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Got the SE Pro last night, want to do a depth test...

sgoss66

sgoss66

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Everyone --

Just got my unit last night, and haven't even read the manual yet. Having said that -- while I WILL keep the machine in default settings, per Bryce's advice, for my first several hunts, I bought this machine used -- and so I want to do some quick testing to make sure it's doing what it should. I have a test garden, with many different coins at various depths, and would like to do a quick test of the depth limits of the machine. So, FOR THIS TEST ONLY, I'd like to set the machine up as hot/sensitive as possible...just to see what it does with various coins at various depths. While I know some of this is soil and EMI dependent, can someone give me a set of settings that will be a real "hot" setup, (I don't even know how to go about this, at this point) so I can see what the "peak" performance of the machine might be in my soil? After the testing, I PROMISE to set it back down to the default settings! :)

Thanks,

Steve
 
Steve, have you considered giving it a try in factory presets first ? Thats what I would do. If It doesn't locate then i'd try maybe raising the sensitivity. I'd be willing to bet it finds them though. Good luck, Joe.
 
surfman,

I ran outside for a just minute last night, in the dark, so I didn't even know which coin I was over. Just wanted to make sure it was "working." Doing so, I did see most of the coins, but -- given the caveat that it WAS dark so I'm not positive -- I am thinking it was not hitting the deeper coins in the garden. Now, I am pretty sure this was NOT the factory presets, as I now realize that I just pressed the "on" button (and ground cancelled); I forgot to hold the "ON" button for two seconds to let the machine go into "factory presets," so the machine apparently started up in whatever mode the last user had it set in. DUH!

Anyway, I have NO problem if the machine will not hit my deeper coins in a somewhat "toned-down" factory default setup, as my deeper coins are quite a ways down -- several at 10" and a few at 12". Having said that, though, I can usually run my different detectors in a hot enough setup to allow them to see these coins, and from that perspective I just want to make sure that's the case with the SE Pro. I want to verify that the depth capability is there with this machine (whether I would normally run that "hot," or not), and that it is thus at least "on par" with the deeper detectors that I've run through the garden.

Steve
 
i,ld go factory peset first then manual sens keep raising and ground cancel as you go see what happens then go all metal do the same with sens little at time to it gets to unstable rember to set back to factory preseta after and remember this is a fbs detector that also helps with better cleaner i,ds on targets not just a matter of depth but it does also get plenty of that good hunting
 
teleman --

I didn't see your response before I went out -- I only had about 5-10 minutes, but did get to run through the test garden. I happened to do similar to what you said -- I went to factory preset, then put it in manual sensitivity and kept ratcheting it up. It was stable all the way up to 32. Anyway, I am AMAZED at how much the sensitivity affects depth. Number one, factory semi-auto 22 sens. can't see my 10" silver dime, but manual 32 sens. can. Interestingly, manual sens. is deeper than semi auto sens. -- even at the same sensitivity number. I could not see that 10" silver dime in semi-auto 32 sens., but I could in manual 32 sens.

Some interesting things I discovered. Also interesting that on some of the coins I could not get a tone on, I COULD get a little bit of nulling; when I would raise the sensitivity, the coin which was nulling a bit would then appear.

I did not check all metal mode; I will do that next.

And finally, you make a GREAT point -- the FBS giving cleaner ids with depth is IMPORTANT! That is a HUGE reason why I got this machine; my F70 is a depth BEAST, deeper I think than this SE Pro (at least initial impressions). However, that machine does not give the ID with depth that I am expecting the SE Pro to (and which I began to verify tonight -- I was getting at least ID "hints" on the deep coins that the SE Pro could see).

THANKS,

Steve
 
I see one problem.... you havent learned it. So id take bets on it being deeper than your 70 if you give it time. AM on the ML isnt a true motionless mode simply because its a processed signal that will give you tone and TID unlike pinpoint on most machines. I think you will find there are a lot of different ways to hunt the SE. It seems like everyone has their own settings that work for them.

Dew
 
In manual 32 the sensitivity is maxed out. In Auto on the Explorers series of which your SE is one it will be set by the detector to what it sees as a good stable number and you don't know what that number is that is why you get more depth with manual than auto as that number could be down as low as single digits in that particular soil. Auto just makes it smother or stabler.

