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DD LOOP DISCLOSURES (long post)

Sean, I don't know anything about securities law in the UK, but in the United States, the offering of securities is tightly regulated. I would recommend you get some legal advice, if you have not yet done so, before offering shares for sale, as doing it in the wrong way could bring a lot of grief.
It's very hard to sell ideas to an existing company. Many companies won't even talk to independent inventors. There are a number of reasons for this, some smart and some not, but mostly the former.
I gather that the intellectual property you're trying to sell is not just one easily described thing, but a whole pile of technology. Very few companies would be willing to sign a NDA on such a proposal. It creates a huge internal problem for them, having to document everything they are doing or have done in the past, in a way that would stand up in court if there were ever a dispute over priority. And, it effectively puts you in ownership of whatever ideas their in-house engineers might have come up with anyway, similar to your own. Which, of course, they are betting their engineers probably will. Their cost just to take a peek at your IP is enormous. It's usually their perception that there isn't much likelihood that a contract resulting from that peek would include enough profit to make the gamble worthwhile.
Regarding cost, if what you're proposing involves new mechanical tooling, new searchcoils, new software, and heavy duty high performance technology, the works, all-new, I'd put the development cost closer to US$500,000 for an already-existing company. This is a matter I've had to think through on my own prospective projects. Might be able to do it for $250,000 if the company takes a lot of unpleasant shortcuts.
--Dave J.
 
Hey Sean, Dave and all
I agree with everything Dave said, except it would cost more than $500,000 if, the design isn't complete, meaning doesn't quite work yet, the design hasn't been completely tested, the design hasn't been designed with cost effective fairly readily available multiple source parts and materials, blah, blah, blah. Got $100,000 in each of two plastic moulds. Got to run adds. Got to make adds. Got to have a web site, or you ain't nuthing. Can get real expensive real quick now a days.
As far the stock, I don't know the law in UK either, but in US you can not sell this to the general public, meaning everyone except venture captialists who are listed as knowing exactly what they are up against.
As far as Non-Disclosure Agreements are concerned I have signed a many (not metal detector related) and consider it a bit of a joke, especially for the guy who reveals everything and thinks he is protected by a NDA. The old world ain't really changed that much in the last 2000 years, you tell someone---now they know.
JC
 
It use to be that if you made an offering to a small group of people, less than 25, you didn't need to register the offering with the SEC. It would be considered a partnership. I'm not sure if the law is still the same. In this case, since Sean is making the offer from the UK, their laws would apply, but I'm not sure. Any attorneys (or barristers) in the house?
 
Hi All,
I've looked into the EXACT costing, nsad they come out at around $400,000. I agree $500,000 would offer better security for the project.
As regards securities, I was really looking for a venture capitalist, but hoped someone might see this posting and get in touch.
As it happens, i have had three replies to my personal email address, and all three have requested NDA's to sign.
I have access to $350,000 worth of security, and that's not the kind of money most detector companies can afford to pay out in law suits. I agree an NDA isn't TOTAL protection, but neither is a patent.
I'll just have to keep trying. MANY thanks for the advice guys.
Know any rich investors? :p
 
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