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Did everyone hunt this weekend?

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I got out for a few hours sat. and sun. morning before it got too hot.On Sat i was off to H-Town. This is what i came up with. The first pic is What a friend of mine tells me is a zouave button. I did a little search on the zouave's and it seems to go allong with the crazy looking uniforms they wore.And one more eagle coat button. the buttons are so fragile that when i tried to clean a little in the field ,they started to disintigrate. Look at that flake of gilt just holdin on. <img src="http://www.findmall.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12272/eb2but.jpg" alt="" />
No visable backmarks. <img src="http://www.findmall.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12272/ebzouave.jpg" alt="" />
The padlock cover, and the sharps were all found at my trusty old cavalry camp here close to home. i invited a friend to hunt this morning with me and we both came out with bullets, but the buttons are scarce now that the ground is so dry , i know that they are there, but they only seem to pop up once in a great while while diggin a bullet target.Oh well got to save somthing for later on. <img src="http://www.findmall.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12272/ebpadcover.jpg" alt="" />
anyone ever seen this mark on one of your padlocks?<img src="http://www.findmall.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12272/eball13.jpg" alt="" />
Hope every one gets out and finds there FIND.HH........................................Ed
 
ED: Looked around internet trying to find company who made your lock... best I could do is "S and Co." here is a picture of one of their lock with a similar logo.
http://members.aol.com/pdx2001/pics/il36.jpg
Third bullet in from left side of your picture of bullets looks like it has been overammed. I would like to take some measurements could you take an end on of it with a scale for me? I am interested in the impression of the ramrod.
Dave
 
Hope these are what you are looking for, if not , let me know. Can you tell what gun it was fired from?it has three lands , and groves. the gun must have been really dirty to have been ramed like that. HH.Ed<img src="http://www.findmall.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12272/eb1.jpg" alt="" /><img src="http://www.findmall.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12272/eb2.jpg" alt="" /><img src="http://www.findmall.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12272/eb3.jpg" alt="" />
 
During the CW the ammo for the .577 and the .58s cam in paper packs of 10. In the American made pack you would get 2 or 3 Williams cleaning rounds. The paper rollers these came in were a differant colour than the regular rounds. I have seen both light blue and light red used to wrap these rounds. Since "Black Powder" burns very dirty, it left deposits inside the barrel making it hard to ram more rounds. You would use the Williams Cleaning rounds every so often to scrape the inside of the Barrel. This bullet has a smaller diamiter which makes it easier to ram. When you fired the rifled-musket the base of this round was shoved up into the rear of the round. There was a curved zink washer between the base of the round and the bottom of the round. The base being moved forward flattened the washer out, as the round left the barrel the washer scraped the deposits out making it easier to load the regular rounds. The Springfields used this system, however the Enfields could also fire this round. The British , to the best of my knowledge, never made a cleaning round.
Dean (Whitby)
 
Thanks very much Ed: Man..What a beauty! You guessed it. We are trying to get back to the weapon. We (partner and I) are trying to get data on Civil War bullet forensics. But because we are here in central Missouri we are limited to bullets from the early part of the war. Williams is a rare round here for us and we hardly ever find one in the good shape. This is going to sound funny but dropped bullets don't mean very much to us because the whole story (who and what) is told in the shot bullets.
The soils here "eat" cartridges so we don't get to look in detail at marks on them. Given lemons as they say. So we are looking for ramrod dimensions and Land and Groove counts and dimensions.
One thing, from the top picture we can get a good land measurement would it be possible for you to rephotograph showing a groove? BTW, if you would like to ever rifle trace doing this kind of stuff we can tell you in more detail and recommend some books. You will feel wierd the first time you dig a bullet and instead you yelling to your partner ".69" you yell "Lorenz" or "foreign".
Thanks again for all the help.
Dave
 
Any info. i can get is all good. so you are helping me out greatly. This Rookie needs help , that is for sure. LOL .Here is the groves ,let me in on any info you find. thanx again..............HH.............Ed<img src="http://www.findmall.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12272/ebgroves.jpg" alt="" />
 
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