Find's Treasure Forums

Welcome to Find's Treasure Forums, Guests!

You are viewing this forums as a guest which limits you to read only status.

Only registered members may post stories, questions, classifieds, reply to other posts, contact other members using built in messaging and use many other features found on these forums.

Why not register and join us today? It's free! (We don't share your email addresses with anyone.) We keep email addresses of our users to protect them and others from bad people posting things they shouldn't.

Click here to register!



Need Support Help?

Cannot log in?, click here to have new password emailed to you

fisher f4

huskermaniaman

New member
I use a fisher f4 with the double dd coil. I am having a hard time pinpointing exactly where the target is. I will use the traditional x method and bit pinpoint mode and dig but at times it will be four or five inches from where I pinpointed the coin. It's getting a little frustrating. Where is the sweet spot on these machines? It seems to vary and I'm tired of digging holes and finding the target a few inches away.
 
I found the best way is to swing the coil back & forth over the target at the same time backing up until you lose the signal & the target will be right at the nose of the coil. try it with a coin on the ground & you will see where the target is at the nose when you lose the signal
 
Another method I use with DD coils is to sweep the coil across the target and mentally noting where the strongest signal is. With the coil centered over that location, I then rotate 90 degrees to that signal, and sweep again looking for the strongest signal. Where those two signals intersect is where the target usually is. It takes some practice to use this method, but once you get comfortable with it, you shouldn't have troubles with pinpointing anymore. I have tried the backing up to the tip of the coil, as well as pushing the coil forward to signal drop off at the heel, and never could get comfortable with those methods.

Hope this helps...
 
I talked to Kelly co and they informed me that there isn't really a sweet spot on a double dd coil but rather the tip or back could be where the object is. I thought that's rather strange. Shouldn't using the pinpoint tell you within a few inches where the target is? I have been off up to six to eight inches at times. Wonder if it's the machine?
 
It just takes a little practice is all...dont use the PP button....

Keep your eyes on the ground, not the screen, use your ears to hear the sharpest ping as you sweep or wiggle the coil....you raise your coil on every swing to further tighten up the signature. With your ears....

Like HPH mentioned, do the rotate 90 degrees while swinging and keeping your eyes on the ground...then stab a screwdriver right where those signals intersect...your target should be within a golfball sized area...and you should also know about how deep on account of how high you raised your coil as you were swinging it and the signal strength...just takes practice...you can make a very small hole once you get some time in...most times you can get your prize with the screwdriver if its 4" to surface...:thumbup:
Mud
 
When I first started hunting with my f5 / dd coil I had the same problem your talking about , couldn't get a good pinpoint position. After a bunch of trial and error , I finally found easy simple system that's very accurate. First thing is don't even use the pinpoint mode , stay in disc mode, then pinpoint with a two step method ,1st step is to use your sweep ( we'll call this east to west sweep) until you narrow it down to about two inches this will give you the north to south position of the target, place a bright colored golf tee in the ground at this point.2nd step is to sweep across the tee from north to south narrowing down your sweep to about two inches,now move your tee to that spot , you'll be within two inches of your target 95% of the time.
 
You can practice right now if you want...in the living room...put some coins under a piece of newspaper or whatnot or have somebody do it for you, its sort of fun actually.. ....

run a low sens or you will be picking up nails in the subfloor and joists and all sorts of things...which is sort of good practice as well...anyway, you should be able with just a little practice to isolate the 'tight' ping and stoop over and put your finger right on top of the coin!..remember to fly that coil higher once you hit a ping, tight wiggle over the top of it, rotate, all in one smooth motion....

a guy can do this blind, its all about the EARS...your eyes take too long to process info off the screen, and if you are looking at the screen, you are NOT looking at the ground! Hence your PP problem......your ears will give you dead on immediate feedback if you let them...work that coil in various heights over a target and listen with your eyes closed..truthfully Brother...you should only be trusting your eyes to drive to your hunting locations, and keep them on the ground, not the screen!....Quick and accurate target PP is all in the ear work...:thumbup:...dont use the PP button either! You dont need it unless you got something really deep and all by itself...:beers:
Mud
 
