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There is a question here...if you don't want to read it all just skip to the Bottom, please.
Maybe somewhere around 20 hours with the new F70 so far and I am getting the hang of it pretty quickly thanks to my huge huge amount of experience with the F2.
A big part of the Fisher language is totally transferable from one to the other, but the F70 does have way more power and a ton more settings available so the language is richer and I am having much fun learning this new and extra part of that language that the F2 lacked.
Target behavior is still kind of a mystery to me when it comes to the real deep stuff because of my lack of experience at these levels so I know there is still much more to learn if I hope to become even close to as fluent as I have with the F2 language, and for me time spent learning is great fun no matter how long it takes.
I can't complain, with only 10 hours on the F70 with the standard elliptical I managed to find lots of clad, tiny silver at 6" and a nice gold ring all in pretty trashy areas for the most part.
Through a very generous gift from a member on another forum I also have a few hours under my belt with both an 11" DD coil and a 5" concentric sniper.
These coils were used, abused, repaired with a ton of JB Weld and look like hell but seem to work fine, so I am grateful and happy I have a decent and pretty complete set of tools at my disposal.
As far as this tool selection I am a big fan of using the right tool for the right job so over time I plan on getting good at all of them...eventually.
I have been told that since I have the 11" DD and the 5" sniper I can all but retire my 10" elliptical, but I know me and this will not happen right away, if at all, and that is mostly because I really liked using this coil in the short time I have spent with it.
No experience using this type of concentric in the past at all, but I found that for me it does seem to work well in both the wide open and even in very trashy areas...exactly the type of area I found that gold ring really, really close to another piece of trash.
It seems to have the ability to go pretty deep plus great target separation and even though it is said the DD can snake through trash very well I still at this point seem to get along better at these type of sites using the 10" because the close proximity of multiple targets at some of my sites still puts more of them under the scanning field of the DD coil than the smaller field of the DD.
I can figure this stuff out using both coils but right now with my limited experience on the F70 using the 10" coil vs the 11" DD for me is faster.
I have a lot of experience using an even larger 12" DD coil on my Vaq so I know these type of coils, understand them, can pinpoint with them easily and can use them even in the most trashy sites or go deep to find good targets...but over all I just like using concentrics better...always have.
Just different strokes for different folks.
I have a huge amount of experience using the snipers and if I am going to be spending a lot of time at super trashy sites that will be my go-to coil for all that type of work, of course, but sometimes I do hunt some wide open areas with less trash but still wander over to some more trash packed sites from time to time and I just don't have the time or patience to change coils when I hunt.
I bring extra coils with me but I might be so far away from my truck I just never seem to want to walk back to change them, as easy and quick as coil changes are on the F70.
I usually just mount one and go with it for the entire session and deal with whatever situation I come across the best I can.
So now you guys don't have to tell me that the 11"DD is deeper, or how well the 5" concentric works and how it will also go deep with the right settings.
I have these coils and will use them and overtime I expect to get quite good with them and it might happen that I will eventually use that large DD coil more than the 10"...but for now I want to concentrate on using the 10" coil at a specific site I have in mind so I am looking for advice using that one.
Again, I go back to my sites over and over so all the coils will get a chance, but this first time I am planning on using only the 10" elliptical.
I know this coil can still go pretty deep, and I am willing to give up those few extra inches the DD coil could get me according to most experienced users at this time if that is indeed the case.
The extra depth will probably not matter at this particular site I am hot to hunt in in the near future, anyway.
The deepest target I have dug so far with the 10" was a beaver tail tab at a full 10"...maybe even 11"...I did not get an exact measurement at the time.
I can't remember the settings but the thresh was into the negative numbers, the sense was probably somewhere in the 70-80 range, disc was at 1 and I was using 4H tones...my favorite tone settings at this time.
This deep target was not ID'd correctly at all, it was a very solid and repeating but only from one way hit, switching to SL did not make the signal any better from any direction, and there were never any numbers at all on the screen as I swung over this thing at any time, it was like the F70 didn't even want to hazard a guess.
I knew something was down there, using the pinpoint the number 10 did show on the screen from at least 2 directions, and the only reason I even dug this thing was to see what kind of target would cause this behavior and to see if there actually was something that deep...and I was pleasantly surprised that there was even if it was only trash.
