DeepTech detectors, I just don't understand

[SkiWhiz]

I don't have or ever had any of the DeepTech detectors but I have done alot of reading about them. Everyone says they are a deep detector (that's a good thing), they are fast (that's a good thing), but what I don't understand is that why folks say that they are a good relic hunter,etc..... but not a good coin or jewelry hunter because of their discrimination or lack of. No matter what detector I have I set the disc. to just knock out a small nail, so I can't understand why a DeepTech wouldn't be a good detector even if their disc. only knocks out iron and foil.

 

[TellYaWhut]

The Vista line of metal detectors are great at seperating non-ferrous from ferrous (iron). They have a low range discriminator and thus large foil is about the limit of metal discrimination. The Vista's as you mentioned are deep and combined with its unmasking abilities are excellent at finding ANY non-ferrous targets including coins. It is a one or two tone machine (no visual meter), a pulltab will have the same tone as a coin. Along with successfully finding coins you'll end up with a truck load of non-ferrous junk. The Vista's are one of the best detectors in an old battlefield.......really any area where even the junk is ancient and of value. Relic metal detector.

 

[amcjavelin]

on the Vista gold and rg 1000 I had I could tell you if it was a pull tab or not a pulltab has a signature nuance to it you will get a split second spit over it and just after the sweep but you do have to use the treasurewise head phones or calrads to hear it I tried a high priced pair and couldn't tell the differences with it

 

[Keith Southern]

Exactly Ski....If you are more into dig it all,, but the worlds most common metal ( Nail's) then the Deeptech's will serve you well.....

I hunt alot of old habitation sites that have bend hunted to death over and over so anything that reads above a nail is worth investigating...

actually if you cant precisely dial in the nail rejection in some of my sites you will walk away empty handed...

So the precise razor edge rejection a fuller iron spread disc only allow's will unmask more..Also a fast tight ellitpical DD will do wonders plus the ability to allow the machine to have 2 tone's that split's the tone where you set the disc offer's even more audible intelligence to the hunt...if you allow the machine to just free flow the audio instead of having to say report then null then report then null you allow the machine to unmask a bit better in tight iron by just kepping the audio gate open and just letting it flow like water....

the Deeptechs are designed for unlocking iron laden sites...I find the Gold to work the best for me of the Deeptech's, some like the Smart...

I am just a High freq, tight DD type hunter so the 25kHz the Gold offers is very enticing to me in looking for small brass in iron...and it should be a go to for a jewelry hunter...actually a no brainer....Unless you are on a saltwater beach environment....

I think the Deeptech's especially the gold are on a level playing field for unlocking an iron site with the best out there right now if you want to use 2 tone's...

I have tried alot of the Euro machine's here of late and the Deeptech especially the gold for me is as good as there is for unmasking in iron when comapring to the european detector's...when used properly and accordingly...

theres alot of great detectors made today in the States and in other parts of the world but if you like to use nail reject and like to find low conductors in iron by using more than a single tone then the Deeptechs are very competitive..

Keith

 

[SkiWhiz]

Thanks everyone for your input and special thanks to you Keith, I watch your videos and really enjoy them. I have been detectorless for most of the summer (first time in along time) due to selling my detector for needed $$$. It will probably be winter time (tax return) when I will be able to afford a detector and will look long and hard at the Deeptech's. I think that Ithey would be right up my alley as I like and am used to using the beep & dig Tesoro's and the Minlab Musketeer's.

 

[planetaryjunkman]

OP here in the UK l have been using a Deeptect Vista Smart for over a year and l have tried other machines costing 3x more,the XP Deus for instance, but never sell my Smart, it does everything l want it to do.
A deep machine, l think l find large hammered coins deeper than l have with any other machine in almost 25 years detecting, on the flip side it finds tiny non ferrous items, tiny Roman minims only a few millimeters diameter, what more would anyone want from a machine?

