dirtdigginlady
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Anyone here familiar with the teachings from some churches on Generational curses???
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Generational Curses
- Thread starter dirtdigginlady
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SeniorSeeker
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I'm familiar with generational cures but not at all associated with any religious denomination.
dirtdigginlady
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Well I've been going to a Bible Study that I have throughly enjoyed in the past. However now the teacher has started a series on Generational Curses. I'm not totally sure where this study is going but I personally don't believe that we under the blood of Jesus suffer from Generational Curses. Yes I know they did in the old testament and I also realize that Adam and Eve's sin in the beginning put the whole world under the curse of sin. However I don't believe that Christians are under generational curses that they have to pray off of them and their families if they are covered with the blood. I'd be interested and open to hear anyone's opinions on this subject.
Ma Betty in MO
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Here is my view on generational curses....To me the DNA and Genes from our ancesters carry the curse of sin and sickness, if they have not been forgiven by Jesus and prayed for and that is why sicknesses and diseases pass on through the generations! We can inherit them from our parents and grandparents and so forth, but when we have Jesus we can pray for healing and He will forgive and heal according to God's plans for each of us and for His purpose!
Not everyone is healed of Alcoholism, smoking, lung diseases and etc. Many times these are passed on down to the next generation by being raised up with an alcoholic family member! Many diseases are passed on by the DNA and Genes like I mentioned before but by the Christian's faith in our Lord Jesus christ we can endure and overcome all things and even be healed miracuously but it doesn't always happen that way.....sometimes we just have to keep faith in Jesus and let Him help us to overcome the trials, sicknesses and diseases that we seem to inherit like depression runs on my mother's side of the family and lung, heart, Alzhiemers and blood problems run on my father's side of the family! When the past generation doesn't serve God and get delivered from whatever the curse is then it is passed on down unto the 3rd and 4th generation! This is my views and I am sure everyone does not agree with me but it is my answer to your question the best as I know! May God Bless you and yours with a Very Merry CHRISTmas and a most blessed New Year in Jesus' sweet love! Amen!
Ma Betty
Not everyone is healed of Alcoholism, smoking, lung diseases and etc. Many times these are passed on down to the next generation by being raised up with an alcoholic family member! Many diseases are passed on by the DNA and Genes like I mentioned before but by the Christian's faith in our Lord Jesus christ we can endure and overcome all things and even be healed miracuously but it doesn't always happen that way.....sometimes we just have to keep faith in Jesus and let Him help us to overcome the trials, sicknesses and diseases that we seem to inherit like depression runs on my mother's side of the family and lung, heart, Alzhiemers and blood problems run on my father's side of the family! When the past generation doesn't serve God and get delivered from whatever the curse is then it is passed on down unto the 3rd and 4th generation! This is my views and I am sure everyone does not agree with me but it is my answer to your question the best as I know! May God Bless you and yours with a Very Merry CHRISTmas and a most blessed New Year in Jesus' sweet love! Amen!
Ma BettyTURNMASTER
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You are right we can break the chain. I tend to look at these curses from a little different perspective. I believe I am not to far of the mark.
Forgive me if I miss this one a bit, I will have to go back and re read these verses.
I think if you put this into context it makes a difference. I hope I have not missed the context by to far. OK I do definitely think we need to pray to break these curses, and here is why. If I beat my wife then I can reasonably expect my son to beat his wife because that is how he was raised. This is likely to happen wether he thought I was right or wrong. My sin was passed to him. If he doesn't beat his wife he is likely to have other anger issues even as hard as he tries to not be this way. He will pass some of these traits on to his son (my grandson) but again to a lesser degree. My grandson to my great grandson. Thats 3 generations.
Now it does not have to be this way. I can take my anger to Christ and ask him to remove my condemnation and anger and stop beating my wife and forgive my father for beating me. Then I go to my son and share this with him (assume he does believe) and ask him for his forgiveness. He does the same as I did and does not pass this anger on to his son. Chain broken.
I DO NOT BEAT MY WIFE AND HAVE NO SONS.
You can see this happen in many families to some degree or another. I see it in a man I know, he lives the anger of his father and mother and it was the same with his grand parents. Their children are not quite as bad. This pattern can be handed down without ever breaking. I pick anger in this case, because we all know (and possibly love) someone directly impacted by this problem. The sad part here is I am asked by the father to understand "Jeff, you have to understand my nana and my mother were this way". In essence not admitting this is a problem but demanding I know why it is this way. The son is my age and knows the things he does are wrong and is tormented because he refuses to let God take this one from him and yet he knows it is a problem.
Now go and apply this same thought process to drugs, alcohol, sex, or just about any choice of sin you choose. Look at your friends and family, you will see people still living the sins of their fore fathers.
Conversely, you will also see people who have broke the chains of bondage and hand faith and good ways of life down to their children. They choose to live under grace and get away from the condemnation given by the accuser.
