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George Payne on fixed (preset) vs adjustable GB and coil design

vlad

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George Payne on fixed (preset) vs adjustable GB
and coil design
Pure ground is a soil condition that reacts like it was pure ferrite. In other words a perfect magnetic condition where no electrical conduction (eddy currents) takes place. We can think of this as a soil that produces a signal in the detector with zero phase shift relative to the transmitted signal. This is considered our reference signal of zero phase to which all other signals can be referenced to. Of course the only real life object that produces this type of signal is pure ferrite. So ferrite becomes our reference target and produces what we call a pure "X" reactive signal.

Of course real ground conditions do not behave like pure ferrite. When subjected to a detectors magnetic field small currents begin to flow in the soil. This will cause the soil signal to be displaced slightly from that of pure ferrite. We call this difference a phase shift and define it to have an angle in degrees negative relative to pure ferrite. In addition, this phase shift produces a new signal in the detector which we call the "R" component signal. We can carry this analysis one more step. Using Trigonometry the ratio of the X signal to the R signal can be shown to be the actual measured phase of the ground.

All grounds have varying amounts of magnetic and conductive properties. Therefore, the ratio of the X or magnetic signal and R, the conductive signal, will vary from one location to another. However, the phase produced by this characteristic will always be negative relative to zero, the phase of pure ferrite.

From my experience most grounds produce a phase that falls somewhere between zero (ferrite) and a -5 degrees. Some highly magnetic soils can have a phase that is quite low, but it can never be zero. Once the phase exceeds several degrees the ground characteristics begin to fall into an area where it becomes more saline. This doesn't mean that its not magnetic. Its just that the R or conductive component of the ground becomes stronger in relation to the magnetic portion. Thus the phase becomes greater.

The manual ground adjustment works in this manner: When you position the
 
Viad,
I been working on a coil for Troy X5. a 7'' coil will detect a nickel at 14 inch.air
I have trying to make 12'' coil go deeper looking to get 18'' to 20 inch on a nickel
best I can get is about 15 1/2 inch.
RX .90 mh 3 to 5 inch diameter
bucking coil .18mh to 22mh
TX 480 to 900 mh. 12inch diameter
best results RX .90mh, BC .22mh TX about 580 mh.
how can I pass the 15 1/2 inch on dept
Also tryed A 17 inch DD coil same dept 15 1/2 inch.
RX 109 mh TX from 500mh to 900 mh.
I dont have any HI-Tec tools, only useing ohm meter and induction meter.
Thanks Frank-S
 
Vlad,
Question you said
The Feedback winding must be connected to the un-driven side of Transmit tank.
I dont know what the un-driven side of Transmit tank might be.
.I start out by winding the bucking coil about 1/8''larger than RX coil, this works best
I wind bucking coil first around RX coil( RX coil clock wise) BC coil counter clock-wise, TX coil clock wise.
Am I back-wards
 
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