So even though the ID was not the greatest I now know that the F70 using this coil can reach great depths and maybe using different setting could have ID'd this thing even better, but I did not have the patience to try different settings at the time to see if it could.
This site that I am aiming at has a few things going for it and a few things going against it.
It is in a very old park, parts of it dating back to 1896.
The area I am aiming at, a couple of different areas, actually but similar, are actually large hills, (small mountains?), that start at the lower levels of the park where some streets and picnic areas are and rise up to about the 800' level and I have been here before on 2 different hills across the street from each other.
One hill is now used for bike trails that have been carved in and around this thing and in the past was well used as horse trails for recreational use back in the early days and had some camping areas closer to the top of this hill somewhere.
Also there have been people tromping around all over the area because I have found some pretty old trash like actual tin and steel cans and can slaw and some old bottles and other trash that dates back to the beginning of the last century.
Across the street on the other hill I hunted one time and no horse or bike trails here but I believe this site has been used by scouts and maybe even actual army soldiers for training maneuvers in the distant past and also has some very old trash scattered about among other things like a pretty old full sized scout pocket knife I did find that had years and years of rust built up on the exposed metal parts...many decades of rust by my reckoning.
I did find a few coins on both sides but modern stuff and that is not my goal.
A friend from my MD club has been up on these mountains and using his E Trac has found silver...some Merks and even a few Barbers and that is the coin I am hot to find with my new detectors and the first of my short term goals I have set for myself.
Those coins are not easy to find but they are up there and I want my share.
I have aimed to become a good jewelry hunter and I think I have achieved that goal, now I want to get good enough with the F70 to be known as "the coin guy" and I don't care how long it takes me to learn new skills to do this.
Ok, the site and it's history is the good part, this is the bad.
Climbing up these things is nowhere as easy as hunting my normal level parks and I ain't no spring chicken...but I do take my time and hunt slowly as I climb along the way.
Also the thick leaves that protect the ground and make for easy digging in the not frozen soil of my other more open sites is great except for the fact that if you happen to lose your Lesche digger in that stuff you will have a hard time finding it even with that bright colored handle...something that happened to me the last time I drug my butt up one of these mountains.
I found it eventually but I was lucky and wasted a lot of time doing it.
The other problem is unusually heavy EMI and we all know the Fishers just love to home in on that stuff and then tell you about it.
The Vaq I used once had no problem on the way up and even near the top on one hunt, but my F2 was pretty cool till I reached close to the top level and then that became one of the only times I have ever hunted with it that it became almost unusable.
Only on the lowest sense setting could I deal with the huge amount of noise and at that point the depth, especially using the sniper coil I had mounted at the time, was probably not good enough to reach those older silver coins.
At the top I discovered that I was pretty much within a straight line of site with no structures between my F2 and every friggin radio, TV and cell tower for miles around.
My friend says those coins he found were not all that super deep but I do figure I need to get at least 6-8" to have a shot at finding them...more would be great and even better if I can set up the F70 to do it.
Here is the question for those that want to answer me but did not want to read all the garbage above because you actually have lives...
So disregarding the unusually heavy EMI problem which I will deal with and adjust any of your suggested settings I will try if needed, just what would you suggest would be the best way to attack these large hills and get the best depth and ID on targets using the 10" elliptical coil only, at this time?
My soil is usually very mild, I ground balance in the low 50's most of the time with only one bar showing on the soil reading, if that.
I assume the highest thresh settings into the positive numbers and high as I can go on the sense would be suggested here, but maybe not.
Anything you want to tell me about the tones would be fine, also.
I understand 2F might be the way to go for depth and the least amount of chatter but you might think different.
Disc settings too, almost nothing or way up there, either is fine as long as you believe your combination of setting will help me find that first Barber.
I will try all combinations of setting suggestions if time allows and report back on my results.
Hopefully with a nice piece of round silver to accompany that future post.
Thanks all!
Maybe somewhere around 20 hours with the new F70 so far and I am getting the hang of it pretty quickly thanks to my huge huge amount of experience with the F2.
A big part of the Fisher language is totally transferable from one to the other, but the F70 does have way more power and a ton more settings available so the language is richer and I am having much fun learning this new and extra part of that language that the F2 lacked.
Target behavior is still kind of a mystery to me when it comes to the real deep stuff because of my lack of experience at these levels so I know there is still much more to learn if I hope to become even close to as fluent as I have with the F2 language, and for me time spent learning is great fun no matter how long it takes.
