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Hi, can anyone explain how any of the better detectors detect and identify gold through tone, Id etc. I'm more interested in the circuitry so I may incorporate it into my Gary's PI. DO any Geotech projects show this circuitry? My PI will detect it but I dont know the difference between a pennny or ring. How does the GC signal gold (having never used it)? HH Joe
 
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The conductivity is slightly different but perhaps need a microcontroller-PI machine to count it.
 
Perhaps what is needed is a totally different microprossesor added to sample clock speed of returns (like a depth sounder uses to chart bottom displays). Foil would/should give an eratic speed, and that could be discriminated out completely. That one step - foil elimination - would be a giant leap forward.
 
Hi Matt,
Bet you didn't find much foil with the XL500. That had good foil elimination <img src="/metal/html/glasses.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":geek:">
Eric.
 
That's true -- but now was that because it simply couldn't see those itty bitty pieces, or . . .? Inquiring minds . . .
I suspect, the former, which to me, was/is no detriment. The Gold Bug II for example, running at 40+ khz will find bits of gold so small it actually can get in the way of finding gold big enough to pay as you can quite litterally spend all day chasing dust. Not complaining, it's the best at what it does in VLF, but to get the big stuff, some of the small has to be ignored.
 
Hi Matt,
PI detectors are very good at rejecting foil because of the delay between the transmitter switch off and the receiver sampling the return signal. Obviously, if this delay is reduced, then progressively smaller and thinner pieces of foil will be detected. However, there is a very rapid decline in foil sensitivity when the decaying signal of the foil becomes equal to, or shorter than the sampling pulse delay.
The XL500 in its initial form had a minimum delay of 60uS, which would have rendered it very insensitive to foil. The main purpose, however, was to make it insensitive to the conductivity effects of sea water when diving. This delay may have been shortened in later models, but no less than 30uS, I would guess.
As you have experienced, the XL500 could still detect a wide range of gold jewellery, even with delay times which seem long today. The limitation today, though, for a diving machine in salt water, would still be about 30uS, depending on the coil size. Future coil design and "water balancing" technology may be able to improve on the foregoing figure. I'm sure that a lot of smaller gold objects are still hidden on Plate Fleet wreck sites because they can't be found with standard PI detectors.
Eric.
 
"I'm sure that a lot of smaller gold objects are still hidden on Plate Fleet wreck sites because they can't be found with standard PI detectors."
And that's area where smaller would be better -- relic gold. Doubtful much of that will ever be found though, unless it washes up or is found as a byproduct of other finds, since most of that tiny stuff gets hit with the mailbox and simply gets re-buried well outside the hole before the diver ever gets in the water.
No matter how it's done -- foil elimination is a good thing in my book (of course somebody will jump out of the woodwork to say "what about gold foil -- you're missing it . . .") Foiled again.
 
The microcontroller with quartz crystal is a good way to the accurate TX impuse, and RX sampling. And because the pause between two TX-RX cycle is relatively long, and the max VCO frequency about 1 KHZ maybe, same controller can send the audio output signal also. (But it was not tried yet, along many other things.) <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol">
 
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