2 tone ferrous on the explorers!

[Bell]

What I dont understand is why you would want to limit your tones to two. I mean that wont increase performance, only limit your decision making. Might as well get a F75 or something similiar.

 

[Chris(SoCenWI)]

The reason those guys are making finds with the ETracs is because they are getting rid of discrimination(open screen) and not having the machine null constantly in heavy iron. It's not because of 2-tone.

About half of explorer users have been hunting like this for years, do a search for some of Charles(Upstate NY) and many other's posts.

Yes, you can make finds running patterns in conductive, but most people that have put in the work and trained their brain have found they can find more with using less discrimination. And with these machines no iron discrimination means you HAVE to be in FERROUS or every nail will sound like silver. And the beauty of the multiple tones of the explorer is that you can do much of this by audio alone. Switch your variability back to 10 and now you can tell a nickel hit from a silver hit. All the iron except for iron falsing will be a very low (and almost constant) tone. Two tone is a step backwards, but with the way they changed ferrous reading on the ETrac they have no choice but to use 2-tone, or at least no advantage in not doing so. Your SE can do better than the Etracs.

Give it a try. I would not go with a complete open screen but discriminate out crown caps, as they will sound like silver.

Chris

 

[DukeOBass]

... all of the settings on your SE for us so we can see want you're totally doing?

Thanks!!

 

[Erik in NJ]

Yes, they straightened the beautiful S shaped finds curve on the E-Trac rendering similar ferrous values for most targets, instead of allowing Iron Mask to be skewed at an angle as opposed to just being vertical - rendering ferrous mode on E-Trac essentially useless - that why they need for a "special" 2-tone mode there - this is how they compensated for the prior blunder. 10 tone ferrous on SE would be much more effective I would think. 2 tone ferrous, unless it is an idiom for the hardware on the SE just seems to limit ur information. Personally I think they should have exagerated the S curve as opposed to flattening it on the ET and made Iron Mask or whatever they call it be angled and have it's leading edge allowed to be shaped quantitatively. Oh well the software on the ET is still relatively unintuitive. And tone, timbre mapping and many other useful features are light-years away!

 

[weston]

moving your variability to 2 makes the less the processor is doing guys. moving it to 10 ups the work of the processor. so it cant switch between iron and a good target as fast as 2 tone. that's the point in 2 tone. moving it form 10 to 2 may not make a big difference, but that slight difference could make the difference between coin in heavy iron or not! sorry if you don't agree, but i think it makes the machine a tad better. I'm always open to new ways to find more goodies!

Weston

 

[christopher-ohio]

I assume smartfind or digital will both work fine too?

Thank in advance...HH

 

[greasecarguy]

I couldn't possibly move to variability 2. I left it at 6 or 7 to really hear the silver stand out well. What I do like about it is that I have much less iron falsing. Now if you have years of experience, I could see where this would not be a benefit, however, for a guy 1 yr. in with the SE, it seems to be a big help, at least in the iron areas.

 

[Shambler]

moving your variability to 2 makes the less the processor is doing guys. moving it to 10 ups the work of the processor.

This is so not correct unless you mean your brain - then yes, you'll have less to process.

 

[Erik in NJ]

Shambler is correct on this! Variability simply takes the x or y coordinate value of the cursor (depending whether you are in Ferrous or Conductive) and maps it to a relative pitch - whether it's set to 1 or 1000 there should be no difference in the algorithm that would cause the machine to respond faster or slower based on this setting. Just out of curiosity where did you get your information from?

 

[weston]

i will without argument let everyone think what they want to think! no use in trying to change people that don't want to change their ways. if you haven't tried YOU DO NOT KNOW! you are losing the opportunity and making others lose the opportunity and most of you guys haven't even tried. I've said enough believe who you want to believe guys, but i encourage you to try it!

Weston

 

[Bell]

Chris, Weston is saying you dont need the threshold because you are accepting all signals. So in other words you dont need a threshold null because you are getting a signal instead.

 

[steverjman]

Thanks for the info Weston...I am definitely going to give it a try at an old farm house I hunt.
--Steve

 

[christopher-ohio]

n/t