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Deus ll question ?

Ronstar

Well-known member
Monte, I pretty much follow your reasoning. I’ve been contemplating jumping in the D2 court but I’ve only seen a couple of of folks completely take it to church and praise its being. More folks with questions and initial thoughts as stated here.
Although my individual experiences are different than a lot of others I know, and witnessed, an 800 miss a silver quarter in plain site about 4-5” deep. I have followed a 3030 around and found stuff it missed and VISE VERSA. I run an F75SE and I’m happy. No one is going to find everything on the first pass but maybe some detectors are better than others in that respect.
I think from reading all who contribute here that 99% are hobbyists rather that day to day professionalists.
 

IDXMonster

Well-known member
One other thing I can add is this, for those who don’t know. IF a person has not ever actually swung a Deus themselves….like had it in THEIR OWN HAND…and they decide to get a D2, they will be completely ASTONISHED at how light they are. It can be assumed that people who will soon own a Deus will be having conversations about the weight alone. Personally, I’ll never sacrifice performance for weight, but it would appear that both can be had in this situation. I sure hope so!
 

RichW

Active member
No, I guess you don't. Anyone can "talk shop" and not use the same tool as everyone else in the shop. And I am not alone because there are a lot of folks wandering around the shop who are not using a Deus II, like you, and many who might not have an original Deus, either.

You are correct in that
"people don't know what they don't know" and that applies to anyone who hasn't put in the amount of time with the 'tools' I currently have, or have wandered around the 'shop' where I typically detected for decades. I know what siste challenges I face, and I know which detectors (plural) have proven their abilities in those tough sites. One of those is the Deus, but it doesn't stand alone or supreme. I have good friends who have been using the Deus since it came out, and they are very successful in a loot of very tough, ferrous-challenged sites, but they are not using your relic program. They are using what they found to work for them where they like to hunt. Therefore, they have a similar 'tool' but use it differently and it works different from your relic program ... but it works for them and that's what is important. I use different tools so I am just as 'different' as they are with their Deus units using their chosen settings.

That's correct, I didn't badmouth or downplay ZP, I stated no doubt they have a decent new design. But it is also true that it isn't going to be a good 'fit' for everyone and some folks will not need everything it has to offer.



And that, Calabash, is YOUR opinion, and it sounds all encompassing for any-and-all applications. You ought to state YOUR opinions of how a particular product satisfies YOU and not tell everyone else out there in detector land what is or isn't 'superior' which is basically telling everyone else that whatever they are using, it isn't the best. It's inferior. It's not a good 'tool'.


The start of this 'Forum' is and anyone can post on any Forum. I am here because I own and use an XP ORX which I enjoy, and it does provide me with some very good performance for certain applications.

No, I have stated I have only minutes with a Deus that drove me nuts due to the 'Full Tones' audio. Partly because i don't like most full-range audio units, and partly due to my hearing impairment. But I do like a 3-Tone audio and the ORX appealed to me. As for the Deus II, I only mentioned that I cancelled my order. Many have because they don't like the wait or can't afford it or ??? I cancelled my Deus II order because I don't need one right away, and that's because until I finish rehabilitation and get back to being able to get around with my cane (which I have for 29 years as of this March), my allowable hunt-time is not going to work using a walker. I have stated, in some posts, that I'll likely get a Deus II later this year, if I like what I see after handing one, and I have a few friends who will have one I can borrow to check out.


Why, that's what you are doing here, telling folks how good the Deus II is because you own and use it. I'm not bashing with that statement because it is true, but you should just clarify that it is very good for you and where you hunt and what you want. Please don't make it sound like me and anyone else using something different are not using a 'superior' detector. And I do go to those Forums, and have several of them on my website, and I try to contribute what i can in a discussion. I try to be helpful and not tell them what they need to use. That's their choice.


There you go again. Not expressing it as your opinion for your wants and needs, but telling me, and others, that the Deus II is "the most superior detector ever made" and that, depending upon what an individual wants or needs, might not be correct. Also, I simply cancelled my Deus II order, now, for MY reasons, and that should call you out to bash me for making my decisions. It's not out here, yet, and when it is I will check one out. I have stated before that I like several things about the Deus II and will likely get one, down the road, then i can get out and use it.


The Garrett Apex is an Apex, not an Ace. And I invite you to come experience a Welcome-to-Hunt Outing in one of several ghost towns 'out west' that we hunt where you will truly be confronted with some very challenging ferrous debris. Dense Iron nails, other ferrous discards and tin. From full cans to horrendous amounts of shards of rusty tin. There are areas where the Apex w/small coil works well, and out-performs the EQ-800 and many other detectors in some of the worst Iron Nail environments. 'Depth', by the way, is not one of the necessary functions for a good detector in the nasty trash conditions. Besides, most desirable targets are not deep, anyway.



