Was getting ready to purchase the F70 . My type of hunting is .......mainly in parks hunting for gold rings and jewelry. I felt I did my homework and was ready to order the F70. Then a fellow that I met in Las Vegas says no..no.no. to the F70. I asked why, here's what he said; the F5 is very hot on gold.The F5 meter locks on to targets better....and doesn't "flutter" around, especially gold targets. And it gets better depth than the F70. Also he claimed that the audio response on gold was more positive and that he has hunted in all of the western states and this was usually true. Now here's where I get confused. If the F70 is at 14KHZ and the F5 is at 7 to 8KHZ...........doesn't that mean the F70 would be the better detector for gold items? And I would have assumed that the target id meter on both machines would be just as stable?? And I would have thought that the F70 being the more advanced machine, would have had better depth as well?? Now I don't know what to believe. I will get the F5 if it is the better unit for my type of hunting............but I need you guys to get into the conversation and help me make up my mind What can be said about all this?Really appreciate your help...thanks.
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Calling all Fishermen..... need good solid advice on Fisher F 5
- Thread starter Ivan
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Now I'm intrigued!
This guy you talked to in Vegas?, was he standing out on the sidewalk in front of Caesars dressed like Frank Sinatra and wearing a sandwich board, pitching discount tickets to Zigfried and Roy and selling fake ID's? If so, I want a refund on that 'Nick Pappageorgio' one he sold me..
Seriously, this should be an honorable and good debate! Whats hotter on inland GOLD jewelry, the 70 or the 5?....I sure would like to see a dialog on this subject between Hillis and REVIER!
Of course I'm in the 70's camp!...but have never swung a 5, if you ask me why, its just that I like AA's better than 9's...and of course I only use it for hunting gold in parks and totlots and beaches and all...things being equal a guy aint gonna miss gold with either I reckon..a real toss up as far as I'm concerned...somebody will be along with the technical differences and reasons soon I'm sure...
Mud.
This guy you talked to in Vegas?, was he standing out on the sidewalk in front of Caesars dressed like Frank Sinatra and wearing a sandwich board, pitching discount tickets to Zigfried and Roy and selling fake ID's? If so, I want a refund on that 'Nick Pappageorgio' one he sold me..
Seriously, this should be an honorable and good debate! Whats hotter on inland GOLD jewelry, the 70 or the 5?....I sure would like to see a dialog on this subject between Hillis and REVIER!
Of course I'm in the 70's camp!...but have never swung a 5, if you ask me why, its just that I like AA's better than 9's...and of course I only use it for hunting gold in parks and totlots and beaches and all...things being equal a guy aint gonna miss gold with either I reckon..a real toss up as far as I'm concerned...somebody will be along with the technical differences and reasons soon I'm sure...
Mud.
WV62
Well-known member
I have had an F5 with a couple of coils, very good machine. But if you think about it the gold is mixed in with the trash and is hard for any detector to just detect the gold. I now have a F75 which is a F70 with a few extras. Gold is still hard to come buy.
If it were me I would go for the F70 and the little 6.5 x 3.25 elliptical coil as an extra and you will do just fine. I would say there is a reason the F70 cost a little more than the F5.
Ron in WV
If it were me I would go for the F70 and the little 6.5 x 3.25 elliptical coil as an extra and you will do just fine. I would say there is a reason the F70 cost a little more than the F5.
Ron in WV
I gotta have that Delta Pitch! Got really spoiled with it on the 70, almost to the point I cant hunt with any rig that dont have it...Oh sure, I use the AtPro in the water, but what choice do I have? I'm telling you that Delta on the 70 is really something!..such super audio feedback on the size, depth, and composition of a target, a guy dont even look at the screen! If the 70 was somewhat waterproof, it would be all a guy needed for the vast majority of gold/jewelry and coin hunting...same as if the Pro had DP tones, which it dont, but it does let a guy get chin deep in the drink, and I hunt gold, so I got one....on the dry and in parks, its the 70 for me...hands down, all the way...now, who you gonna listen to? Some guy you met in the mens room at the Sahara in Vegas, or us?
