Gold and silver morning hunt.

[jim tn]

Hit the spot again and concentrated on weak, repeatable and high tone tics and nickel readings. As a result, I got a no date buffalo nickel, 10k ring with a tiny diamond chip and a 54 Rosie. Also shown in the picture is the sterling earring and U S military emblem I recovered last Fri.

The Buffalo was in the same hole as a clad nickel. I recovered the clad nickel first, re-swept the clod and got another mid tone hit, which was the Buffalo. The signal on these 2 nicks bounced from 55-59, but hung around the 57/58 numbers pretty good. These were 4" deep. I recovered 4 nickels total for the outing.

The Rosie came a little later and was a faint high tone tic, but repeatable. It read 84/85 and was exactly 5" deep.

The 10k ring was re-covered about 10" from my vehicle as the result of digging a bouncy nickel reading of 56-59. It was 3" deep, but was straight up and down, not laying flat in the clod. 3 wheats and a few clads were also recovered as well as a key.

I was using the 10" coil with a g b of 63, sen. 99, disc. 1 and d3 tones.

HH jim tn

 

[Monte]

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[Elton]

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[jmaryt]

hi jim!
i'm curious!..what do you believe caused the rosie to "hit" so faintly
at an accurate depth of only 5 inches?..perhaps she was on edge?
heavily mineralized site?..just sayin!....nice day!

(h.h!)
j.t.

 

[jim tn]

I think the "faint" sound is more me. By this, I mean, I am so used to listening to the tone of the F 75, T2 and F 75 LTD, that The Omega's "sound system" sounds more faint to me. It seems the Omega's tone becomes a little less strong with depth to a certain point of depth and then seemingly stays about the same to greater depths. A 7" or 8" deep coin with the Omega sounds weaker, or fainter, then it does with the other mentioned detectors, but still can be heard. That is what I mean by "faint." Until I learned what the Omega was saying, I first thought it wouldn't find a dime deeper then 6," it that. Now, I know better. But, I do have to listen more carefully. Monte can probably explain this better. No, my ground here on this end of the state isn't to bad. Depending on exact locations, G B is mid 60's to low 70's using the larger coils and usually 1 to 2 feo bars. The dime, however, was a bit slanted. This particular site is very trashy and often times a good target is just a "tic" sound coming out of the trash. It took three or so months, but the Omega has won me over as a coin shooting detector. And, it doesn't do bad on gold either. This is my 4th gold ring with it since mid summer. H H jim tn

 

[Jackpine Savage]

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[jim tn]

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[jmaryt]

it sounds like the omega's audio response is more "modulated" then let's say the 'f" family of detectors,and may be a"tad"
less powerful a transmitted signal into the ground as well...actually i prefer that kind of response from deeper "hits" because
to me,it harkens back to the "high frequency" "tr" days of the 70's when just about ALL deeper coins audio responded that way.
in other words,the point being is,you KNEW ya had somethin' good because of the "fainter" audio of the detected target,and of course,
this feeling just added to the excitement of the hobby!..jim...have you determined that the omega "generally" runs quieter
than the "f" detectors?..site for site,or is (e.m.i.) still noticeable requiring adjustment?..it would appear that what goes around comes around again in that the
omega's frequency is very close to the frequencies used by "most" v.l.f detectors back in the 80's,because of the better performance on silver.

(h.h!)
j.t.

 

[jim tn]

You described it exactly as I see it. When I get that kind of response, I just know I've got something good....and "modulated" was the word I was fumbling for. As far as running quieter then the F's, over all, I believe it does. It still has some problems in the two or three spots that were problems with my F's, but I usually have been able to quiet the Omega down enough to hunt the stretches with less chatter then the F's. It is not perfect, though, in the really bad spots. Fortunately, they aren't all that big. HH jim tn

 

[jmaryt]

jim,it used to be quite an exciting feeling when encountering a deep,faint hit
with the old tr's,then the v.f's came out and even though they were an improvement in depth,and
power,they seemed to lack the modulated audio,so consequently down to certain depth level,
they all SOUNDED THE SAME..not a bad thing obviously,because of the increased power and depth capability
produced a lot more finds,however that old exciting feeling seem to diminish a bit,but was compensated
by better quality,and quantity of stuff found..may join the omega crowd soon!..see what happens in the new year!