Again, you've simply made your bold and biased statement, and I am certain many readers won't post even though they know that to be incorrect. You can say the 11" DD on a Deus II can separate pretty well, but I don't think it is wise to tell anyone / everyone that is will separate better than the detectors and coils they use. Just like the folks who want to see the Deus II perform in actual in-the-field conditions for Park Hunting and such, the Deus II w/11' DD can prove its abilities when used size-by-size in a test against another device. Besides, I know my detector choices well and have put in a lot more than 65 hours on them ... and i don't hesitate to point out their weaknesses, either. No perfect detector exists.


Read what is written.. I have watched a LOT of videos, most of a month+ in the hospital and 3+ weeks back at home. Not only your videos but many others. And I didn't say a few, but I have watched a LOT of videos, from many places, using a lot of detectors, and I said many were performing about the same. Seeing is believing, and I watched and compared a lot of results from natural, in-the-field encounters.


There are "whiners and naysayers" on all forums. Have you been over to Friendly lately? I do get to several Forums other than mine, and until they get an XP ORX Forum, those of us who use an XP product will just have to post under this one. The ORX happens to be a very good detector, and I'll keep it around until I make the move to get a Deus II.


There you go again. Putting down any other make or model that might appeal to others. I have friends who use an original Deus, and most kind of like what it offers. But several of them also have an Equinox 800 or a Nokta / Makro device in their outfit that they favor over the Deus for certain tasks. Nothing is 'perfect' and therefore you are not using the 'BEST' detector made. It's just a very good detector that you happen to like for your own wants and needs for the hunting you do and the sites you select.

Monte
XP User
Avid Detectorist
Interested in a Deus I or any detector once I get it in MY hands at MY choice of sites with a coil I like.
Well I'm glad to hear many people are cancelling their orders. Maybe I can get one a lot sooner now.
 

Ted S

Well-known member
You fellas have to remember that calabash is an expert with with this machine and has weeks ahead of everyone else. He may possibly be paid by them as much as he already posted about the machine. I would be very cautious about spending that much money on a detector until I see the average weekend working and singing a song of praise for the machine. Good luck in whatever you decide!
 

Monte

Well-known member
To: Ronstar >> A lot of average readers are wondering if any new model will provide them with a benefit over what they use. I think the Deus II might be of benefit to me, but I'll hold off until this summer to find out. That will give me time to finish rehab and hopefully get mack to improved mobility

As for finding and missing targets, that's part of this great sport. Often, just for fun, I'll have a You-and-I day with a friend. Often at an old school or some place with torn-up renovation if not an otherwise level area.

We work the area in a gridded plan, and it's You go first and I will follow. We get to see what was missed and what got found. Then we move over and go the other direction where a I go first and they follow to see what I missed.

I have done this "for fun" but after a while with the same hunting buddies and you learn from it. How to work slower, overlap better, and leave less behind. It usually doesn't matter what you use because you are working on the individual and technique aspects.

Monte
 

Monte

Well-known member
Well I'm glad to hear many people are cancelling their orders. Maybe I can get one another sooner now.
I have heard from a couple others who also canceled. They will use their Deus and/or Equinox 800 until they get more in-the-field feedback. I figue that if all goes well with my recovery I might pick one up about July to September.

Good luck and I hope you can snag an early arrival.

Monte
 

Monte

Well-known member
Personally, I’ll never sacrifice performance for weight, but it would appear that both can be had in this situation. I sure hope so!
I also put high marks on performance, but due to age and health, comfort is an important factor. One of the reasons I like the ORX.

Monte
 

RichW

Active member
I have heard from a couple others who also canceled. They will use their Deus and/or Equinox 800 until they get more in-the-field feedback. I figue that if all goes well with my recovery I might pick one up about July to September.

Good luck and I hope you can snag an early arrival.

Monte
Thanks and good luck with your recovery.
 
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calabash digger

Guest
You fellas have to remember that calabash is an expert with with this machine and has weeks ahead of everyone else. He may possibly be paid by them as much as he already posted about the machine. I would be very cautious about spending that much money on a detector until I see the average weekend working and singing a song of praise for the machine. Good luck in whatever you decide!
Ok , Go look at YouTube of the people across the pond who have already got theirs....What are they saying? I don't work for XP they sent me ONE detector to test and they SOLD me three more straight from France....... Bought and paid for...That alone should tell you something....When you see me using a machine to chase relics that too should tell you something ....
 

cookie58

Active member
Ok , Go look at YouTube of the people across the pond who have already got theirs....What are they saying? I don't work for XP they sent me ONE detector to test and they SOLD me three more straight from France....... Bought and paid for...That alone should tell you something....When you see me using a machine to chase relics that too should tell you something ....
Some have been ordered since November, and you got three........
 
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calabash digger

Guest
Yes I did...Bought and paid for. Actually if you want to figure in my time and travels to video the first unit they sent me. I actually bought and paid full price for all the units I got....So enough of the he's paid rhetoric..... I have tried to bring factual videos of how the unit performs and even have my 2 best friends testing units and filming them.. I have put up my money and time to bring you guys the low down on the Deus II ....
To be called basically a liar and fraud by some....
What if I had just got my unit and said nothing or showed nothing?????
Would all y'all be happy then?
 