I can't complain, with only 10 hours on the F70 with the standard elliptical I managed to find lots of clad, tiny silver at 6" and a nice gold ring all in pretty trashy areas for the most part.
Through a very generous gift from a member on another forum I also have a few hours under my belt with both an 11" DD coil and a 5" concentric sniper.
These coils were used, abused, repaired with a ton of JB Weld and look like hell but seem to work fine, so I am grateful and happy I have a decent and pretty complete set of tools at my disposal.
As far as this tool selection I am a big fan of using the right tool for the right job so over time I plan on getting good at all of them...eventually.
I have been told that since I have the 11" DD and the 5" sniper I can all but retire my 10" elliptical, but I know me and this will not happen right away, if at all, and that is mostly because I really liked using this coil in the short time I have spent with it.
No experience using this type of concentric in the past at all, but I found that for me it does seem to work well in both the wide open and even in very trashy areas...exactly the type of area I found that gold ring really, really close to another piece of trash.
It seems to have the ability to go pretty deep plus great target separation and even though it is said the DD can snake through trash very well I still at this point seem to get along better at these type of sites using the 10" because the close proximity of multiple targets at some of my sites still puts more of them under the scanning field of the DD coil than the smaller field of the DD.
I can figure this stuff out using both coils but right now with my limited experience on the F70 using the 10" coil vs the 11" DD for me is faster.
I have a lot of experience using an even larger 12" DD coil on my Vaq so I know these type of coils, understand them, can pinpoint with them easily and can use them even in the most trashy sites or go deep to find good targets...but over all I just like using concentrics better...always have.
Just different strokes for different folks.
I have a huge amount of experience using the snipers and if I am going to be spending a lot of time at super trashy sites that will be my go-to coil for all that type of work, of course, but sometimes I do hunt some wide open areas with less trash but still wander over to some more trash packed sites from time to time and I just don't have the time or patience to change coils when I hunt.
I bring extra coils with me but I might be so far away from my truck I just never seem to want to walk back to change them, as easy and quick as coil changes are on the F70.
I usually just mount one and go with it for the entire session and deal with whatever situation I come across the best I can.
So now you guys don't have to tell me that the 11"DD is deeper, or how well the 5" concentric works and how it will also go deep with the right settings.
I have these coils and will use them and overtime I expect to get quite good with them and it might happen that I will eventually use that large DD coil more than the 10"...but for now I want to concentrate on using the 10" coil at a specific site I have in mind so I am looking for advice using that one.
Again, I go back to my sites over and over so all the coils will get a chance, but this first time I am planning on using only the 10" elliptical.
I know this coil can still go pretty deep, and I am willing to give up those few extra inches the DD coil could get me according to most experienced users at this time if that is indeed the case.
The extra depth will probably not matter at this particular site I am hot to hunt in in the near future, anyway.
The deepest target I have dug so far with the 10" was a beaver tail tab at a full 10"...maybe even 11"...I did not get an exact measurement at the time.
I can't remember the settings but the thresh was into the negative numbers, the sense was probably somewhere in the 70-80 range, disc was at 1 and I was using 4H tones...my favorite tone settings at this time.
This deep target was not ID'd correctly at all, it was a very solid and repeating but only from one way hit, switching to SL did not make the signal any better from any direction, and there were never any numbers at all on the screen as I swung over this thing at any time, it was like the F70 didn't even want to hazard a guess.
I knew something was down there, using the pinpoint the number 10 did show on the screen from at least 2 directions, and the only reason I even dug this thing was to see what kind of target would cause this behavior and to see if there actually was something that deep...and I was pleasantly surprised that there was even if it was only trash.
So even though the ID was not the greatest I now know that the F70 using this coil can reach great depths and maybe using different setting could have ID'd this thing even better, but I did not have the patience to try different settings at the time to see if it could.
This site that I am aiming at has a few things going for it and a few things going against it.
It is in a very old park, parts of it dating back to 1896.
The area I am aiming at, a couple of different areas, actually but similar, are actually large hills, (small mountains?), that start at the lower levels of the park where some streets and picnic areas are and rise up to about the 800' level and I have been here before on 2 different hills across the street from each other.