(h.h!)
j.t.

 

[Monte]

jim,it used to be quite an exciting feeling when encountering a deep,faint hit with the old tr's,then the v.f's came out and even though they were an improvement in depth,and power,they seemed to lack the modulated audio,so consequently down to certain depth level, they all SOUNDED THE SAME.

Yes, the old days of TR's and TR=Disc. models gave us great modulated audio. But so did the ground-cancelling VLF models, when used in the All Metal mode. Due to their different operating frequency and some gain in power there was a little stronger audio response, but they were still, for the most part, a modulated audio.

The VLF/TR-Disc. models were virtually all modulated, as well most of the VLF/VLF-Disc. (motion) detectors. Then when we got the models that gave as the saturated audio (like the Bounty Hunter Big Bud's and many that followed, that was really when things started to change.

So many models operate with a saturated audio, such as the Teknetics Delta and many from other makers, that there is basically no discernible audio difference between shallow and deep targets. Some models provide us with a lot more feature adjustments, such as a White's XLT or Minelab Explorer or the Fisher F-75 and Teknetics T2, but even they are still more modulated.

.. not a bad thing obviously,because of the increased power and depth capability produced a lot more finds, however that old exciting feeling seem to diminish a bit, but was compensated by better quality,and quantity of stuff found..may join the omega crowd soon!..see what happens in the new year!

Yes, our modern models do have more power and can search deeper than those older models, but they are also more versatile than many might think.

For example, with a multi-featured model like the White's XLT (and I select it because it's been a favorite of mine), the user can increase the All metal mode Sensitivity separate from the Discriminate mode Sensitivity, and that's the case with the Teknetics T2 as well. With the XLT you can increase the Target Volume, which I usually do, and that will, somewhat, saturate the target audio more. Still, the audio is more modulated and deeper targets produce fainter or weaker signals.

The same is true of the T2 or G2 or Omega. With the Omega, you can use the d3 or d4 Audio Tone ID feature and it doesn't totally saturate the audio, but like a high Gain setting on White's MXT you do have a stronger audio response on mid-depth targets and the Omega and MXT will then produce a trailing-off modulated audio on the most distant depth targets or for the latter part of the detector's detection range. The T2 also seems to provide a stronger audio at distance in 3 or 4 Tone audio, but with the T2's 1 or 2+ or the Omega's d1 and d2 Audio Tone ID you have an excellent modulated audio. The same is true of the audio response of the new G2. A stronger VCO audio on close targets, then a pronounced trailing-off modulated audio as the coil-to-target distance increases.

While I like a saturated audio for some hunting, I am more favorable of a good modulated audio response, hence the Omega and G2 are key models in my personal arsenal.

Monte

 

[jmaryt]

i am happy to know that monte!..i was never a fan of all metal mode,and mostly hunted in discriminate
just about all the time..i just felt it wasn't worthwhile for me,because of the preponderance of ferrous trash everywhere
i realize more power is (was) attainable in 'all metal",however as stated i was NOT a great user of such mode.
i am pleased to know the "omega" will once again allow us to hear fainter targets at very deep levels ,without producing
a loud (surface) like sound!..i don't know,i guess you could say it is like an "event phsycological" in that it was exciting to hear the deeper fainter "hits"
in the early days,and even though 'what counts" is "results",i STILL found it quite exciting to dig somethin' up that is 'deep"
KNOWING that PROBABLY it was a good target..(coin!)i believe mr johnson and crew have something "up their sleeves"
(so to speak) that will be revealed come spring,along with a new marketing opportunity!

(h.h!)
j.t.

 

[Monte]

i am happy to know that monte!..i was never a fan of all metal mode, and mostly hunted in discriminate just about all the time.. i just felt it wasn't worthwhile for me, because of the preponderance of ferrous trash everywhere. i realize more power is (was) attainable in 'all metal", however as stated i was NOT a great user of such mode.