The process can begin or end with any generation, but the sin of my father will visit my daughters. Wether I have been forgiven or not. We always seem carry some of the trait. After all it is how we were raised.
Love to hear from some of the others
Jeff
Forgive me if I miss this one a bit, I will have to go back and re read these verses.
I think if you put this into context it makes a difference. I hope I have not missed the context by to far. OK I do definitely think we need to pray to break these curses, and here is why. If I beat my wife then I can reasonably expect my son to beat his wife because that is how he was raised. This is likely to happen wether he thought I was right or wrong. My sin was passed to him. If he doesn't beat his wife he is likely to have other anger issues even as hard as he tries to not be this way. He will pass some of these traits on to his son (my grandson) but again to a lesser degree. My grandson to my great grandson. Thats 3 generations.
Now it does not have to be this way. I can take my anger to Christ and ask him to remove my condemnation and anger and stop beating my wife and forgive my father for beating me. Then I go to my son and share this with him (assume he does believe) and ask him for his forgiveness. He does the same as I did and does not pass this anger on to his son. Chain broken.
I DO NOT BEAT MY WIFE AND HAVE NO SONS.
You can see this happen in many families to some degree or another. I see it in a man I know, he lives the anger of his father and mother and it was the same with his grand parents. Their children are not quite as bad. This pattern can be handed down without ever breaking. I pick anger in this case, because we all know (and possibly love) someone directly impacted by this problem. The sad part here is I am asked by the father to understand "Jeff, you have to understand my nana and my mother were this way". In essence not admitting this is a problem but demanding I know why it is this way. The son is my age and knows the things he does are wrong and is tormented because he refuses to let God take this one from him and yet he knows it is a problem.
Now go and apply this same thought process to drugs, alcohol, sex, or just about any choice of sin you choose. Look at your friends and family, you will see people still living the sins of their fore fathers.
Conversely, you will also see people who have broke the chains of bondage and hand faith and good ways of life down to their children. They choose to live under grace and get away from the condemnation given by the accuser.
The process can begin or end with any generation, but the sin of my father will visit my daughters. Wether I have been forgiven or not. We always seem carry some of the trait. After all it is how we were raised.
Love to hear from some of the others
Jeff
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I just read a commentary on this that suggests a demon can live in a Christian even if the curse has been broken. I do not believe a demon can live in the space Christ occupies. If the holy spirit lives in me then a demon can not.
Jeff
Jeff
No, I find no scrptural or experiential evidence that a demon can live in someone who has been saved. Can darkness dwell in light?
There needs to be a division between bad behaviors and just downright sinful living and curses. A curse is a spiritual matter that can't have an effect on someone who is a Christian. I see no evidence for this. However, bad behaviors are often passed down through sheer lack of any other example. The moment I got saved a whole world of evil fled from me, believe me I was swimming in it willfully, but at that moment it was gone.
If you spend much time in missions there will be servants of the devil who will confront you with curses. Curse away, they have no effect on the riteous. To those unsaved though there is trouble in some.
Now I was raised in a home of hatred, abuse, violence, insecurity and alcohol. Those learned behaviors had to be dealt with. It took lots of prayer and some good counseling but I had to make the decision to put an end to the pattern of destructive behavior. It was not spiritual, those problems fled from inside me at the moment of salvation, it was a lifetime of bad habits that I had to consciously change with an effort.
There needs to be a division between bad behaviors and just downright sinful living and curses. A curse is a spiritual matter that can't have an effect on someone who is a Christian. I see no evidence for this. However, bad behaviors are often passed down through sheer lack of any other example. The moment I got saved a whole world of evil fled from me, believe me I was swimming in it willfully, but at that moment it was gone.
If you spend much time in missions there will be servants of the devil who will confront you with curses. Curse away, they have no effect on the riteous. To those unsaved though there is trouble in some.
Now I was raised in a home of hatred, abuse, violence, insecurity and alcohol. Those learned behaviors had to be dealt with. It took lots of prayer and some good counseling but I had to make the decision to put an end to the pattern of destructive behavior. It was not spiritual, those problems fled from inside me at the moment of salvation, it was a lifetime of bad habits that I had to consciously change with an effort.
SeniorSeeker
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Yes ... bad things happen to good people and, God knows, I've had my share of bad things that have happened to me in the past 10 months BUT I believe my God will save me in the end. Regardless of what happens in the here and now, I am the adopted child of Almighty God through Jesus Christ my Lord and nothing can break that bind. He is my everything and I know He loves me and wants the best for me. That doesn't mean I won't go through difficult times in my life but it does mean I will have the strength to endure them because of what Jesus did for me on the cross. I am living proof that the chain of disbelief can be broken but it's nothing I have accomplished in my own strength but rather what Jesus has done in and through me by His Holy Spirit. Praise God!
dirtdigginlady
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There are tons of teachings in the Old Testament about generational curses and the sins of the father being handed down to their family. I can accept that. However, I just do not see this in the N. T. To me when we accept this teaching in the N.T. lives of Christians then we make the blood of Jesus of none affect. Paul teaches that if we try and live under ANY of the law then we have got to abide by ALL of it and that's already been proven that it can't be done or that it is not sufficient to save us. I do understand and believe in genetics. My grandmother was a diabetic, my mother was and I am. It's because it's in our genes but I don't see that as a curse that I need to pray to break. I also understand that if kids see some bad examples from their parents they can follow in their foot steps like beating their children, drinking too much etc. However, on the other hand some children are soooooo turned off by their parents example that they go in the total opposite direction and say I will NEVER do that and they don't.