I usually use the wiggle and pull back method.
At the center area around the rim of the coil where the signal drops out is where you want to dig.
This area is slightly different using different brands of detectors.
On my Tesoros the target is usually under the rim or slightly in front, on my Fishers the target is usually just in back inside the rim of that coil.
That doesn't really matter, the total area we are talking about between my two units is only about an inch or so, dig a 3" wide hole and you should uncover the target.

I also have used the method described above where I listen for the solid tone, keep my eyes glued on the spot and turn 90 degrees and swing over the spot again.
Where you get that second tone that insects the first is where you dig.
I call this eye-coil coordination, but the wiggle method is usually a faster method for me.

On suspected deep targets when I want to dig the smallest hole possible I use another way.
I do use the pinpoint button and find the area with the lowest numbers.
This should be the area just past the rod connection point in the middle.
Then, again keeping my eye on that spot on the ground, turn 90 degrees again and then I move that coil at least 8" to a foot out from that point, put the coil on the ground, hit the pinpoint button and sweep the coil right back to that spot and look for the lowest numbers again...which should be near that first lowest number spot and again under the center of the coil.
That will be the area you dig, and I have found targets 8-10" under that exact area doing it this way.

There is a sweet spot on DD coils where you will get the clearest and deepest signals, by the way.
It is at the center or just slightly past the center in the middle of every one.
There is actually a small mark on the big 11" DD Fisher coil that shows this area, but on every coil of this type it is similar.
Disregard what that Kellyco rep told you because they don't have a clue.
 
Thanks to all for the good info!! I am relatively new to detecting and this has helped out tremendously!! Hopefully no more big holes which aren't fun to dig when the ground is hard or have a deep target.
 
I haven't had too much time to practice, but when I did locate a target, I used the PP mode and just kept detuning til the only Sinai I got was at dead center of the coil.. I'm not sure if 'detuning' is the proper terminology, but It is basically the same method I used with my old Whites and Fisher's machines. Being hearing somewhat impaired, it is hard for me to go by the audio.
 
Anybody have a thought on finding nickels versus pull tabs with the f4? They both fall in the same range on my machine. I am tired of digging pull tabs!! And why haven't more people lost more nickels? Just wondered what others thought!!
 
huskermaniaman said:
Anybody have a thought on finding nickels versus pull tabs with the f4? They both fall in the same range on my machine. I am tired of digging pull tabs!! And why haven't more people lost more nickels? Just wondered what others thought!!


This is referring to the F2 that I used for over 1000 hours mostly, and I have seen similar behavior on my F70 so I assume it will be the same on your F4.

I figured out how to avoid digging about 80-85% of those tabs...and those would be sta-tabs not the beaver tail types if we are talking about numbers in the nickel area.
I dig all solid signals in this area and have for years because I am always looking for gold.

Keep in mind nickels are the iffyest out of all the coins in the higher ranges.
I have dug them at my exact nickel numbers which on my F2 was a 32, many below that number in the high 20's and even a few higher into the mid 30's.
If you get your coil over them...the center of the coil, nickels should calm down to either a one or no more than a two number jump when you get good at it.
Trash in the vicinity will skew the numbers or could make them jump, coins on edge might also, but more often than not I could get stable numbers with no more than a two number jump most of the time and that would be from at least 2 directions.
Most sta tabs will actually be one or two numbers higher than real nickels most of the time, but not all the time and many will mimic your regular nickel numbers if bent or partial pieces or even complete ones could, also.
About 15-20% of those stay-tabs will act solid and in the same way as good targets, most of the time they would be more shallow and laying flat in the soil and those you just have to dig.
The rest of them, luckily, I have found will not calm down to that two number range, even three, no matter how you maneuver that coil and you will also get completely different numbers from a ninety degree direction.
Another thing I noticed about the behavior of the F2, and there are a few that have a real problem with me telling people this because they don't believe it and never will, is that if you look at the depth bars I noticed that on all good targets like coins and rings, if you can get those numbers to be within that 2 number range the depth bars will also stay stable and not jump.
On most trash, except some of the more stable fool me types, those depth bars always jump and those that want to give me an argument about this can talk to the wind because I have seen this exact same behavior on 3 different F2 units so I hope it works the same on the F4 because it is so similar to the F'2.
The depth bars for me on my F2 were useless when used for their intended purpose, they were always off and I never believed them, but eventually I noticed they stayed stable on good targets and jumped over most trash so I used them as just another indicator to figure out targets instead and for that purpose they worked well.