The Deus l had for a few weeks was ok, but thats all, just ok, for a machine 3x more expensive all l found good was the fact it was wireless, but what a pain charging everything up all the time and worrying ,on site, if one of the componants was going to run out! It can be deep with the right program, but l found myself tweaking this and that, swapping programs, wondering if if everything was working in unison together, instead of actually detecting

My Smart works on most sites without needing to touch anything, maybe a tweak on the GB, but just switch on and go, what a pleasure to use, and no l do not work for Deeptech, l just tell as l find.The Smart is not perfect, what machine is? Here in the UK we get hot rocks and coke, the Smart finds it difficult to disc these out, but after a while you can tell the difference and ignore them, small price to pay for all the positives the Smart offers.

Some muppets in the UK have moaned about build quality, yes, the Smart is never going to win any beauty prizes for its looks, but for me its all about what a machine finds, and l`ve used the Smart for over a year, the Gold for a good 6 months and have never broken anything on any of them.If you`re the type that just slings a machine in the boot of your car and pays no heed to looking after a sensitive electrical instrument, then the Vistas are probably not for you! Take care of them and they will pay for themselves several times over, mine have.

Bare in mind, if they were made to the build quality of the Deus etc, they would`nt be the

 

[Southwind]

My experience has been if you turn the discrimination way down pretty much all detectors have the same depth and recovery. If you are not a dig-it-all type hunter, like myself, then discrimination abilities becomes much more a factor when buying a detector.

 

[planetaryjunkman]

My experience has been if you turn the discrimination way down pretty much all detectors have the same depth and recovery. If you are not a dig-it-all type hunter, like myself, then discrimination abilities becomes much more a factor when buying a detector.

Sorry, but l disagree, l`ve used all the top machines over the years and l use minimum disc all the time and go by what my ears tell me and l can quite catagorically say l have never dug hammered silver coins at the depth my Smart gets them and that includes Minelabs, not the CTX3030, because quite honestly, l would never pay that kind of money for any detector.

If your statement is true, why spend rediculous money on your CTX3030 if you think all machnes have the same depth capabilities?From your list l have used DFX, Deus, F75 normal and Ltd, Explorer SE, X-Terra 70, Sov GT and near enough all Tesoro`s since the Silver Sabre mk1 and none can come close to the Smart.

My only experience with the CTX3030 is watching a lad who comes with us, he`s a para and often overseas, but he can only work the perimeters of fields, he never ventures in the middle because his CTX can`t cope with contaminated ancient sites, last time out he was thinking of going back to a Deus as `it was much more enjoyable` and he found more.

We have done comparison tests and all my mates recognise how deep the Smart goes, so not all machines do the same job, see the videos, you can`t see the difference between the Smart, Gold and RG1000?

 

[Southwind]

Hey no need to apologize because you have a difference in opinion.

In your case I can see where you have little need for features. Kind of like someone living in an area where it remains 70 degrees most of the time would put little importance on having a car with air conditioning.

I also have owned all the top models, including the CTX 3030, and have found the high-end features most important. Now 20 years ago I was your typical dig it all hunter and the basic beep-N-dig machine was my choice. In fact, I was the person who would argue with others about the use of all those fancy"bells & whistles". Now is a different story. I'm what I like to call a selective hunter, some may call it 'cherry picking". I don't need to dig every chirp and peep to feel I'm getting all the good stuff and not leaving goodies behind. I have taken the best there is and gone back over the spots I did my selective hunting and found nothing I missed to tell me I should be digging it all. My time is far more valuable now, due to having less, so I need to make it count and that means selective recovery. I go home with pretty much nothing but keepers and it takes a very good machine to do that reliably. I know I'm not going to go home feeling I've got the goods with a $400 or less detector. I've tried most them all and they fail. Great for the dig it all people, but just not for the selective hunter like me.

To clarify, they all pretty much have the same depth IF all you plan to do is turn the discrimination off. Where the money machines shine is being able to tell the user to recover or not. That my friend is worth the money for me. If you're going to dig it all then why spend the money for a full featured machine?

 

[liaso]

My experience has been if you turn the discrimination way down pretty much all detectors have the same depth and recovery. If you are not a dig-it-all type hunter, like myself, then discrimination abilities becomes much more a factor when buying a detector.

