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GOODIES from the Past, today...

dahut

Active member
Hit the detecting trail today with Hal Daves, my old dirt fishing buddy. He had learned of some sho-nuff 'secret' spots in and around Augusta, GA, so there was nuttin to do but hit 'em! Its just across the river from home and makes for a nice half day junk-et. Look up Aiken, SC on google and you'll see what I mean.

These secret "hot spots" of Hals turned out to be some reclamation lots that were littered with trash, as most such lots are. The scraping of the surface soil won't be done in earnest until next week, so we were a little too early. The pickings were pretty slim, in the middle of all the trash. But that is nothing new for us.

Here are the total gleanings on the day:

The Keepers -

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Just an amalgam of the usual stuff. Some few interesting things here, like the little threaded tool handle down in front. I suspect it was a machinists pick handle or a dental tool - something like that. Marbles are always welcome and there were a few, along with some clock gears. A nice button surfaced and several strap buckles, too, along with the large spherical "thingie" in back.
After examining it, I'm stumped. It isn't iron, it has a hole through the center, and I'm thinking plumb weight, or net weight. But I really haven't a clue.
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After hitting the first trashy lot, we decided to head to lot #2. That's when we saw yet another, different lot in the midst of being freshly scraped. Well, Hal jumped from the truck almost before I had it stopped, to talk to the job foremen. The guy said to come on back in an hour, they'd be done and we could have at it. Since we were going to have to wait, what else would two dedicated dirt grubbers do but head on to the originally planned spot, old #2? Now calling this one "#3," we headed off as fast as my old truck would go (which 'aint none too fast).

#2 was also a scraped lot, rumored to have once been the site of an old home. Well, we did find some brick work back in the woods, leading us to think there was maybe ANOTHER old site, separate from the one we came to investigate. Or maybe the rumors had gotten the exact location wrong. Regardless, we weren't thrilled with the look of this lot, as "walking the the dirt" didn't eyeball much to get us excited. There is potential, though, as evidenced by this found tag:

The Tag
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It's made of bronze and midranges, like a zinc cent. I find these often on early sites around the area. Tags like this often have holes, to be used as I.D. markers, the idea being to tack them on to the item to be marked with a small brad nail. Sometimes they have hanger loops for wiring them on to things, too. The lack of these fixture devices suggests this was a claim tag or perhaps a wage token.
Both are normally larger than this one, in my experience, this one being about the size of a quarter. But neither is out of the question. I personally like the wage token idea, so I'm sticking with that. But again, who knows? :shrug:
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With little at lot #2 to hold us, we shot back to the #3 sight. Now, this was a different sort of challenge. It was obvious as soon as we set foot on it that it was once a coal yard. The ground was literally a mass of coal - not slag, but raw coal. Some places simply turned to crumbled coal beneath the dirt, when the shovel dug in. In other places you got as much coal as soil, or lumps of coil mixed with rocks... some of them the dreaded "hot rocks!"
It was also infested with iron trash, which is no surprise, as this was once the rail and industrial heart of old Augusta.
Poor old Hal was using a Whites Classic ID which, sadly, was falsing like mad with what this site was throwing at us. He ended up using, by backup detector. I tried his Classic, too, and I was feeling sympathetic for him after about 10 minutes of use! It was the first time I've ever felt out of sorts with a Whites detector. :thumbdown:

But mixed in with the crap were these little goodies:

The Tokens
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These are aluminum trade tokens. I found no less than 17 of them and Hal nearly that many. And we didn't grid the entire area.
There were two sizes: the first like this one, the size of a quarter. The other is the the size of a half dollar and carries the denomination of "25". They are marked with the legends:

"Good for XX in merchandise" on one side, and...
"Lucky-Dykes Coal Co," on the other.

Being aluminum, they are eaten up pretty good. This metal didn't come into use until the early 1900's and trade tokens of this type pretty much dried up about the time coal use did. I'd say these date somewhere between the 'teens-40's. In the center of one side there is also a swastika-like symbol. Most will know the swastika was a good luck symbol, until the Nazi's ruined that notion during WWII.
So, I would say that they do not post date that time - most likely they were used during the 20's and 30's.
So far I have been unable to find any reference to them, or the company. But it was a lot of fun finding them. It was as if a box of them had been scattered around the area. Maybe they were simply tossed out into the yard when they were no longer useful.
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And as always, there was the trash...

The Usual Suspects

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I haven't done any detecting since last April, so today's time in the sun, wind and bugs took a good bit of steam out of me. But, I'm going back tomorrow! I had fun, and want more!
 
Those are the types of finds that I don't mind finding as I am intrigued by the old days and what certain things were used for. Besides I am finding out when I research "odds and ends" (trash to some) like those items you have I always find info to use when detecting that I was not expecting. Try rersearching some of your finds you may be surprised at some of the results.

Don
 
DJR said:
Those are the types of finds that I don't mind finding as I am intrigued by the old days and what certain things were used for. Besides I am finding out when I research "odds and ends" (trash to some) like those items you have I always find info to use when detecting that I was not expecting. Try rersearching some of your finds you may be surprised at some of the results.