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Tahts-a-dats-ago

Active member
Yes I did...Bought and paid for. Actually if you want to figure in my time and travels to video the first unit they sent me. I actually bought and paid full price for all the units I got....So enough of the he's paid rhetoric..... I have tried to bring factual videos of how the unit performs and even have my 2 best friends testing units and filming them.. I have put up my money and time to bring you guys the low down on the Deus II ....
To be called basically a liar and fraud by some....
What if I had just got my unit and said nothing or showed nothing?????
Would all y'all be happy then?

I think you've done a tremendous service for all who have interest in the Deus II. You've spent a lot of time making videos, oftentimes at the request of a fellow hunter. I'm not into making videos, but I'd guess that for every 1 minute of video (posted) you spend 15 minutes in filming, editing, etc...

I doubt the average person truly understands just how much time and effort you've put into this. From my standpoint a free Deus II is nice, but I'm not sure it is worth all the trouble. It wouldn't be to me anyway.
 

IDXMonster

Well-known member
I think you've done a tremendous service for all who have interest in the Deus II. You've spent a lot of time making videos, oftentimes at the request of a fellow hunter. I'm not into making videos, but I'd guess that for every 1 minute of video (posted) you spend 15 minutes in filming, editing, etc...

I doubt the average person truly understands just how much time and effort you've put into this. From my standpoint a free Deus II is nice, but I'm not sure it is worth all the trouble. It wouldn't be to me anyway.
That’s the HUGE thing that some don’t realize…making a video that is WORTH A SH*T to someone is NOT easy! I have literally worn out 2 GoPros and several batteries have croaked from me recharging them that many times. I have wiped DAYS and DAYS worth of film off my memory card because they didn’t convey exactly what I wanted. Then people come along, traffic noise, WIND is a KILLER….making videos actually SUCKS. Some might then say, ”Why do it then?” For me, it’s a few things. I think in this world of rabid competition in just about all aspects of life, those of us who grew up on a “lower rung” of the ladder are looking for validation. We want others to know that we consider ourselves to be very good at what we do because we work very hard at it, and if the material is presented factually and clearly, in return we receive the respect of the greater community. Along with that is a genuine love of what we are doing. Lets face it, if I didn’t have to work, I’d spend every dollar and every day metal detecting. Many of us would! At least it sounds good, right? I know for a FACT that if I didn’t film and wore headphones, I’d find more than I do. The problem with that is….first…if I make an unbelievable find, it isn’t documented. That actually matters to me, in this world of “if you say it then it must be true” type of people. I want to SEE IT. If I SHOW people that it can be done and throw in a couple of nuggets of what I know to be true, that gets others involved, it’s a shared experience. BELONGING to something we are passionate about is perhaps the most important thing a person can do, it gives us a sense of PURPOSE. Lastly…for me, part of it is EGO. Don’t look at me like that, we all have one, just like belly buttons and butt holes. If I have worked for THOUSANDS OF HOURS over the course of 10-11 years to become very good at something, I’m not afraid to show off a bit to those who want to watch. It’s me saying, “With a lot of hard work and dedication, you too can do what I do”. I’m not gonna unbutton my blouse and throw on the sun dress just yet though, THAT kind of filming is for somebody else to do.
 

Ted S

Well-known member
calabash. Thank you for the explanation. Good luck with the machine. I'm not afraid to say that years ago I used to test a few race parts on my car and wrote reports...Good or bad. I am a coinhunter and an old one at that! I do well with what I have and while this is interesting,I just can't justify laying out that kind of money for a machine. Good luck with your future endeavors. Ted S
 

woodbutcher

Well-known member
Ok , Go look at YouTube of the people across the pond who have already got theirs....What are they saying? I don't work for XP they sent me ONE detector to test and they SOLD me three more straight from France....... Bought and paid for...That alone should tell you something....When you see me using a machine to chase relics that too should tell you something ....
Damn calabash,, You selling that many crusty crab cakes to afford all those Deus 2 machines? .lol...I gotta ask tho,why did you buy 3 if you had one given to you? Are you anticipating multiple breakdowns and wanna keep one always in the wing? I’m really curious about why you bought three if you don’t mind letting us know.
 
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calabash digger

Guest
I kept two...One as my main dive unit. My Mentor got one and the History Teacher got the other one. So we will test two underwater on my Youtube channel and History Teacher will do general usage test on his Youtube channel. I wish I could have gotten everybody one on this forum I know how it is to be waiting.......
 

IDXMonster

Well-known member
I kept two...One as my main dive unit. My Mentor got one and the History Teacher got the other one. So we will test two underwater on my Youtube channel and History Teacher will do general usage test on his Youtube channel. I wish I could have gotten everybody one on this forum I know how it is to be waiting.......
Will you post a link to History Teachers channel again please CD? 👍
 

woodbutcher

Well-known member
I kept two...One as my main dive unit. My Mentor got one and the History Teacher got the other one. So we will test two underwater on my Youtube channel and History Teacher will do general usage test on his Youtube channel. I wish I could have gotten everybody one on this forum I know how it is to be waiting.......
Makes sense, looking forward to theyre videos as well as yours
 
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