Mud
Mud
You will either love or hate the F70. If you learn it's quirks before you come hate it you will be hooked on it's performance.. If you come to hate it before you learn it you will spent twice as much money before you come up with anything that come close to it's potential. On the other hand if I had to part with the F70 , it's replacement would be a F5-no doubt--------IB
I can't speak for the F70. But I'll share some info on why I haven't moved to the F70 over the F5.
The F70 gets maybe and inch or so extra depth. The higher frequency is only advantageous for finding "smaller" metal deposits. If you are nugget hunting, you want a higher frequency machine, since small BB sized nuggets add to the whole. The draw back is that higher freq machines also pick up mineralization in the soil better than lower frequencies. In older analog machines, lower freqs penetrated ground further than high. But digital detectors now work on processes, and freqs aren't as much an issue for depth.
Both the F5 and F70 are going to hit the 8" mark, where most hits rely in. The F5 has better control over signal transmission and reception. The analog adjusting on the F5 is faster and more fine tunable than the F70. The F70 is menu driven. It's all a matter of personal preference. If you are hunting coins and jewelry, both machines will do that equally, since the F70 is built on the F5 process. Both are listed as Coin, Relic and Gold hunting. The F70 seems a tad better for relic and small gold, The F5 seems more of a coin and larger gold hunter, typical rings and jewelry. Not a lot, but slightly. Both hit silver the same.
I bought the F5 first, and the extra cost for a F70 isn't justifiable for what extra it would give me. Plus I like knobs (Tesoro style) rather than seeking menu items (I need glasses then and the F5 display is nice and large for weak eyes).
I hope I don't offend my F70, F75 friends. They are great machines. And you rarely see F70s or F5s for resale. That usually says something.
The F70 gets maybe and inch or so extra depth. The higher frequency is only advantageous for finding "smaller" metal deposits. If you are nugget hunting, you want a higher frequency machine, since small BB sized nuggets add to the whole. The draw back is that higher freq machines also pick up mineralization in the soil better than lower frequencies. In older analog machines, lower freqs penetrated ground further than high. But digital detectors now work on processes, and freqs aren't as much an issue for depth.
Both the F5 and F70 are going to hit the 8" mark, where most hits rely in. The F5 has better control over signal transmission and reception. The analog adjusting on the F5 is faster and more fine tunable than the F70. The F70 is menu driven. It's all a matter of personal preference. If you are hunting coins and jewelry, both machines will do that equally, since the F70 is built on the F5 process. Both are listed as Coin, Relic and Gold hunting. The F70 seems a tad better for relic and small gold, The F5 seems more of a coin and larger gold hunter, typical rings and jewelry. Not a lot, but slightly. Both hit silver the same.
I bought the F5 first, and the extra cost for a F70 isn't justifiable for what extra it would give me. Plus I like knobs (Tesoro style) rather than seeking menu items (I need glasses then and the F5 display is nice and large for weak eyes).
I hope I don't offend my F70, F75 friends. They are great machines. And you rarely see F70s or F5s for resale. That usually says something.
REVIER
Well-known member
Had my F70 since November 28 of last year.
Found my first gold ring within my first 10 hours in a very trashy picnic area right next to a piece of garbage.
Multiple signals but maneuvered that standard coil just right and got a solid 32....no flutter.
Second gold ring found at the outskirts of an old park with the 11"DD, unusually heavy EMI, the ring had a large piece of iron one inch to the right several inches deep, the kind that throws of false high tones, and a small piece of iron one inch to the left and shallow.
I guess you could say there was flutter, I don't know of many detectors that wouldn't have jumped a bit considering.
I was in all metal so I got the gold signal and the iron from both sides, but I still saw enough of a solid signal and numbers from that gold to make me dig it.
Third gold target was again the large DD coil, small heart pendant mixed with silver, a solid zinc signal, no flutter.
Fourth gold was a solid nickel signal with the sniper coil...again absolutely no flutter.
Pretty much every gold target locked on as well or better than any other detector on the planet considering all circumstances.
