metalmedic
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Don't know the first thing about a coinstrike, it looks an awful lot like a more modern CZ7a....is there more than looks? Do the coils interchange?
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Coinstrike or CZ7a??? Any big difference:shrug:
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MarkCZ
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No! Coinstrike coils are the only ones that will work on them.
Coinstrike's (C$) got off to a bad start, I for one believe they're may have been a batch of bad coils that made it out of the factory (no proof of that) but of the few really bad reports about them I had the same problems with my first one and a replacement coil fixed it up nicely.
There is more display information with the C$ vs the CZ.
The C$ likes a little faster swing speed than the CZ(not super fast but a little faster)
Some reports claim the C$ to have more of a problem with bottle caps vs the CZ.
The Coinstrike can be amazing at picking up little round objects in a mix of trash, they also have an uncanny ability to finding DEEP Indian Head pennies.
For the most part the depth is about the same.
Coils and the like are MUCH harder to find for the C$ vs the CZ.
Some problems with the C$ is,
The factory preset is way to HOT for new users, unlike most detectors were the preset is a quick out of the box mix of settings for a new user, not so with the C$ the preset and a new user and trouble starts!!!
Some former CZ users that made the jump to the C$ tried to run it like a CZ, same slow sweep speed so that didn't help to kick start the C$ either, I'm thinking that the CZ users thought the C$ was just an upgraded CZ which turned out not to be the case.
The C$ is a bit heavy as compared to many of the more modern detectors, which may be a little heavier than the CZ5 but probably about the same as the other CZ's which was for the most part the same control housings.
The worst problem of all is a good number of people OVER thought the C$, it their mind it was complicated, toss in some bad coils that just seemed to work and it was a real head scratcher!!! and the owners manual for the C$ didn't help matters either, but the reality of it is the C$ is a pretty simple machine.
Many that finely caught on to the C$ stated that another part of the bad start for the C$ was it came out a little ahead of its time but I'm not certain about that??
Other than weight,
Or areas overly populated with crown caps the C$ can be amazing, just don't over think it! and download the Gold Strike manual to help with understanding the threshold.
Mark
Coinstrike's (C$) got off to a bad start, I for one believe they're may have been a batch of bad coils that made it out of the factory (no proof of that) but of the few really bad reports about them I had the same problems with my first one and a replacement coil fixed it up nicely.
There is more display information with the C$ vs the CZ.
The C$ likes a little faster swing speed than the CZ(not super fast but a little faster)
Some reports claim the C$ to have more of a problem with bottle caps vs the CZ.
The Coinstrike can be amazing at picking up little round objects in a mix of trash, they also have an uncanny ability to finding DEEP Indian Head pennies.
For the most part the depth is about the same.
Coils and the like are MUCH harder to find for the C$ vs the CZ.
Some problems with the C$ is,
The factory preset is way to HOT for new users, unlike most detectors were the preset is a quick out of the box mix of settings for a new user, not so with the C$ the preset and a new user and trouble starts!!!
Some former CZ users that made the jump to the C$ tried to run it like a CZ, same slow sweep speed so that didn't help to kick start the C$ either, I'm thinking that the CZ users thought the C$ was just an upgraded CZ which turned out not to be the case.
The C$ is a bit heavy as compared to many of the more modern detectors, which may be a little heavier than the CZ5 but probably about the same as the other CZ's which was for the most part the same control housings.
The worst problem of all is a good number of people OVER thought the C$, it their mind it was complicated, toss in some bad coils that just seemed to work and it was a real head scratcher!!! and the owners manual for the C$ didn't help matters either, but the reality of it is the C$ is a pretty simple machine.
Many that finely caught on to the C$ stated that another part of the bad start for the C$ was it came out a little ahead of its time but I'm not certain about that??
Other than weight,
Or areas overly populated with crown caps the C$ can be amazing, just don't over think it! and download the Gold Strike manual to help with understanding the threshold.
Mark
MarkCZ
Well-known member
Biggest Differences,
CZ Dual Frequency,
C$ Single,
CZ Large TID Blocks
C$ Numerical
CZ Discrimination and Notch all within the TID Blocks
C$ Has Iron Discrimination separate from its notch. Or to say it has a separate control for just iron 0-99 and then it uses the notch system for Foil, Nickels, Tabs, and Zinc's
CZ No memory banks
C$ has the option to use memory banks to preset settings for different hunting types or areas.
CZ doesn't have a back lite display
C$ does
CZ Has manual ground balance
C$ The C$ doesn't have a ground balance control, it has an automatic system that you hold in a button with the coil on the ground over a clean area, then raise the coil off the ground a bit and release the button, it beeps to tell you its balanced.
CZ Has no ground tracking
C$ Does (it tracks and adjust the ground balance accordingly)
CZ Has only 'no motion' all metal
C$ Has a true 'motion' all metal (other than just pinpoint)
CZ The display only shows the same information as the reported audio.
