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Excel in Iron

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I saw this this post on another forum recently, and since I own a Tejon, and am considering an Excel, it really caught my eye.
"Just a few friends getting together to do a little relic hunting.I did use the Tejon and I had my Fisher Excel ID in the truck. But this site was not one to use the Fisher on. Too much iron in the ground.I think all of us dug a little iron (some more than others)and I did dig my share.I also found some good stuff."
If the Excel is noisier in iron than the Tejon, then God help us!
BarnacleBill
 
The Excel & C$'s ability to handle iron is their #1 strong suit. The guy really should have tried the Excel there...he may have been surprised <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)"> It sorta reads to me like the old way everyone usted to believe that all Fisher's love iron. That tag has been pinned onto Fisher ever since the 1266x & then CZ's mis-ID'ed some square nails. It's really too bad this has stuck, because this is totally different engineering. I wouldn't let that 1 post stop ya from considering an Excel, especially since he didn't even take it outta the truck to see if it acted like an "old Fisher" <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)"> Our Excels are nice & quiet & all iron goes to a negative number when checked with a diff. sweep. HH, Bill
 
What you said that is. <img src="/metal/html/wink.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=";)">
The new Fishers are far different in iron handling than the old and the Excel does a great job in iron. In fact if you handle it properly using a lot of overlap (like you would using a smaller than stock coil) its seperation abilities are as good as anything out there, including the 1235/1236 machines which are well known for their seperation abilities.
I have used the 1236X2 for literally hundreds of hours in all kinds of conditions and the ID Excel is every bit as good. It runs quieter is deeper than the 1236 and you have the benefit of tones and numeric ID.
Tom
 
Now that's gonna be FUN! <img src="/metal/html/super.gif" border=0 width=26 height=28 alt=":super">
 
Hey Bill,
I hope its more like 6" which is what the rumor is, but we will have to wait and see.
One thing I noticed on the Excel is that there is a definite "hot spot" on the 8" coil that really gets down in between the trash.
Check this out when you get a chance. Air test a dime perpendicular to the coil, the same as it would see the dime on edge in the ground. Check it for maximum air distance over the center of the coil and then compare the distance you get when passing it over the heel of the coil below where it connects to the rod. There is a definite sensitiviy gain under that part of the coil.
Tom
 
At the risk of infurianting some of you older detectorists.....IMO....it all boils down to Fisher detectors that go DEEP such as the 1266 and CZs....can DETECT deeper than they can DISCRIMINATE.....so therefore, they (LOVE IRON) as some detectorist claim.....you can say this or say that BUT, that is the cut of it!......IF MY detector can detect an object very deep as most FISHERS do, BUT, CAN'T DICS. THOSE OBJECTS as deep..... then ALL will sound GOOD!!!...simple math!!!!.....OK you oldtimers.....lets hear some response.....
 
Right on the love iron thingie,On the CZ's and C$, and other Fishers i have had and have, they don't necessarrily love iron, they just love really deep stuff, and around here most of that is steel, iron, or steel culverts, there are exceptions, i did find a pocket watch at 12 in, and a 14 in. steel culvert at 48 in, neither were iron, here in Indiana you just don't find many coins deeper than 6-8 in. cause they aren't there, unless they were dropped in construction or digging, i just like to dig good solid hits, mainly so i can see what it is, thru the years iv'e probly had 30-40 detectors, never kept track, just like <IMG SRC="/metal/html/fisher.jpg" BORDER=0 width=60 height=13 ALT="f~"> a whole lot better for many reasons <img src="/metal/html/wink.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=";)">
 
I almost added some more to my post before, because your right. I used a 1266x for years....loved it. Sometimes wish I still had it <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)"> Man that thing went DEEP <img src="/metal/html/shocked.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":shock"> I know people who still swear the 1266x is the best of all time. I went from the 1266x to a CZ-6. Another deepseeker with the same "iron" rap. But after awhile, long time users seem to dig alot less iron with these units. I always felt that there was a good trade off with those older Fishers. That is, YES you may dig some iron now & again, but your getting deeper than everybody else <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)"> So yea, maybe another popular brand never mis-ID'ed on a square nail. But they also were getting about half the depth in some cases <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)"> Besides, for me as a colonial relic-type hunter sometimes there were goodies like iron tools & musket parts we wanted anyhow.
 
No doubt about it! All detectors love iron to some extent and those that are deep seekers will have you digging more. I accepted that as a truism long before I saw opinions regarding the subject on the internet forum or read any tech explanations of why this occurs. I seldom give it a thought anymore and just accept that you will dig a certain amount when after the deep and iffy targets. I don't try to fool myself into thinking I have learned to eliminate most of those signals either. Your eyes are the best ID developed.
As an example, the first tme out with the 1236X2 which was my first Fisher, I dug this faint smooth sounding whisper signal which turned out to be what was left of an iron nail about 1 1/2" long and rusted to the point where it was almost as thin as a needle. That thing was nearly 12" deep!!! If I did not dig those types of sounds I would have ignored many deep coins and a lot of gold rings in the many hours I put on that machine.
Tom
 
I have a many hours of experience on the White's XLT. If I pass over an iron nail or even something as large as an ox shoe on the surface, it doesn't even beep if it's dry and I never dig iron nails from the hoof shoes. If the same is a few inches down I receive an irradicable signal, never the same ID twice, if it is deeper than 4-6" then I might receive a good signal that I have to dig and dig up a piece of iron. It's all about the halo effect and how deep the moisture is. I just bought a CZ7A from Tony and feel confident that I'll learn about the iron. Just curious how you experienced Fisher users react to iron? Will a Fisher beep on a dry iron surface find? I'm sure depth has it's price but ID to me doesn't mean much as silver hammered coins come up as trash/bottle caps! HH, Mike
 
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