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FAST and DEEP...........and all this "I know everything stuff".....

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A lot of you folks are great hunters. I applaud all the great finds. BUT!
All this "lookit what I found and because of this I know what works" stuff is a bit much. You see, if you walk over it, more often that not you will find it. That is why common knowledge says research is the best tool. I have a friend who hunts with a Garret 550 and he has better finds than 90% of the guys on this forum.
The only true test of a set up is a controlled environment and none of you have done that. Not even the magazines with their field reports.
Keep an open mind and listen to what people have to say. Take in the good stuff and forget the bad. "The mark of a fool is when he thinks he knows everything." Dont diss that minelab guy, he's only trying to help. And if anybody actually tested the explorer in a controlled environment, he probably did.
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because you can control the setting but you can never control the person. It's as simple as the differences we all have in what we think is a "good target" Not to mention every other possible variable.
I really don't think anyone was dissing him but maybe that's just me.
 
Your are correct, we each have to compensate for our own environments. But like in any scientific testing, when a statement like "this works" or "your hair will come back and grow back" are made, only a controlled environment will allow a definitive answer.
A coin garden is a controlled environment. People should use them more for testing. And then apply it to the real world.
i.e. practical shooting is a controlled environment. and i have seen it work in the real world .
regards to all.
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A coin garden is a controlled environment. People should use them more for testing. And then apply it to the real world. </span>
It depends on exactly how you are looking at this. It may be controlled for the one person using it but by no means can it be posted and taken as the way it is. Still way too many variables.
What if the testers ground is different than your's, or how about if his hearing is only fair? It will take much than that to convince me there is such thing as a controlled environment as far as real detecting can go. (and be posted)
 
I personally don't care how many degrees you have or how long winded you can be using terms that are meant for electronics technicians. We have gotten this very attitude from one guy in here and guess what??? We don't pay attention to such, and that's our prerogative.
Your assessment about controlled environments reminds me of Microsoft's testing on Windows 95,98.
It worked great in their sterile labs using their
configurations which were very basic and simple. However out in the real world, where people had almost unlimited configurations with software installed that Microsoft never even heard of - some big time crashes occurred. Their so-called experts were really surprised. I wasn't.
I am certainly not dissing the Minelab tech. but I will state my truth based on my experience in the field, and those who don't like that can just skip my posts.
Most intelligent people will figure out who to listen to on their own. And the self-declared experts who know every machine, and want the best hunters in this forum to lie down, shut up, and listen to what they know is pure B.S. - will just have to accept the fact that not everyone in this world can be fooled by technical jargon and their
"I know everything stuff".
My motto is 'show me the money' and the guys I've listened to and followed have not led me astray.
Everyone has something to offer - even the arm-chair hunters who are well read on Th'ing.
Anyone can make almost any argument they want about MD'ing - one way or another. what works in the sand doesn't necessarily work in soil and so on...
And that's my two cents - I remain a Fast/deep "ON" believer!
 
The big differance with the explorers is the ability to detect around power lines Lets face it power lines are present at most locations that have homesteds and most other detectors have limitations
due to powerlines.
this week I was hunting with two buddys at a old homested that had been dozed over.
the front yard was close to the road and power lines.
2 of us were using the explorers and the other a soverin although we had to hunt with the sens at 17-20 we still got great depth 8-10" total 1st night 6 coins 1 from 1700s-the others 1800s the sov could not get the depth.
on the second night he tried 4 detectors a compass, bounty hunter.a whites coinstrike and his sov
we would let him try good targets that we hit at 7-9"
but only his sov in pinpoint would detect at that depth. he managed one oldie 1816 harp token at 8"
due to the power lines the other detectors did not work well.
 
dont get upset and all. I re-read my post and I do think what I posted was a request to keep an open mind.
A company rep came here, and gave his input in a very courteous and civil manner and what does he get for it. "Hey Mr. Company man! I know you said it doesnt work but, lookit what I found. I think your full of it". Now that wasnt nice was it? He actually said it wasnt meant to work that way but qualified that it could.
As for "it's all in the finds", hmmmm, I believe I found more than 4oz of gold this year including two very nice diamond rings. I think the gold is more than what an average prospector finds in a year. Look it up at the PI forum. Its there. Why do I bring that up, I have my finds too, but much like all of you, I hunt what is accesible. It dont come easy too. Stormy nights at the beach and all.
I'll still hang here. Your a great bunch. I dont think I accused anyone of "spreading misinformation" so I guess Im still ok here.
Oh, to that guy who started dissing my friend and his Garrett 550, I already know its not the best machine out there. But I still tip my hat to a great hunter, even though he may not be able to buy a Minelab just yet.
See you guys in the chat room, I'm the one wearing the bullet proof vest.
 
Also a test garden changes over time and under different weather conditions too.
 