One hill is now used for bike trails that have been carved in and around this thing and in the past was well used as horse trails for recreational use back in the early days and had some camping areas closer to the top of this hill somewhere.
Also there have been people tromping around all over the area because I have found some pretty old trash like actual tin and steel cans and can slaw and some old bottles and other trash that dates back to the beginning of the last century.
Across the street on the other hill I hunted one time and no horse or bike trails here but I believe this site has been used by scouts and maybe even actual army soldiers for training maneuvers in the distant past and also has some very old trash scattered about among other things like a pretty old full sized scout pocket knife I did find that had years and years of rust built up on the exposed metal parts...many decades of rust by my reckoning.
I did find a few coins on both sides but modern stuff and that is not my goal.
A friend from my MD club has been up on these mountains and using his E Trac has found silver...some Merks and even a few Barbers and that is the coin I am hot to find with my new detectors and the first of my short term goals I have set for myself.
Those coins are not easy to find but they are up there and I want my share.
I have aimed to become a good jewelry hunter and I think I have achieved that goal, now I want to get good enough with the F70 to be known as "the coin guy" and I don't care how long it takes me to learn new skills to do this.
Ok, the site and it's history is the good part, this is the bad.
Climbing up these things is nowhere as easy as hunting my normal level parks and I ain't no spring chicken...but I do take my time and hunt slowly as I climb along the way.
Also the thick leaves that protect the ground and make for easy digging in the not frozen soil of my other more open sites is great except for the fact that if you happen to lose your Lesche digger in that stuff you will have a hard time finding it even with that bright colored handle...something that happened to me the last time I drug my butt up one of these mountains.
I found it eventually but I was lucky and wasted a lot of time doing it.
The other problem is unusually heavy EMI and we all know the Fishers just love to home in on that stuff and then tell you about it.
The Vaq I used once had no problem on the way up and even near the top on one hunt, but my F2 was pretty cool till I reached close to the top level and then that became one of the only times I have ever hunted with it that it became almost unusable.
Only on the lowest sense setting could I deal with the huge amount of noise and at that point the depth, especially using the sniper coil I had mounted at the time, was probably not good enough to reach those older silver coins.
At the top I discovered that I was pretty much within a straight line of site with no structures between my F2 and every friggin radio, TV and cell tower for miles around.
My friend says those coins he found were not all that super deep but I do figure I need to get at least 6-8" to have a shot at finding them...more would be great and even better if I can set up the F70 to do it.
Here is the question for those that want to answer me but did not want to read all the garbage above because you actually have lives...
So disregarding the unusually heavy EMI problem which I will deal with and adjust any of your suggested settings I will try if needed, just what would you suggest would be the best way to attack these large hills and get the best depth and ID on targets using the 10" elliptical coil only, at this time?
My soil is usually very mild, I ground balance in the low 50's most of the time with only one bar showing on the soil reading, if that.
I assume the highest thresh settings into the positive numbers and high as I can go on the sense would be suggested here, but maybe not.
Anything you want to tell me about the tones would be fine, also.
I understand 2F might be the way to go for depth and the least amount of chatter but you might think different.
Disc settings too, almost nothing or way up there, either is fine as long as you believe your combination of setting will help me find that first Barber.
I will try all combinations of setting suggestions if time allows and report back on my results.
Hopefully with a nice piece of round silver to accompany that future post.
Thanks all!
You sure can write! Keep it coming, you are doing a great service to the F70 community with this kind of dialog and proper research, plus, what else are we gonna talk about for a few months?...that said, the dealer who sold me the 70 said to get the 11" dd...he was not suggesting, he was TELLING...said its like dropping a hemi in a Ford Ranger...said it throws a rectangle deep signal as opposed to a cone....said you can flat out fly with the thing..said, since you now have a hemi under the hood, you have to be careful with the throttle (sens), or you will overpower yourself, lose control, fly up through the wire and into the grandstands, make a hell of a mess and get banned from the track!.
My chapped butt prefers Burts Bees lipbalm..
Now, if we could get a battalion group of 70 users together and crash a Minelab club hunt, ...we would seriously frost their biscuit like a french pastry chef, and send them home in tears like a schoolgirl who's daddy was not rich enough to buy them Miley Cyrus tickets !
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Why didnt one of y'all hold me back?
---------------I remember those. Ooooh I'm sure you will make up and all will be well