Sorry, but l disagree, l`ve used all the top machines over the years and l use minimum disc all the time and go by what my ears tell me and l can quite catagorically say l have never dug hammered silver coins at the depth my Smart gets them and that includes Minelabs, not the CTX3030, because quite honestly, l would never pay that kind of money for any detector.

If your statement is true, why spend rediculous money on your CTX3030 if you think all machnes have the same depth capabilities?From your list l have used DFX, Deus, F75 normal and Ltd, Explorer SE, X-Terra 70, Sov GT and near enough all Tesoro`s since the Silver Sabre mk1 and none can come close to the Smart.

My only experience with the CTX3030 is watching a lad who comes with us, he`s a para and often overseas, but he can only work the perimeters of fields, he never ventures in the middle because his CTX can`t cope with contaminated ancient sites, last time out he was thinking of going back to a Deus as `it was much more enjoyable` and he found more.

We have done comparison tests and all my mates recognise how deep the Smart goes, so not all machines do the same job, see the videos, you can`t see the difference between the Smart, Gold and RG1000?

Please tell me how is the Smart compared with Tejon?

Liaso

 

[Southwind]

Well I've done more than my share of comparison tests(see my youtube channel for DCDetector) and found most to be a bit manipulated, to put it kindly. You can find a video to support pretty much any concept you have, problems is, they can't all be right, right? I've always had good luck putting my money of what I see the majority reporting as good and what is being used. The Smart/Gold and RG1000 might be the cats whiskers over in the UK, but here in the US it's a whole different situation. I can assure you IF the Smart was a top contender here on US soil, it would be in the list of top used machines. As an example I use the E-Trac. Not a US made machine but without a doubt a top rated US used detector. Why? because it has proved itself as a top contender. Cream will always rise to the top on reputation alone.

 

[liaso]

Well I've done more than my share of comparison tests(see my youtube channel for DCDetector) and found most to be a bit manipulated, to put it kindly. You can find a video to support pretty much any concept you have, problems is, they can't all be right, right? I've always had good luck putting my money of what I see the majority reporting as good and what is being used. The Smart/Gold and RG1000 might be the cats whiskers over in the UK, but here in the US it's a whole different situation. I can assure you IF the Smart was a top contender here on US soil, it would be in the list of top used machines. As an example I use the E-Trac. Not a US made machine but without a doubt a top rated US used detector. Why? because it has proved itself as a top contender. Cream will always rise to the top on reputation alone.

I'm sure that there is subjectivity in some reviews ...but maybe there is someone who used them both and have an opinion concerning them..I have a Vista Smart which i think is a good detector but i feel that i need something deeper..


Thanks,
Liaso

 

[planetaryjunkman]

I can assure you IF the Smart was a top contender here on US soil, it would be in the list of top used machines.

Maybe the fact its `NOT` in the list of top used machines tells you something? Why would anyone want to judge a machine in the top of a used detector list, people sell their used machines if they don`t rate them, surely if they`re not selling them it speaks volumes?

l can only go on my findings and it works for me, l dug the pictured object from at least 18" and the iniatial signal was barely a whisper, it got stronger and stronger as l dug down, ok ,its only a large lump of lead weighing almost 1lb, a counterweight or similar, but could easily have been a pot of Roman coins or bronze age axe head, l have never dug anything like that at depth before with any machine.

l agree with you a lot of machines do do the same, find items in the first few inches, but the Smart is different. Years ago, and now with most machines, anything more than 10" -12" was invarably a bit chuck of iron, but not with the Smart, you have to dig all deep signals, yes some are iron, but the amount of times it surprises you and its something worth digging never seizes to amaze me.No other machines have shocked me ,at times, like the Smart.

Thats why l`m keeping mine, as for the E-Trac, its got its place, but if you want to dig 50 holes in a session instead of 200 thats the E-Trac, surely the more holes/targets you dig the greater percentage of good finds over bad will be?

Liaso...its a Tesoro...sensitive to small items but no depth, like all Tesoro`s.

