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3 tone or 2 tone?
- Thread starter noesosa
- Start date
Phillip_in_NM
Member
In modern trash, I use 3-tone.
In iron, I use 2-tone.
Sometimes I check one against the other.
In iron, I use 2-tone.
Sometimes I check one against the other.
Low-Boy/LCPM
Active member
I only use two tone I like to hear my targets with a high tone I dig just about every hit and I use Audio tone on 5
Keith Southern
Active member
In any trash, old or new try the 3 tone...
On isolated targets at depth 2 tone is able to report with a fuzzy whisper target out past the Visual I.D.
I Know theres different schools of thought and I'm in the 2 tone school arena when working in the iron with adjustable tone break just on a nail with all my newer tone units....
BUT the Racer's way of analyzing targets we dont cant control the break of the tone.. the factory break's it for us at 40 from low to high or low to mid...
And this is the beauty of the Racer...its filters allow for blendability of the tones and also the bleedability of a disc point..so targets below the FACTORY break still have a fighting chance of going up in tone in a rolling nature...
And this rolling nature can become quite busy at times in 2 tone....................(2 tone,,rolling tone and bleeding though works quiet well for bad dirt unamasking and punching though harsh soil for a more DIG ME SIGNAL by the way and is my favorite tone(MODE) for that environ)........................So the 3 tone can become a great asset to a site that's overly trashy...and by this I mean say you have a site slap full of iron of all sizes and its depleated it so seems with all your other units...Go in with the Racer and OOR5 in 3 tone and listen for that mid tone that's Smooth/Round sounding and investigate those...
You cant watch an I.D. meter constantly in iron and on a depleated site were usually looking for the severly masked or lower conductors other machines left from target averaging and or masking..the 2 tone will hear and report those target reading mid tone also but the 2 tone will also report the fasling as the same high tone...the 3 tone is throwing that high tone false in the mix also and reprots it as the high tone but its that mid tone that will grab your attention and slow you down.. Iron doesnt like to wrap or false into the mid tone a whole lot..And if it does theres enough subtle audio clues with the nuanced audio the racer has to figure out the Mid tone false...
Now if it was a detector where we could break the tone with disc by all means I would just use 2 tone and have it set like I wanted to just break tone on a small sqaure nail, but since we are using a factory break in both 2 or 3 tone the 3 tone seem's to convey the mid range conductors better for Cherry picking a depelated site....HMMM did I just day Cherry picking a depleated site?????yes thats what I said...
The 2 tone is more VCO pronounced the 3 tone is more how should I say tightened in report...they both blend they both bleed they both use same tone break at low tone to next tone ...BUT they are different Processes all the same..
you want iron artifact's /implements and every little piece of non ferrous then yes for the Pureist hunter and even the forensic type hunter on a archaeological quest to unlock a site for detailed clues of past life then 2 tone it is...and I use it when I see fit myself .
BUT if you want to CHERRY PICK a depleated site..try 3 tone...PAY ATTENTION TO THAT MID TONE!!!
They both will get the goodies but I find it easier on a site Ive worked hard to just select 3 tone and CHERRY PICK THE NON FERROUS..
This again is where the Racer almost makes you think your cheating!
Keith
On isolated targets at depth 2 tone is able to report with a fuzzy whisper target out past the Visual I.D.
I Know theres different schools of thought and I'm in the 2 tone school arena when working in the iron with adjustable tone break just on a nail with all my newer tone units....
BUT the Racer's way of analyzing targets we dont cant control the break of the tone.. the factory break's it for us at 40 from low to high or low to mid...
And this is the beauty of the Racer...its filters allow for blendability of the tones and also the bleedability of a disc point..so targets below the FACTORY break still have a fighting chance of going up in tone in a rolling nature...
And this rolling nature can become quite busy at times in 2 tone....................(2 tone,,rolling tone and bleeding though works quiet well for bad dirt unamasking and punching though harsh soil for a more DIG ME SIGNAL by the way and is my favorite tone(MODE) for that environ)........................So the 3 tone can become a great asset to a site that's overly trashy...and by this I mean say you have a site slap full of iron of all sizes and its depleated it so seems with all your other units...Go in with the Racer and OOR5 in 3 tone and listen for that mid tone that's Smooth/Round sounding and investigate those...
You cant watch an I.D. meter constantly in iron and on a depleated site were usually looking for the severly masked or lower conductors other machines left from target averaging and or masking..the 2 tone will hear and report those target reading mid tone also but the 2 tone will also report the fasling as the same high tone...the 3 tone is throwing that high tone false in the mix also and reprots it as the high tone but its that mid tone that will grab your attention and slow you down.. Iron doesnt like to wrap or false into the mid tone a whole lot..And if it does theres enough subtle audio clues with the nuanced audio the racer has to figure out the Mid tone false...
Now if it was a detector where we could break the tone with disc by all means I would just use 2 tone and have it set like I wanted to just break tone on a small sqaure nail, but since we are using a factory break in both 2 or 3 tone the 3 tone seem's to convey the mid range conductors better for Cherry picking a depelated site....HMMM did I just day Cherry picking a depleated site?????yes thats what I said...
The 2 tone is more VCO pronounced the 3 tone is more how should I say tightened in report...they both blend they both bleed they both use same tone break at low tone to next tone ...BUT they are different Processes all the same..
you want iron artifact's /implements and every little piece of non ferrous then yes for the Pureist hunter and even the forensic type hunter on a archaeological quest to unlock a site for detailed clues of past life then 2 tone it is...and I use it when I see fit myself .