There are many times I have chosen to search in All metal mode (true, Threshold-based AM), but even more times that I prefer to search with an 'all metal accept' Discriminate setting (i.e.: zero or no rejection). I liked to use the White's MXT in the Relic mode because I could hear the low-tone response from ferrous (Iron) targets and higher tone from non-ferrous, but one issue I had was that mode only had relic-type Target ID. After I used the Teknetics T2 I enjoyed having coin-based TID, but still favored VDI like I was used to. However, I had more control of the Volume, Sensitivity of each mode, and especially liked the selection of audio tone ID in the Disc. mode. I could search in the traditional All Metal mode, but also 'hear it all" in the Discriminate mode and use the Audio Tone ID to help classify iron junk as well as non-iron targets.

i am pleased to know the "omega" will once again allow us to hear fainter targets at very deep levels ,without producing
a loud (surface) like sound!..i don't know,i guess you could say it is like an "event phsycological" in that it was exciting to hear the deeper fainter "hits"
in the early days,and even though 'what counts" is "results", i STILL found it quite exciting to dig somethin' up that is 'deep" KNOWING that PROBABLY it was a good target.

After taking to the excellent feel of the T2 and the audio offerings and Discriminate settings, I was challenged by a dealer or two to give the Omega a try. I hadn't, for a few reasons, but decided to borrow one and use it and my MXT to see if there was much the Omega had to offer. I do like the MXT, and I like the MXT Pro much better, but the Omega still captured my attention for a few reasons. Coin-type TID is all modes, great Ground Phase read-out in all modes as well as VDI read-out, Ground Grab as well as manual Ground Balance, and four Audio Tone ID choices that let me pick the one I want for the type of site I am hunting. I switched.

There are times I like to use a detector with a fully saturated audio, like the White''s Coinmaster or Garrett Ace 250 or Teknetics Delta, and even though the Delta shines above the other two, I still like a more 'proportional' or 'modulated' audio. There are times I run the Omega in the d4 Audio Tone ID function and, with the Sensitivity at/near maximum, it works sort of similar to the White's MXT. That is, with the full Sensitivity setting, you do have a broader-range of full-audio response perhaps to something like (rough guess) maybe 80% of the overall depth of detection, and then it starts to trail off in a more modulated response. If popping coins in high-loss areas that are easy-to-recover, such as wood-chip or sand-filled playgrounds, I like the bolder audio hits.

Most of my favorite detecting, however, is in wooded areas or maybe a grassy site, or ghost towns, homestead, or all sorts of old-use locations. In those sites I usually prefer to have a much more modulated Audio Tone ID and for that I select the d2 and sometimes d1 options of the Omega. The result is that nice, 'old-style' audio response that I enjoyed for decades and prefer over full saturation. A lot of very good audio info is conveyed, especially when using top notch headphones and listening to what the detector conveys.

It adds to the excitement, as you state, in making many good target recoveries. I like it on my T2, on my Omega and the G2 and the Gamma, and I certainly hope those types of Audio Tone ID selections are available with any future model Teknetics offers us. I could see a T2 type package in the future with some of the more recent offerings found in the Omega and G2, and all able to use a modulated audio.

Monte

 

[MickTwin]

Are there any video's anyone can recommend that demonstrates the difference between "saturated" and "modulated" audio? I have the Teknetics Delta and in all-metal mode can hear the differences between differing metals. It also gives a fainter volume signal on deeper targets. Monte, you mentioned that,

There are times I like to use a detector with a fully saturated audio, like the White''s Coinmaster or Garrett Ace 250 or Teknetics Delta

but then you mention

I still like a more 'proportional' or 'modulated' audio

So what am I missing? I've also been using basic under $20 earbuds in the 1/8th jack. They are very comfortable and seem to work fine, but would a good set of detector headphones "open up" a new audio world for me? Thanks for any suggestions!

Still lovin my new Delta (and my wife) ,

MickTwin

 

[MickTwin]

Sorry, I meant to say I can hear the different metal sounds (high medium low) in Discriminate Mode. In all metal A1 and A2 you need to keep your eyes on the numbers, but then again it does give plenty of varied volume/sound changes that are hard to describe depending on how deep or how large the target is. Someone more experienced than me can describe them better, I'm sure.

 

[jmaryt]

yes!..i am happy to know that in d2 mode ,you can "replicate" modulated audio in the omega!..this is a great feature in my view!.monte!
i am hoping the guys at first texas have something new for us this coming spring!

(h.h!)
j.t.