Don
As it happens, the tokens are coal scrip pieces:

"Scrip, as used in coal mining, was essentially a credit system. When an employee needed a pay advance to hold him over until the next payday, he was given an advance in company scrip which was good only at the company store. This advance was charged against his payroll account and was deducted from the amount due at the next payday.

In order to obtain cash, some miners sold their scrip at a discount. Since payday was generally once every two weeks, or once a month, it was necessary for most miners to use this credit system. This had the advantage for the company of making captive customers of its employees, since the scrip was only good at the company store where many companies inflated prices so that they made a healthy profit from the coal they sold and from the goods their employees bought at their store.

Coal scrip was generally in the form of metal tokens, paper punch cards and ticket books. The Tennessee Ernie Ford song "Sixteen Tons" with its line "I owe my soul to the company store" refers to this credit system. Scrip tokens began to be used in the U.S. in the late 1870s and continued in use into the early 1950s, when they were outlawed."


The company in question - "Lucky -Dykes Coal Company" - is, as yet, unknown to us. We cannot find any reference to it.
 
nice hunt dahut :thumbup:i"m glad to see ya found plenty of goodies, that handle in the first pic is an old shaver handle i"v found a few over the years.
lazyaussie
 
lazyaussie said:
nice hunt dahut :thumbup:i"m glad to see ya found plenty of goodies, that handle in the first pic is an old shaver handle i"v found a few over the years.
lazyaussie
A shaver handle - of course! I vaguely remember those sorts of shavers. Thanks, LA. :thumbup:
 
David

Sounds like a research project to me...the info on the mine and its location may be rewarding and you may have a historical site that has gone into the "unknown zone" as many usually do. It sounds as though it was probably bought out by another or other companies.

You live in SC right?

Not too many coal companies that far south I know they extend I believe into northern Alabama. It sounds like you have a very old coal mine in the vacinity.

Good luck

Don
 
DJR said:
David

Sounds like a research project to me...the info on the mine and its location may be rewarding and you may have a historical site that has gone into the "unknown zone" as many usually do. It sounds as though it was probably bought out by another or other companies.

You live in SC right?

Not too many coal companies that far south I know they extend I believe into northern Alabama. It sounds like you have a very old coal mine in the vacinity.

Good luck

Don
It turns out they are a previously unknown variety. Several experts have come forward to tell me that we have what can only be called a rarity. I have gotten the history of the company, such as it is. It seems they were in business from 1915-1919 before they became another company.

Sadly, they are badly corroded with some nearly unrecognizable. We may be able to get our names into the footnotes, for being the first to find them, but I suspect that is about it. So it goes. :shrug:
 
After I posted the reply last night I did some searching and could not find much either but...there was a "Lucky Strike Mine" in Jersey or Pennsylvania I believe and/or a business man that had a last name of "Lucky" who was in the coal business I think and may have ancestors that are still involved with the coal industry. I also found that "Dykes" may be another gentleman from the period that was in Tennessee and was an investor if I remember correctly. He may have been involved or an owner of stores back then. I also found out that alot of these script could be used in coal mining, iron smelting/, and logging companies as well so you may have a script that came from a coal/iron/logging company back then in your area.

Good luck in your quest. Keep us posted if you find any info.

And congrats on its rarety!

Don
 
DJR said:
After I posted the reply last night I did some searching and could not find much either but...there was a "Lucky Strike Mine" in Jersey or Pennsylvania I believe and/or a business man that had a last name of "Lucky" who was in the coal business I think and may have ancestors that are still involved with the coal industry. I also found that "Dykes" may be another gentleman from the period that was in Tennessee and was an investor if I remember correctly. He may have been involved or an owner of stores back then. I also found out that a lot of these script could be used in coal mining, iron smelting/, and logging companies as well so you may have a script that came from a coal/iron/logging company back then in your area.

Good luck in your quest. Keep us posted if you find any info.

And congrats on its rarity!

Don
I got this from an expert in the many tokens of Georgia:

"This is what I know about the Lucky-Dykes Coal Co. after looking in my Georgia Dunn & Bradstreet business directories:
Lucky-Dykes Coal Co. is listed in my 1918 & 1919 D&B directories.

Arthur E. Dykes is listed from 1923-1949 as proprietor of the Dykes Coal & Wood Co.

Nothing is listed in my 1920 directory and 1914 is the next earliest one I have so I would say that the Lucky-Dykes Coal Co. was in business somewhere around 1915-1919 when the business dissolved and Dykes took over around 1920 or 1921 and ran it himself for 3 decades or more."

It would appear that they are indeed retail redemption tokens, as I first suspected. They remain unknown, however, and there may be some collector interest in them. I'm in the midst of cleaning them now.
 
DJR said:
It sounds like you found a "little bit of history" with that one token!

Congrats

Don
And today I found a little bit more - another token. This one was rectangular, also aluminum. It reads:

"Kessels Bakery -- Augusta, GA"
"Good for one 5C loaf of bread"

I like the tokens, but I DO NOT like the aluminum they are made of. They end up looking like crap!
 
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