Clarification is needed.

[Joe Patrick]

Bill,

I think that 'black and white' clarification is needed. EXACTLY what is this forum for? Is it just to discuss White's-only analog-metered metal detectors?

The 'banner' for this forum says "Analog Detecting Forum - If you're someone who just likes tinkering with the old style detectors this place is for you. Mr. Bill Crabtree and Monte Von are going to help out here and will endeavor to help you with your questions. Why Mr. Bill you ask? Because he's as old as dirt and should know plenty about detecting in it...

The 'banner' text clearly says "old style detectors". I take that to mean all old style, analog detectors, but the opening posts lead me to believe that this forum/classroom is for discussing old style analog-metered metal detectors of any brand and model. I have a genuine interest in old metal detectors and have built up a sizeable file of old literature, brochures, catalogs, etc. over the years ... because I am fascinated by vintage electronics and metal detectors. That is why I was so excited to see this forum open up.

Please let me (us) know, so that we may determine and decide if this forum fits our posting/reading interests or not.

Thanks

Joe

 

[OldeTymer]

another forum for discussing the nostalgic units from yesteryear might be better. Perhaps it could be called the "Antique Metal Detectors Forum", and could include such things as the orginal "spark" type units produced by Fisher. Or maybe the original one that was invented by Alexander Graham Bell, and used to try to find the bullet in President James A. Garfield after he was shot. In an effort to find the bullet, Alexander Graham Bell rigged up a crude metal detector to help find the bullet. After several passes, Bell said he had located the bullet. It was much deeper than was originally thought.

With Garfield's condition growing steadily worse, doctors decided to cut him open to remove the slug. It was not found.

What Bell had actually located so deep in the body was the metal spring under the mattress! No wonder they couldn't find the bullet.

Just a thought.

OldeTymer

 

[Joe Patrick]

Sure, sounds like a good idea. And with a name like Olde Tymer, you'd be the perfect moderator of it!

Sorry fellas, I 've got better things to do ... I'm out of here!

Joe

 

[Mr.Bill]

Joe,

I guess I could change the forum heading to read different, and to be truthful I hadn

 

[OldeTymer]

I was serious, and thought you would probably make a great moderator based on your collection of early documentation and catalogs. I think a historical record of the metal detector industry would be very interesting. I've got better things to do too, but what is more fun (with your pants on) than this hobby? Yup, I'm old too, but can still have fun.

OldeTymer

 

[Monte]

I hope you don't mind my interpretation of what folks wanted, but I think the general term "analog" has been most used as it applieas to the needle-metered models, and we've read this the most on the White's Forums. This has been partially brought about due to them discontinuing the XL Pro.

Personally, I don't want it to get into a lot of electronically technical discussions about analog Vs digital electronics. Heck, most of us can't keep up with all he technical jargon anyway!

So far as needle-metered/alalog-metered models go, I definitely do NOT want to see it limited to only White's models. I would like to wlecome anyone using a needle-metered detector, such as the Scanner series, The Challengers, the Mark I and Tek. 8500B and even the VLF/TR's that had a needle meter with more limited application.

Just my take of what they were looking for. An analog display rather than digital readout type restriction.

Now, to grab the XL Pro and head out while the sun shines before the snow flies!

Monte

 

[lowbudget]

With all the old analog detectors out there I think it is a much needed forum. My 6000 Series 3 is probably older than a lot of the posters on the other forums. It still works like a champ even though it has been moved to "back up status". Jusy my .02 worth
Mike

 

[Joe Patrick]

Monte,

Yes, those brands would be my interest also, but without excluding the 'technical talk' if that happened to come up as a question or post. I also agree that it should be limited to only analog needle-pointer type target ID metal detectors.

Obviously, as far as subject matter, I, personally, am looking for a broader scope than this forum was intended. It already seems to be taking on a life as a White's-only analog target ID forum and as Bill stated, that was it's initial intent - which I was unaware of. That is not a 'con' in any way, just not what I was looking for. From reading the forum 'banner' - which is what initially attracted me to this forum - it lead me to believe that the forum was open to discussing all 'old style' detectors.

Sometimes, too much diversification can be a bad thing, as it leads to a loss of focus. Perhaps it is best, as Bill has stated, that this forum/classroom keep its initial intent of being for White's analog target ID metal detector users.

Joe

 

[Mr.Bill]

I did state I was open to all detector talk on analog meter types. Nothing is cast in stone.

Mr. Bill

I am open to any type of analog meter detector talk regardless of brand.

 

[Joe Patrick]

Hey Old Tymer,

No problem ... sometimes I am just too blunt and to the point. I would love to be a moderator of a forum, but I just have too many irons in the fire and never enough time to do all that I would like to.

I am interested in ALL metal detectors - new and old. After about 25 years in the hobby and business, I still find everything about it to be extremely interesting and fascinating.

Just recently, I purchased another Teknetics Mark I (LTD) to 'play' with. I've owned three Mark I's over the years and for a (approximate) 20-year-old model, it still performs quite well and fascinates and impress me with its 'timeless' mechanical and electrical design - Teknetics was years ahead of its time.

To finance the design and manufacturing of my Patriot Target A.I.M. PRO meter, I sold off much of my detector collection several years ago. At that time, I had about 25 new and old models that I 'played' with. Now, I am in the 'buy-back' mode and am slowly purchasing various brands and models to add back into my collection.

I find that all brands and models have their pros and cons and something can be learned from examining and using each one. To me, having, using and 'playing' with different metal detectors is almost as much fun as detecting in itself.

Joe

 

[Joe Patrick]

Mr. Bill,

If you want to go that route, then you should update your opening banner statement so that visitors have a 'clear cut' preamble as to what this forum is all about.

Either way, I will be checking back from time to time to see 'what's happening' here. I read most detecting forums daily.

Joe

 

[Cody]

I deleted my post, if anyone cares, because I realized the forum is intended for detectors that are of the older and/or analog as the predominant technology.

I understand the forum is not for advanced technical questions based on the responses I have received so far. I personally have no problems with that. It would be very difficult to respond to technical questions beyond my understanding so learned in those years at the university to simply confess that I don't know the answers and don't have all the answers. Ha

Most of us however have a fairly good idea of how to use the new and older detectors if we have been in the hobby for any length of time. This gives the moderators and participants opportunities for lively discussion in these areas which is great. In depth technical discussions that are only "understood" by a few can be a serious hindrance to a forum that is really to discuss the application of the technology as we all know. Analog, hybrid, and digital are rapidly changing and defining the lines between them are difficult.

The moderators have attempted clarifications and it seems obvious to me that the creator of a forum has every right to establish the boundaries of topics to be discussed.

I enjoy all the forums and will drop in on this one now and then. I personally greatly appreciate the job being done by the sponsors and owners of Finds Treasure Forums.

 

[John1948]

I have a 6000Di system 3 I like the manual ground balance use it most of the time, when I am not using my 1970 white tr.

 

[cowbell]

still like to see a patrick/payne MicroMark
old is new again. cowbell oh.