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:detecting:COLORADO GHOST TOWN HUNTING?:shrug:

TONE JUNKY

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I'm planning a trip to Colorado this summer & I'm looking for info on ghost town hunting. You know, "where to go?, is it OK to MD?" That sort of thing. I've ordered some books & checked the Internet. Just looking for some personal experiences. Any help would be appreciated.
 
Like St. Elmo's or Victoria for example, for anything other than prospecting.
 
Thanks, JW, are you from their, or just been their before? We'll be going to Durango for 10 days, so I'll be looking in that area.
 
oh but of COURSE he would only be "nugget" hunting (or meteorite hunting, or any other such "allowed" use of detectors), right? And if he should "accidentally" find a coin or a relic ..... oh well! :drinking:
 
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I'm sure I've checked ghost towns in the Natnl Forest but most times not. Way too many people and rangers in the Durango area. Don't get caught around the mining claims either. There may some places; would like to hear from Colorado people.
 
But all National land/seashore is off limits to metal detecting for archaeological items, such as those valuable zinc pennies, old coke cans, and gum wrappers. They are IMHO ridiculous rules but what are you going to do. prospecting is allowed in most National Forests and BLM land, just don't get caught with an item encrusted with dirt as suggested above, because if the Ranger is hard azzed you will lose your vehicle, detectors, and they will go to your house and confiscate everything you have found with a detector, oh... and throw you in jail.
Not trying to spoil your detecting, just warning you of asinine Gov't. Regs.
 
JW, this "jail" and "confiscations" stuff gets posted now and then, but when you press people for examples, few are forthcoming. I'm willing to bet that most are persons who were night-sneaking obvious historical sites, or someone who was being a nuisance, couldn't take a warning, etc.... Yes there might be a few horror stories of guys getting roughed up by an overzealous ranger, but they are few and far apart indeed.

Out here in the west (deserts of CA, AZ, NM, etc...) there is a LOT of federal land. While driving the backroads, my buddy and I do not hesitate to stop and check remote foundations in the middle of nowhere. No one's ever said anything to me. And the few times I have been stopped by federal employees (army bases, presidio of SF, Stanislaus national forest, etc...) I've gotten nothing but a "scram" or a "you can't do that" or "you can only keep coins less than 50 yrs. old" or whatever. Not that I would promote hunting on federal parks, just saying that the "jail and confiscations" line is a very rare occurance. Like, so too is a driver sometimes roughed up and arrested for a simple tail-light infraction, but not often enough to make sit home and be afraid to drive.
 
...and here's what i consider some good advice on the subject. take from it what you will.

i lived in Denver/Boulder for 12 years. i did extensive research on Ghost Towns of the Eastern Plains.
folks out there didn't have a lot of money to start with, and the Dust Bowl wiped most of 'em out.
 
ooops, double posted.
 
sangamon, I can understand someone sincere intent of making a web-site like that. And I can understand someone else's fear or passing on links like that. But the problem is, well, YES, there are isolated incidents of someone getting "roughed up" for digging that wheat penny in a national forest (or the 7 year old kid diggin for matchbox car toys, or any other such silly isolated incident alleged in that link). SO TOO is a motorist roughed up, jailed, etc... now and then for a simple tail light infraction by an over-zealous cop. Will that stop you from driving?

What happens is .... EVEN if it is only one example of ONE city or fed park or whatever, where someone actually gave a durn and even noticed or paid attention to the geeky md'r, what happens is, that in this wonderful information age of the internet, those exceptions get posted, and posted, and posted again and again, and pretty soon, everyone thinks they therefore "need permission" for the most innocuous of public city schools, sandboxes, etc.... Afterall they reason: after reading a link like that, "better safe than sorry", right? But a curious thing starts happening then: When people start showing up at bureaucrat's offices asking "can I metal detect" (or even sillier "safe" things like asking some bureaucrat to sign permission slips, etc...), then you start getting incidents of the answer "no", where in fact, NO ONE REALLY EVER CARED before. I mean, what do you think that desk-bound bureaucrat's easy answer is? It's almost like they invent a law or rule to "address your pressing issue".

Lest you think I'm making this up, take the case of Utah's state park system: Up till a number of years ago, the issue of metal detecting was not addressed in their state park system's rules. Oh sure, something might have been morphed to apply (like "don't disturb the vegetation" or whatever), but otherwise, it was basically silent on the issue. However, a few years ago, lo & behold, specific wording actually spelling out metal detecting got on the books, to disallow it. What was interesting is that in the very text around this new rule, they give the reason for this clarification: "Due to repeated inquiries about the legality of metal detecting, it has been determined that .... " blah blah blah. So you see how these skittish people (no doubt reading links like the one you give), cower in fear thinking "better ask permission, better check, etc..."

The best advice I can give for someone who's not sure, is NOT to approach it from a "permission" perspective (Ie.: "can I metal detect here?"). That just gives someone the opportunity to say "no, just because I said so, and/or "I don't think it's a good idea" (afterall, they probably imagine geeks with shovels). Instead, if you are in doubt, look it up yourself. Rules are usually written at the park entrance, on pamphlets at the check-in-booth, or on a city, county, or state web-site. If it's silent on the issue, then GO.
 
Tom, i agree with you for the most part; i have read your argument time and again. also, i have posted the above link a few times before. personally, i don't even bother with state- or federally-controlled lands... here in Indiana the rules are clearly spelled out in the Department of Natural Resources literature: essentially, no metal detecting anywhere (on DNR land) except sand-covered beaches, and then only with a permit. that rule was obviously written as a reaction to a misuse of DNR land. i am not attempting to discourage anyone from doing what they will, but it certainly doesn't hurt to know what the risks are. trespassing is not only illegal, it is wrong, and there is a well-publicized Code of Ethics which guides conscientious detectorists. some choose to break the rules, and in my area, that has caused many public areas to be forever ruled off-limits. i urge you to ask, for example, Bryce-IL if he wants folks to ruin his ability to hunt public lands in his area... good grief, there were some rogues around here a few years ago who thought it would be OK to dig up courthouse lawns and cemeteries in the middle of the night. obviously, the line had to be drawn, and it was.

i don't advocate that anybody go crawling, hat in hand, to every local council to get "permission" to hunt public property. but many rules are already in place, so why not become educated, and if necessary, go through proper channels to avoid a real hassle? or at least, be aware of the risks involved? you have some valid points, but i don't think anybody with a metal detector has an absolute right to hunt wherever they damn well please. bottom line, if you don't feel comfortable in a particular location, there's probably a good reason for that, and you should move on. it's really up to the individual. if you wish to criticize me for trying to be helpful, then i suppose that's your business. as i stated in my previous post: take from it what you will.
 
to ruin ones day and screw it up for many. If It is not posted by all means detect it, but this doen't apply to National Parks, Forests, or Seashores. Prospecting is allowed in most National Parks, Forests, and BLM land
 
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