Not sure what he meant by saying the F5 had a more positive audio response, each one of these I positively heard something and saw something that made me dig it and I am positively thrilled that I did.
I have dug coins at the nine inch range easily, a little flutter because it was an Indian Head spill spread out a bit.
I have dug other targets at 10" using the standard coil, up to 15" using the big DD coil, solid audio at least if not some screen info on a few... not sure I have ever heard of an F5 going that deep.
In most situations digging anything at most sites I get such great information in both audio and on the screen that I can make a pretty good guess on what I will be digging as well if not better than anything I have ever used, and it might sound like bragging but I think I am extremely good at that with my other detectors.
That guy in Vegas, did he ever actually use an F70, I just say that because his didn't sound like it worked much like mine does.
If so he should get better at it before giving advice like this...What is said in Vegas should stay in Vegas.
Now it is true that I have never used an F5, and as a jewelry hunter trying to get better at deep coin hunting if I didn't want the scary depth of the F70/F75 top end I know for sure I would have gone for an F5 and the great amount of adjustability might actually give it an advantage in the jewelry area, but in my experience with the F70 considering what was said about how it works in my opinion there is some misinformation being disseminated.
All Fishers are great and will find the goods, can't go wrong with either one if jewelry is what you are after, and forget about that frequency thing.
I found 10 gold targets last year with the F2, pretty easily too and that thing is 5.9kHz.
But that depth comment above all but also in relation with those other opinions...sometimes you need to take these things with a grain of salt.
Found my first gold ring within my first 10 hours in a very trashy picnic area right next to a piece of garbage.
Multiple signals but maneuvered that standard coil just right and got a solid 32....no flutter.
Second gold ring found at the outskirts of an old park with the 11"DD, unusually heavy EMI, the ring had a large piece of iron one inch to the right several inches deep, the kind that throws of false high tones, and a small piece of iron one inch to the left and shallow.
I guess you could say there was flutter, I don't know of many detectors that wouldn't have jumped a bit considering.
I was in all metal so I got the gold signal and the iron from both sides, but I still saw enough of a solid signal and numbers from that gold to make me dig it.
Third gold target was again the large DD coil, small heart pendant mixed with silver, a solid zinc signal, no flutter.
Fourth gold was a solid nickel signal with the sniper coil...again absolutely no flutter.
Pretty much every gold target locked on as well or better than any other detector on the planet considering all circumstances.
Not sure what he meant by saying the F5 had a more positive audio response, each one of these I positively heard something and saw something that made me dig it and I am positively thrilled that I did.
I have dug coins at the nine inch range easily, a little flutter because it was an Indian Head spill spread out a bit.
I have dug other targets at 10" using the standard coil, up to 15" using the big DD coil, solid audio at least if not some screen info on a few... not sure I have ever heard of an F5 going that deep.
In most situations digging anything at most sites I get such great information in both audio and on the screen that I can make a pretty good guess on what I will be digging as well if not better than anything I have ever used, and it might sound like bragging but I think I am extremely good at that with my other detectors.
That guy in Vegas, did he ever actually use an F70, I just say that because his didn't sound like it worked much like mine does.
If so he should get better at it before giving advice like this...What is said in Vegas should stay in Vegas.
Now it is true that I have never used an F5, and as a jewelry hunter trying to get better at deep coin hunting if I didn't want the scary depth of the F70/F75 top end I know for sure I would have gone for an F5 and the great amount of adjustability might actually give it an advantage in the jewelry area, but in my experience with the F70 considering what was said about how it works in my opinion there is some misinformation being disseminated.
All Fishers are great and will find the goods, can't go wrong with either one if jewelry is what you are after, and forget about that frequency thing.
I found 10 gold targets last year with the F2, pretty easily too and that thing is 5.9kHz.
But that depth comment above all but also in relation with those other opinions...sometimes you need to take these things with a grain of salt.
Most jewelry hunters set up some accurate program and search in the top 4"...Generally we hunt in modern active parks, sportsfields, totlots, so what we search for has been dropped in the last 40yrs or so...