C$ The display is all metal and reads all targets, the audio is discriminate.
Mark
CZ Dual Frequency,
C$ Single,
CZ Large TID Blocks
C$ Numerical
CZ Discrimination and Notch all within the TID Blocks
C$ Has Iron Discrimination separate from its notch. Or to say it has a separate control for just iron 0-99 and then it uses the notch system for Foil, Nickels, Tabs, and Zinc's
CZ No memory banks
C$ has the option to use memory banks to preset settings for different hunting types or areas.
CZ doesn't have a back lite display
C$ does
CZ Has manual ground balance
C$ The C$ doesn't have a ground balance control, it has an automatic system that you hold in a button with the coil on the ground over a clean area, then raise the coil off the ground a bit and release the button, it beeps to tell you its balanced.
CZ Has no ground tracking
C$ Does (it tracks and adjust the ground balance accordingly)
CZ Has only 'no motion' all metal
C$ Has a true 'motion' all metal (other than just pinpoint)
CZ The display only shows the same information as the reported audio.
C$ The display is all metal and reads all targets, the audio is discriminate.
Mark
MarkCZ
Well-known member
therover said:
"therover" I was going on memory when it comes to the CZ and its been awhile now sense I had my CZ-7A pro and being mainly a coin hunter I never really use "All-Metal" outside of the "No Motion Pinpoint" But the term "Auto Tune" doesn't ring any bells for me and the CZ?? Now my Omega has the Auto-Tune mode but for some reason I was thinking that the term "Auto-Tune" was a little newer than the CZ, but I could be wrong, even the "Motion All Metal Mode" used in the C$ wasn't referred to as "Auto-Tune" Now at this time I no longer even have a CZ pdf manual, which means I could be wrong??
I know that when the C$ came out one of the HOT selling points was it had a "True Motion All-Metal Mode" and retained the "Non Motion All-Metal Pinpoint Mode" (See picture below)
"therover" if you have CZ pdf manual maybe you could post a screen shot of that information in this thread?
The TID meter on the C$ always operates in all metal no matter what operating mode the user selects, except for the pinpoint mode which I don't think of as a search mode anyway, in pinpoint the numerical scale displays a value to aid in target location.
Mark
Mark,
The analog CZ's, when looking at the Discrimination knob, have a parameter called Auto-Tune. This is the all metal setting, and it's a motion all metal setting ( as well as the setting used when ground balancing the detector using the 'bobbing method". Can't remember what this is called on the digital CZ's, but I do know it acts the same ( ie, motion all metal).
When hunting in Auto-Tune (all metal), there is no tone id or meter reading, and the unit/coil is highly sensitive and has a wide footprint. In this mode, the sensitivity control is usually at 9-10, and a faint warble like threshold is heard as opposed to silent search in discrimination mode ( although if you lower the sensitivity, you can in essence be in 'silent mode' since you won't hear the warble).
Hope that helps.
The analog CZ's, when looking at the Discrimination knob, have a parameter called Auto-Tune. This is the all metal setting, and it's a motion all metal setting ( as well as the setting used when ground balancing the detector using the 'bobbing method". Can't remember what this is called on the digital CZ's, but I do know it acts the same ( ie, motion all metal).
When hunting in Auto-Tune (all metal), there is no tone id or meter reading, and the unit/coil is highly sensitive and has a wide footprint. In this mode, the sensitivity control is usually at 9-10, and a faint warble like threshold is heard as opposed to silent search in discrimination mode ( although if you lower the sensitivity, you can in essence be in 'silent mode' since you won't hear the warble).
Hope that helps.
MarkCZ
Well-known member
therover said:
Your correct! I downloaded a CZ 7a-pro manual and sure enough the manual states it as having a motion All-Metal Auto-Tune mode! I guess because I just never used that mode on the one I owned I had forgotten it even had it.
So in my above post I stand corrected on the below comment,
MarkCZ From Above Post said:
They both have a form of "Motion All-Metal" even though the C$ manual states a "True Motion All-Metal" as the CZ manual does not include "True" in its statement, I have no idea if there is any difference in them or not?
Mark
You have to run in in that mode for awhile to start to get the nuances of it, but you begin to get additional information about target signature, size, etc.
It's a good beach mode when there are not a lot of targets as the coil has a wider foot print and you can cover more ground.
Thanks for the C$ v CZ comparison traits. The C$ has always been a cool unit...just a bit mis-interpreted.
It's a good beach mode when there are not a lot of targets as the coil has a wider foot print and you can cover more ground.
Thanks for the C$ v CZ comparison traits. The C$ has always been a cool unit...just a bit mis-interpreted.
metalmedic
Member
Mark, I was looking at deal and was hoping my cz coils would fit! The coils won't fit, the machine I was looking at sold, but thanks to all a yall I can make an educated purchase next time.
Thanks
Thanks