Using my F70 for the last year I discovered the same behavior when I swing over sta-tabs with any coil, concentric or DD.
80-85% of them will not stabilize to a 2or 3 number jump on constant swift short passes with the center of the coil, tabs will also usually change to different numbers when hit from a different direction, good targets will usually stabilise and will behave the same from any angle if they are not real deep.

Really deep stuff has different rules, but most targets I dig usually hang out at 6" or less in depth and so all of this worked for me for years and since I have dug tons of nickels and way more than my share of gold in the nickel ranges...all the nickel range, and did not dig a lot of trash signals I came across while doing it I continue to use these methods with any Fisher I swing and will until I find something better.
 
HighPlainsHunter said:
Nice, informative as usual, post Revier.

Thanks.
Talking to someone that hunts in my trashy parks I might not be so generous with my information.
After digging a million tabs they would probably get sick of it and stop...and that might mean a couple of more actual gold or nickel targets for me.
Ah who am I kidding?
I would probably pass on everything I know to anyone, local or not, if I thought it would help them enjoy the hobby more.
I say I am a land pirate, but I might actually be too nice to call myself that.
 
REVIER said:
HighPlainsHunter said:
Nice, informative as usual, post Revier.

Thanks.
Talking to someone that hunts in my trashy parks I might not be so generous with my information.
After digging a million tabs they would probably get sick of it and stop...and that might mean a couple of more actual gold or nickel targets for me.
Ah who am I kidding?
I would probably pass on everything I know to anyone, local or not, if I thought it would help them enjoy the hobby more.
I say I am a land pirate, but I might actually be too nice to call myself that.

I know what you mean as I, too, share any knowledge I can to help someone be more successful. Of course, I want to find all the goodies first, but that's just the pirate coming out...:detecting:
 
No kidding, HPH! Does this Forum rock or what?! :clapping: Pure gold advice here, freely given, if anyone takes the time to ask...Great work Gentlemen! Lets all get out and knock down some serious stink with our F-rigs this year just on the principle of the thing!

REVIER, you can take a few months off and let the rest of us try to catch up if you wish...:rofl::thumbup:
Mud
 
mudpuppy said:
No kidding, HPH! Does this Forum rock or what?! :clapping: Pure gold advice here, freely given, if anyone takes the time to ask...Great work Gentlemen! Lets all get out and knock down some serious stink with our F-rigs this year just on the principle of the thing!

REVIER, you can take a few months off and let the rest of us try to catch up if you wish...:rofl::thumbup:
Mud

We got cold again and some snow last night, going down to the low teens for the next several nights, 20's and low 30's during the days.
Maybe low 40's on Friday but the snow will probably still be around and the cold will freeze the soil again.
The next decently warm day is not forecasted till Feb. 28th.
I am officially out of hunting weather luck for the foreseeable future.
If you are going to catch up and you have the weather to do it now is the time.


We have had some extremely unusual weather around here this year in spots and I sure took advantage of it but for now it is over.

3 gold rings, 7 silver pieces of jewelry, rings earrings and pendants, a couple of silver dimes and several hundred coins totaling about $31 is the target to aim for and I hope you beat it.
Good luck!
 
Top