Has to be accurate and comfortable so a guy can wade through the trash, and pick a good target out of several that might be under the coil at the same time...the only time a guy needs to go deeper than that is on the beach or shallow water, where targets are sparse, and a guy can crank it up a bit...so yes, the 70/75 used exclusively for this kind of hunting would be overkill, but you always know you got some spare power there if the situation merits and you get into an old yard or someplace with deep silver..'course, the 5 would be fine for that too..so you are going to be alright no matter what rig you get...as long as you are confident in it
Good Luck!
Mud.
Has to be accurate and comfortable so a guy can wade through the trash, and pick a good target out of several that might be under the coil at the same time...the only time a guy needs to go deeper than that is on the beach or shallow water, where targets are sparse, and a guy can crank it up a bit...so yes, the 70/75 used exclusively for this kind of hunting would be overkill, but you always know you got some spare power there if the situation merits and you get into an old yard or someplace with deep silver..'course, the 5 would be fine for that too..so you are going to be alright no matter what rig you get...as long as you are confident in it
Good Luck!Mud.
Mike Hillis
Well-known member
Hi Ivan,
The Vegas guy gave you good advice. If you are going to become a 'dedicated inland gold jewelry hunter' , the F5 is the detector you want.
I'm not saying the F70 is a bad detector, or that you can't find gold with one. But I am saying the F5 feature set is better suited to inland gold jewelry hunting than the F70 feature set. My personal opinion.
Other opinions may differ.
HH
Mike
The Vegas guy gave you good advice. If you are going to become a 'dedicated inland gold jewelry hunter' , the F5 is the detector you want.
I'm not saying the F70 is a bad detector, or that you can't find gold with one. But I am saying the F5 feature set is better suited to inland gold jewelry hunting than the F70 feature set. My personal opinion.
Other opinions may differ.
HH
Mike
Alright boys! Lets just leave this alone for now, as much as I'd like to see a shootout between Revier and Hillis! I think we all did enough punching each other for this week on the Forum! At least I did...Tell Y'all what? WEEKEND Challenge is on! Heck, lets make it until the end of Sept?...All you 70 boys and all you Fivers commence to hunt up some gold or silver jewelry and post the results here, heck toss in clad to make it fair..! Its about time we stretched each others skills a bit..nothing like some good clean competition to get a guy out of the house! I will recuse myself for this weekend on account of my Inlaws are showing up, and they are a handful...I bet I sneak in a hunt or two and might get lucky though...Mud.
REVIER
Well-known member
mudpuppy said:
Mud.
Nope, not me...not messing with the Hill-Man.
Right now I am not in jewelry mode, having too much fun hunting an old farmhouse site, but I found 3 gold targets at the park in the past where this site sites so I guess I can move around a bit and see if all that glitters is truly gold.
Not messing with the Hill-man is a wise choice on your part!..
.although, you are no slouch either when it comes to gold...I thought it would be a fair matchup.
...all I know is I'm finding GOLD this weekend, y'all can just go ahead and pull some old iron horseshoes or shoehorns or square nails or relics or a cast iron griddle or sumpthin, heck, dig up a cannonball if you come across one....
We certainly have a pretty rabid little group here on the Fisher Forum! Flesh sharpens flesh, without a challenge, we would all be posting piles of pulltabs and pennies, and whats the fun of that?
Mud
.although, you are no slouch either when it comes to gold...I thought it would be a fair matchup....all I know is I'm finding GOLD this weekend, y'all can just go ahead and pull some old iron horseshoes or shoehorns or square nails or relics or a cast iron griddle or sumpthin, heck, dig up a cannonball if you come across one....We certainly have a pretty rabid little group here on the Fisher Forum! Flesh sharpens flesh, without a challenge, we would all be posting piles of pulltabs and pennies, and whats the fun of that?
Mud
Mike Hillis
Well-known member
Don't you just hate it when someone dis's your favorite metal detector? You guys work wonders with your F70s. Always see and read good things.
Anyway, site reading skills come first, detectors come second.
Its just my opinion and we all got one so don't let me step on any toes. Either way they are both fine Fisher metal detectors.
HH
Mike