Maybe his info was not the result of just a sterile environment? Maybe the Minelab professional spoke from actual field experience.
I don't post much here much anymore anyway due to the rudeness factor so don't care one way or the other if your settings work better for you than what the rep says.
But I think it was very typical of the tar and feathering that rep got who was only trying to be helpful. It spoke volumes of the childishness of some of the posters on here who replied to his helpful post in a na na na boo boo type attitude.
Just my half pence which is about all it's worth.
Happy Thanksgiving.
We should all be thankful that we have nice finds, right?
Tony
 
Well guys Iam much older than many of you active detectorists but!
The longer I live the more I realise how little I know.
This Fast or Deep thread must go down as one of the most entertaining and perhaps nearly as instructive that I have ever seen.
Well done to all the contributers it has been a good chance to hear many views as you have all really opened up warts and all.
Many Thanks,JBM
 
having lots of new sites to hunt is the best way to make lots of finds no matter what machine or settings you use.
Knowing your machine and what works where and when is a very very big plus as well.. however if you have a limited amount of sites you want something to make the best of what you have, all the research in the world wont get you on the sites, if your lucky and have a good repore? and can easily get permission thats a huge help, but most people just dont like letting people on their land no matter how friendly they or you are, and that varies in what area of the coubtry your in..
I have thousands of sites located within 60 miles here, but getting on them is a whole other story..And I will not be a fence climber.. So I use my explorer and use different coils and settings and sill eke out a few good finds... When someone goes along with other machines they sure don't make a killing at any of my sites so I must be doing something right <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)"> and so far I dont have a desire to learn another machine based on any comparisons I have made with them.
The way I figure it if your going to spend the time learning a detector well, you may as well be learning the best one out there <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)">
One important thing to remember is no machine gets it all and no matter how good you are with it if the detector doesnt see it and you wont get it..
Very few settings affect the performance of the explorer and they are basic settings that all other machines have, so all these settings in my opinion are a matter of personal preference. You get good with those settings and you wont leave much for other machines or even the same machine in anothers hands unless you are not taking advantage of the basic settings, like disc and sensitivity and hunt sites accordingly. I love hunting sites that were "pounded" by cherry pickers
 
Bing:
I was following this thread and decided to join in the discussion.
I am a former employee of Minelab USA and as such, privy to the "inner workings" of Minelab. Ron at Dixie (MS) and David at Dixie (TN)and other dealers can attest to my identity.
First of all having dealt with Des on a one on one basis I believe him to be both a technical expert and a "hands on" expert regarding the Minelab products. Frankly I was a little amazed to see a post from him on a public forum since Minelab's wish is that we did not get involved on the forums because of our involvment with the product. However, Des's field tests have been included in publications both in the US and in Europe because of his high level of experience.
Secondly, I agree with the whole concept of having a detector garden that you can perform actual experiments. When I traveled to my dealers locations, it was proven to me by one of my dealers (Phil Alexander) that in truth, "tweaking" the Explorer DID result in objects being located in his test garden that would not be located under the factory settings. In that test I used both Fast and Deep along with increasing Gain, etc.
The problem with using "programs" is mainly the differing soil conditions that are world wide. Settings that I used on the beaches of Florida simply were not useful in the soil of Nevada.
I do not claim to be as expert as the users that have the chance to explore more hours than I do, or have years of experience. I see many posts that help me learn my machine. I appreciate Gvner's efforts to expand the knowledge of the users, and I have told him this directly.
In closing I would like to wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving and best wishes for the holidays!
 
A test garden will only be of practical use if the conditions are exactly the same as on your site and don't vary from one day to the next. Given the number of variables involved I doubt if the conditions will ever be consistent enough to do much more than point you in the right direction.
I would still opt for practical experience every time although it is important to try out other peoples ideas and experiment occasionally.
Regards
Fred
ps And I expect that Des will be looking at our posts with considerable interest and amusement
 
fred,
a controlled environment is the only way to prove if a concept/set up/ coil works better than another. the key phrase here is " better than another". because there are too many variables in the real world to consider, known and unknown, to actually be sure that an adjustment or coil, works better than another or if you just lucked out and found a 16 inch deep dime in perfect conditions.
yes, in the real world, things are different and performance differs. I know that. But what seems to escape a lot of our forum members is that I am not telling people to develop set ups in a controlled environment, but what I am saying is that set ups should be PROVED or DISPROVED by testing in them. BIG DIF.
EXAMPLE: If I had three detectors and I wanted to know which one was better. I would NOT test them on random targets. I would do it in a test garden and if possible simulate my hunting conditons. How? One way would be to bury KNOWN TARGETS at KNOWN DEPTHS in my hunting site. VOILA a test garden in actual conditions in less than 10 minutes (if you have a shovel) Heck, you could even put in a few nails in there if you wanted to. But since the conditon are controlled and KNOWN, then the results will have more validity than the UNKNOWN.
i hope i was able to relay my ideas clearly and courteously. we can really all disagree but still have a healthy debate.
and by the way. I COULD BE WRONG.
 
This has been one of the best debates for ages. Hopefully people will take something away from it that they can use in their day to day detecting.
Regards
Fred
 
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