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Are there any negatives to running ID norm
- Thread starter Bill_S
- Start date
Jeff in Pa
Well-known member
Bill,
I tried the same thing but I gotta say its not the best. The TID is so close on so many of the good targets that I got rid of it. Well I modified it. I use 8K with ID norm off and have my tones set for the different coins. I use 3.0 disc and only notch 2 numbers for zincs. I tested many Indians with it and I still hear them. Using the high tone setup seems to be the best I can come up with and using of course a reactivity of 2 or 3 really crushes thru the trash.
If you use the Deus set at 3 you will be amazed at just how many coins are only 3 or 4 inches deep in the super trashy areas.
I tried the same thing but I gotta say its not the best. The TID is so close on so many of the good targets that I got rid of it. Well I modified it. I use 8K with ID norm off and have my tones set for the different coins. I use 3.0 disc and only notch 2 numbers for zincs. I tested many Indians with it and I still hear them. Using the high tone setup seems to be the best I can come up with and using of course a reactivity of 2 or 3 really crushes thru the trash.
If you use the Deus set at 3 you will be amazed at just how many coins are only 3 or 4 inches deep in the super trashy areas.
I set mine up this way. I notched everything up to 58 and then again from 65 to 82. I accepted everything from 82 and above. I assigned a lower tone to the nickel zone and a higher tone to everything above zinc. I set the reactivity to 2 and the silencer to -1 with the iron audio on 0. I just set this up to see if I could use the ID norm and switch between all 4 frequencies without having to move my notches around. There are a lot of different ways to set it up. You could just assign different tones to different zones......;o)
I think Jeff means there is not a whole lot of spread between the coins ID number. For example a zinc may hit at 85 a dime at 90, a quarter at 95. I believe with the ID norm on it makes all the targets hit at what they would hit for the 17khz frequency. If they used the 8khz there would be a bigger spread between the coins. Zinc may come in at 73 and a quarter at 89. Does that make sense?
See this chart
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?83,1880727,1880727#msg-1880727
CZconnoisseur
Active member
Sleepyjim said:
I've been tearing it up in the trash with these settings. I get out (weather permitting) for 2-3 hours each night to the fairgrounds site which has a lot of ambient light being inside the city. Will be posting this week's
finds later tonight...
BADTRASH
Sens = 88
Disc = 2.3
TX = 2
Silencer = 1 or 2
Reactivity = 3
8kHz
Full Tones
Notch 0-10....51-61....97-99
Manual GB at 82-84
Notch ground 85-90 (I'm not sure this is really doing much of anything but it seems to run a little more stable this way - this may be only in my head though
I still dig a lot of aluminum trash but sometimes a few relics make their way into my pouch which would otherwise be disc'd out. Indian cents can come through from 66-85 in my soil so use notch at your discretion!
I also run this one at the other end of the fairgrounds where I've found some Civil War relics:
COINRELIC
Sens = 93
Disc = 2.3
TX = 2
Silencer = 0 or 1
Reactivity = 2
8 kHz
Full tones
Notch 0-10...97-99
Manual GB 82-84
Notch ground 85-90
Targets are deeper in this part and there's some deep iron to search around. I've been getting better at picking coins that are laying close to deep iron signals in this area. Notch is used to silence iron signals, some of the 50s and 60s signals turn out to be smaller caliber period bullets and an occasional period button
Jeff in Pa
Well-known member
Look good CZ!!
Jeff in Pa
Well-known member
Bill looking at your chart the only thing I see that I have different is a copper penny and a dime. My dimes hit mostly an 85 in 8K and my zincs are usually 71 or 72.
ID norm ON does make it a lot harder to call it. Wheats jump around on the Deus just like the do on the Etrac.
ID norm ON does make it a lot harder to call it. Wheats jump around on the Deus just like the do on the Etrac.
Sleepyjim
Member
Bill_S said:
First great chart!
If ID norm uses 17Khz numbers, wouldnt the (Your example) zinc still show 85 and Qtr at 94 if using 8Khz? I mean that is the purpose of ID Norm, the target displays same number....and thus the spread stays the same? Am I thinking wrong on this?, very interesting subject by the way.....
Jim
samandnoah
New member
Sleepyjim said:
Jim, you understand it correctly. The other example was what you get when you do NOT "ID norm". So instead of a 9 point spread at 18 kHz you may get a 17 point spread at 8 kHz. That can be helpful when you've got junk ringing up near good target values, and a few extra points really help you make that judgment call. And if you're using full tones it really helps by giving more tonal separation as well.
Also, bottlecaps can ring in pretty high and clear at times. Some of us check it by switching over to a 4 kHz program. A good target would register lower at the lower frequency. A bottlecap will register higher at 4kHz. If you're using ID Norm on, that handy little test won't work.
Take care,
Rich