On the Etrac it shows you what the setting is and what is suggested as it has 3 channels it's using one is for ground one is what it's actually at and one is for showing recommended. Also has a +1,2,3 settings to bump it up more than what it's at allowing it to run hotter. It will always try to pull the setting higher for you. On Explorers series it will try to pull it lower or equal to what it's set at never higher so maybe best to run in auto at 32 maxed out and let the machine pick where it's going to be though you won't know what that is. That is why some people run in manual instead as that is where it's actually at.
 
What ive found is in auto it has a distinct cut off... while manual knows something is there and will continue to ID the target. You get a alot of bounce but it keeps trying even if it has to give a null sound on a good targets really deep. That said... ive dug a lot of deep coins and have tested them in both manual and semi... if you get a TID in manual most of the time i could get it in semi. But it clearly air tests differently.

Dew
 
Great info dewcon and Etrac Tom.

I cannot possibly see this machine being deeper than my F70, in terms of raw depth. The 70's weakness is that will ID all deep coins very solidly as iron, but it will SEE a coin target at WELL over 12" in my soil, 14-15"? I think so. Not sure, as I have nothing deeper buried than 12", but on a 12" quarter I was able to hit it with a 3-5" of "air gap" in when the machine is set in "slow" mode. Last night, I ran the SE Pro as hot as I knew how to run it, and couldn't see the 12" quarter with any more than a VERY occasional blip. Now, the only difference is the soil is drier now, than when I tested the F70 -- so it's not "apples to apples," but I do know that my F70 is a BEAST. I just does not ID well with depth, and I'm thinking the SE Pro is going to have an advantage, in that regard. But yes, WAY more experience needed, OBVIOUSLY. :) I hope you are right, dewcon!

Also, that note you made about auto vs. manual, and the "cut off" versus trying to give you a "hint", is good info for me to remember.

Steve
 
Not knowing how your test garden was constructed or cleaned i cant say that the results would be accurate in the field. Test gardens are just that a way to make some adjustments.... in the field there are a LOT of factors that will affect each detector seperately. Also you know the target is there. Its much like air testing some do better where coil meets the soil. They just process and filter information differently. Factory presets really play a factor with many machines. I guess my next question would be are you digging every target that reads as iron? I think we all know that wrap-around at depth occurs and that good targets null or show as iron... but its just to time consuming to dig those kind of signals. If you are getting 14 inches with the 70 id suggest you stick with it. I get that kind of depth on the beach... but not in mineralization soil that changes the signal ID.

Dew
 
dew --

As for the test garden, I cleaned very thoroughly, but yes, results in the field are often better, or worse, certainly not the same. The biggest thing I use the garden for are A) getting a GENERAL idea how a machine responds to different targets, at different depths, while tweaking the settings, and B) to compare two machines and how they compare in their reactions to known targets.

To answer your question, no WAY am I digging those deep iron targets -- which is exactly why I switched. It is ABSOLUTELY too time consuming to dig every target as a coin hunter. And ABSOLUTELY I have the advantage of knowing the targets are there in my garden -- which makes it easier to find them.

Please understand, while the F70 is amazing in how deep it can SEE a target, it is POOR in my soil, with the stock 10" concentric coil, at IDing a deep target as anything but iron. My point was, RAW depth (like, perhaps, a relic hunter might want,) the F70 is in my opinion nearly unbeatable. HOWEVER, as a coin hunter, who hunts trashy areas, I want more ID information to help the dig/no-dig decisions, and that's where I think the FBS machines will have a big advantage. HOPEFULLY that's a correct mindset.

Steve
 
What you will learn is it isnt the TID screen that will be the big pay day on the SE its the tones that are very accurate. I do a little bit of it all... relic, field, parks and just got back from 3 months in Fla in the sand. I dont think you are going to be disappointed with the SE. Most people find when they switch machines their finds initially decrease. I didnt find that to be so... in fact my silver and IH finds increased. Enjoy your testing and let us know how things are going.

Dew
 
You are not the first person to say that, Dew (about the tones being the best "ID" information). That's going to be something that I'll have to get used to. I can't wait to get the machine out hunting. I think I have a good, basic understand of the menu system and the options; now I'm ready to hit a hunting site (in the factory defaults, of course!) Thanks for the the encouragement...

Steve
 
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