I just think we have to be very careful teaching old testament doctorine today because Jesus came to fullfill the O.T.
I just think we have to be very careful teaching old testament doctorine today because Jesus came to fullfill the O.T.
steve in so la
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Ma Betty in MO
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they were cast out with Adam passing the bad seed down to all generations (all are born sinners) and therefore sins, sicknesses and diseases along with death are all curses which we have to overcome through Christ Jesus as our own personal Savior and Lord! Once we are saved, Jesus cleanses our minds and our hearts with the washing of His Word after saving us by His shed blood, but we have to keep studying God's Word and living by faith and obediently following Jesus, for if we don't our minds can be manipulated by our weak flesh again and turn to sinning willfully with demons moving in after our minds have been swept clean! Fallen angels (demons) are evil spirits that can rule us if we let them, as we fight not against flesh and blood but against spiritual wickedness in high places! Ma Betty
Ma BettyTURNMASTER
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Amen
dirtdigginlady, The old testament must be taught in total. We can not have the new testament without the old. We are taught that, All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 2 TIM 3;16
The law, again context. The law of God are written on our hearts, We must be listening, if we are saved where do we find the law of God, in the bible and written on our hearts. Correct me if I am wrong, but the law Paul is talking about were the laws handed to the jews by Moses and ritual sacrifice types of law. The 10 Commandments still stand, when we break them our debt has already been paid through the Lamb of God. All sin has to be paid for by blood. Our sins are covered by the blood of Christ and this we accept through faith.
Yes, we do not live "by the law". But if you want to know what God wants from us read the bible and it becomes written in our hearts and if it is written on our hearts we tend to read the bible so we can know more about God and what he wants from us. It is a real tough one for me to fully separate.
One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"
Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
This is the first and greatest commandment.
And the second is like it:
'Love your neighbor as yourself.'
All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
I think it works for me to think of it like this, we are fully separated from the law, but we still have rules to follow. We follow the rules because we want to, not because we have to. At the end of the day I know God loves me but I also want God to LIKE me. We are covered by His grace and mercy. When listening to the Holy Spirit we begin to lose the desire to sin which leaves us doing only the good things of God. It seems to be a very intertwined web.
I'll stop rambling.
Jeff
dirtdigginlady, The old testament must be taught in total. We can not have the new testament without the old. We are taught that, All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 2 TIM 3;16
The law, again context. The law of God are written on our hearts, We must be listening, if we are saved where do we find the law of God, in the bible and written on our hearts. Correct me if I am wrong, but the law Paul is talking about were the laws handed to the jews by Moses and ritual sacrifice types of law. The 10 Commandments still stand, when we break them our debt has already been paid through the Lamb of God. All sin has to be paid for by blood. Our sins are covered by the blood of Christ and this we accept through faith.
Yes, we do not live "by the law". But if you want to know what God wants from us read the bible and it becomes written in our hearts and if it is written on our hearts we tend to read the bible so we can know more about God and what he wants from us. It is a real tough one for me to fully separate.
One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"
Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
This is the first and greatest commandment.
And the second is like it:
'Love your neighbor as yourself.'
All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
I think it works for me to think of it like this, we are fully separated from the law, but we still have rules to follow. We follow the rules because we want to, not because we have to. At the end of the day I know God loves me but I also want God to LIKE me. We are covered by His grace and mercy. When listening to the Holy Spirit we begin to lose the desire to sin which leaves us doing only the good things of God. It seems to be a very intertwined web.
I'll stop rambling.
Jeff
dirtdigginlady
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I agree with you totally. However the laws that we still have to abide by from the O.T. were also taught in the N.T. by Jesus and the other deciples, apostles etc. There are tons and tons of
laws in the O.T. that we no longer keep. I'm not referring to the 10 commandments.
I just do not believe that Generational curses are something that stand under the blood of Jesus and I find NO scripture in the N.T. to say that they do.
If we still have to deal with such things under Grace then Jesus died in vain and we all know that is NOT true.
laws in the O.T. that we no longer keep. I'm not referring to the 10 commandments.
I just do not believe that Generational curses are something that stand under the blood of Jesus and I find NO scripture in the N.T. to say that they do.
If we still have to deal with such things under Grace then Jesus died in vain and we all know that is NOT true.
dirtdigginlady
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TURNMASTER
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