 

[therover]

If that Smart gave a whisper signal and that made you investigate it, that means you know what to listen for.

The DeepTechs give off some mean audio, and once you learn those sounds and differences, a lot of deep and good low conductive targets will be found.

 

[planetaryjunkman]

If that Smart gave a whisper signal and that made you investigate it, that means you know what to listen for.

The DeepTechs give off some mean audio, and once you learn those sounds and differences, a lot of deep and good low conductive targets will be found.

Ohhh yeah...always rely on your ears rather than a meter, meters can be wrong

 

[Southwind]

surely if they`re not selling them it speaks volumes?

Well, when I look in the auto classifieds I don't see many Volkswagens for sale. Am I to take this to mean it is because people are so happy with their Volkswagens, or perhaps it is just because there are a lot fewer sold in the first place?

I'm sure for the type of hunting you do you have what you feel does the best job. Of course we all know that knowing how to use what you use is what really counts. I use the E-Trac because I dig fewer holes than with any other detector. I'm your selective recoverer remember? I go home on average with only 3-4 keepers but only dig 4-6 holes. I like a detector that tells me a lot more than just sound. I understand the value of knowing your detector of choices language, but I also realize visual aids can be just as informative to the person willing to learn it. After all, in most cases, both the sound and visual information being sent to the user comes from the same output of the circuit. In other words, there is nothing you can tell from sound you can't also see visually on a good high-end VDI machine if you know what to look for. If you have a detector with 12 target ID segments you aren't going to benefit much at all compared to say a 191 target ID segment machine. Just like knowing what to listen for. And very often there is far more visual information being sent to the user than audio. I. E. graphing with ground noise to target noise comparisons etc.

In the end it really is the user who makes the difference.

And then sometimes you just can't explain it. I have a site that was an old carnival grounds from 1914 to the early 30's. I took my DFX and hunted this good sized park and found many nice Indians, barbers, tokens and rings. Many were just at the depth ability of the DFX. Roughly 6-7". I always figured there had to be lots I missed. Over the years I have now taken my E-Trac, the Deus, the F57 SE and all my past detectors to the site, and not as much as a single penny has been found. I mean not a single solitary missed keeper.

 

[planetaryjunkman]

Well I do think Volkwagen sell a lot of cars lol, but l agree with most of your reasoning, but ref audio/VDI , for instance, the Deus, l was getting a lot of signals through the headphones that just did`nt show on the meter, especially with the new V3.1 software, so had to go by audio only, they were too deep for it to make up its mind.

l`m not sure if thats true of all VDI meters, to my mind there are 2 different modes of detecting, those who like fiddling with settings and programs while on the hunt, l call these serious relic hunters, head down and plod away all day, and those, like myself, who just want to get on with it and dig, coin shooting for Roman coins and anything inbetween is a bonus.I had a Whites XLT for many years and, it was cutting edge, way ahead of its time, l found myself tweaking this, fine tuning that, wondering if l changed one setting would change another and so on, to the point it became confusing.

The only metered machine l rated was my T2, had some nice finds with it, especially in all-metal, deadly on worked out sites, definately got added depth and that meter was accurate.

Once l would have agreed with you on worked out sites, but todays technology has opened them up again, we are going deeper than days gone by.We work fields that have been abandoned by the local club, who searched them year in year out for 30 years.Some have not been detected on for a few years and, believe me, these sites are producing again.The East European machines, the Vista`s, Golden Masks etc, do the business, trust me.

l see from your stable of machines you have no Bulgarian machines, have you tried any?

 

[SkiWhiz]

If I was to get one of these DeepTech detectors it wouldn't be riding in a Volkwagen but would be riding in a Suzuki SX4, do you think that they would get along ok .

 

[sweepdog]

relic1864 has a bunch of excellent videos on all the deep tech detectors. i highly recommend checking them out.

 

[Sven]

If I was to get one of these DeepTech detectors it wouldn't be riding in a Volkwagen but would be riding in a Suzuki SX4, do you think that they would get along ok .

Tell us the truth now, don't be ashamed, we all know you ride a Cowasaki