BUT if you want to CHERRY PICK a depleated site..try 3 tone...PAY ATTENTION TO THAT MID TONE!!!
They both will get the goodies but I find it easier on a site Ive worked hard to just select 3 tone and CHERRY PICK THE NON FERROUS..
This again is where the Racer almost makes you think your cheating!
Keith
I run three tone all the time. It doesn't matter if I'm in new trash or iron, it's three tones all the time. I use two tone to check some targets as I usually run the gain higher and the filter lower in two tone. Two tone ID's deeper than three tone so it will bring up VDI's that three tone won't, the way I run it.
Davethejunky
TROLL #2
I run in 3 tone and use 2 tone as a coin check mode if you will, like a second disc mode. this confirms to me that the deep targets with no numbers are possible good targets. I dig any no VDI number targets nonetheless.
Davethejunky
TROLL #2
gmanlight said:Just picked up a racer and looking to try some of these tips
put out on this forum.
I have a few small old sites that have been killed over time and
to get anything out is a victory in itself.
You are going to have a lot of victories when you learn the Racer.
from some others, and they will even differ more between the different makes and models that I have in hand at the time. Not all 2-Tone and 3-Tone designs are the same between brands or, for that matter, even within one brand between different models.
Keith, Tom and others have provided a lot of help for you and others trying to decide what to use, but in the end it is really up to the end-user as to what they feel works best for them. My personal opinions are based on personal enjoyment of the Makro Racer in a broad range of hunting scenarios, but the bulk of them have been trashy to very trashy old town sites. A lot of debris, most especially annoying iron with the nails being the biggest offender and cause for close-target masking.
I like the 2-Tone operation with the VCO audio for non-ferrous targets, but mainly in a more sparse situation, such as working a fresh-water beach, plowed field, or a woodland area when hunting for anything man made and left behind ... especially nails that signal a possible old structure site. But the bulk of my detecting time is devoted to hunting dense iron littered ghost towns and similar old-use sites. For that I keep the smaller 'OOR' coil on the Racer almost exclusively. If I want to use a bigger coil, I grab a different detector that is more comfortable for me.
One thing that Keith mentioned and I strongly urge anyone to learn and be attentive to is the 3-Tone mode's medium tone. I find too many times a person trying to learn the Racer and also learn how to set the Disc. low to hear the Low-Tone for Iron, seems to then be very alert to the pronounced Higher-tone response, be the mid-tone kind of gets a little 'muddied' as being lower and close to the iron audio and not as 'alerting' as the high-tone. Learn and listen for the middle tone, to be sure!
I run it at '10' default most of the time and never increase it higher than '23'/'24' to just bas=rely reject most iron nails at times. I prefer not to use more Discrimination than just enough to barely reject iron nails.
Pros: ? The Racer is simply the best of the modern digitally based detectors I have used, with that little 'OOR' coil, to get in and hunt up the good targets in nasty iron clutter. It is quick and easy to get set-up and into action at any site, and also make selection changes on the fly pretty easy as well.
Cons ? I don't like the abrupt grip of the 'S' rod with any of the larger coils, to include the 5½X10 or 7X11.and they just do not perform, for me and my needs, like the 'OOR' coil does.
Monte
Keith, Tom and others have provided a lot of help for you and others trying to decide what to use, but in the end it is really up to the end-user as to what they feel works best for them. My personal opinions are based on personal enjoyment of the Makro Racer in a broad range of hunting scenarios, but the bulk of them have been trashy to very trashy old town sites. A lot of debris, most especially annoying iron with the nails being the biggest offender and cause for close-target masking.
I like the 2-Tone operation with the VCO audio for non-ferrous targets, but mainly in a more sparse situation, such as working a fresh-water beach, plowed field, or a woodland area when hunting for anything man made and left behind ... especially nails that signal a possible old structure site. But the bulk of my detecting time is devoted to hunting dense iron littered ghost towns and similar old-use sites. For that I keep the smaller 'OOR' coil on the Racer almost exclusively. If I want to use a bigger coil, I grab a different detector that is more comfortable for me.
With the Racer/'OOR' combination in dense trash I almost exclusively use the 3-Tone mode. I find it 'better' because of how the Racer performs and the excellent audio response. It produces a louder audio hit which, with my impaired hearing, helps me find more good stuff in nasty junk. It has some great audio subtleties you can learn, and with a slow-and-methodical sweep it is simply deadly in iron infested conditions.noesosa said:[size=medium]Which one is better and why? what should I be using
Pros: if any.
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One thing that Keith mentioned and I strongly urge anyone to learn and be attentive to is the 3-Tone mode's medium tone. I find too many times a person trying to learn the Racer and also learn how to set the Disc. low to hear the Low-Tone for Iron, seems to then be very alert to the pronounced Higher-tone response, be the mid-tone kind of gets a little 'muddied' as being lower and close to the iron audio and not as 'alerting' as the high-tone. Learn and listen for the middle tone, to be sure!
I run it at '10' default most of the time and never increase it higher than '23'/'24' to just bas=rely reject most iron nails at times. I prefer not to use more Discrimination than just enough to barely reject iron nails.
Pros: ? The Racer is simply the best of the modern digitally based detectors I have used, with that little 'OOR' coil, to get in and hunt up the good targets in nasty iron clutter. It is quick and easy to get set-up and into action at any site, and also make selection changes on the fly pretty easy as well.
Cons ? I don't like the abrupt grip of the 'S' rod with any of the larger coils, to include the 5½X10 or 7X11.and they just do not perform, for me and my needs, like the 'OOR' coil does.
Monte