing reel for the name of the reel. Also, the valve stem cap will have information written at the base of the cap. Possibly “Schrader”. Nice truck
After a little cleaning I can tell it says Pennell Reel Co. Phila. Apparently a more common reel than Shakespeare…. The valve took a little bit more work. But I finally cleaned it up enough I can see it says Schrader universal valve Blkyn NY US Pat followed by a long number with mostly legible digits.

Thanks!
 

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Here's an interesting article on Civil War ammunition and weapons.
Thanks! My son was especially interested in the description of the Williams machine gun. With 65 1-pound balls per minute it would take a bit of iron to keep that thing stocked.
 
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