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For a good couple of weeks I had been trying to get permission to hunt around an old school house dating back to the mid 1800's that sits on county park property, about a mile or so from my house. After talking to county folks and getting passed to this and that person I ran into park site supervisor yesterday cleaning up from storm at the old school, which is occasionally still use by groups and county police as a sub station. The supervisior said it was ok to hunt the property. I got up and was there at 9:00 am and was taking a coffee break when a county police officer pulled up and asked me if I was ok. I said yes and I head permission to hunt. She said she saw me there yesterday. She backs up and gets on her cell phone for a good half hour while I continue to hunt the one side yard. I moved to the other side and she walks over and asks what I was looking for and my response was "anything". Then she says I can't hunt around the building. Why? I ask, I have "permission". Because I am a supervisor with the police and I don't want you hunting around the building, it is county property. I said so is the park.....her response was that is ok, just not around the building. I said ....ok, sorry?..... and left. I was disappointed To say the least. I hadn't found anything up to that point anyway.
Guess it depends on who you talk to and what day it is.........lol


Thanks
Denis
 
Frustrating would be a good word to use. Volunteer for some clean up work. Tell the supervisor he gets the surface trash, you get hidden trash. I ask for a business card from the supervisor. They are happy to give it to you. I keep them in wallet just in case. Saved me more than once. Happy hunting
 
When I get permission I try and get the contact info of that person. This way you can name drop like "Joe Beeper said it was fine - here's his phone number" I really feel that you'll be back hunting this site very soon. Don't give up.
 
I could respond to this, but Tom in Ca. can express my feelings about getting permission for detecting taxpayer funded public property so much better. Tom?
 
Hi Marcomo, thanx for the invite and intro :)

For starters, great that Denis "had permission". Personally, that was risky from the git-go. Because to be honest with you, he could just as easily have gotten a "no", when no real rule exists that says such a thing. Ie.: simply because you asked, and simply because whatever desk-bound person you asked had some mental image, or was in a bad mood, etc... you risk a "no". I would have just gone (barring unless it's on obvious sacred historic monument) and never "asked" anyone. I mean, would you have asked if you can fly a frisbee? Then why think you need "permission" to metal detect? (and assuming, of course, you don't intend to leave holes, etc...).

But be that as it may, you asked, and got a "yes". Great. With all due respect to big-cat-daddy, by telling a city or county bureaucrat to put something in writing, is the FASTEST way to get any yes's turned into "no's". Few, if any, rank-&-file type desk-jockys are going to put something legal in writing for you like that. It only conjurs up images of them putting their neck on the line, and simply presumes that something is inherently wrong, or damaging, or illegal, etc... that you needed it in writing, to begin with! For example, if someone came to your door, and asked if they could detect your lawn, you might say "sure, knock yourself out". But if that total stranger then thrusts a legal document in front of you to sign, what is your thoughts then? You'll reconsider this, and figure something must be awry, eh?

But all that aside, this whole episode is only reflective of how next-to-useless "permission" (as if it had been needed) is to begin with. There has been numerous examples/stories like this, of persons going to city or county hall, getting "permission" (to hunt some innocuous place like this). Then when accosted in the park or beach by a busy-body gardener or cop, proudly whips out their "permission". But it gets just as quickly revoked when that busy-body person gets on their cell-phone, calls down to city or county hall, and says something silly like "but he's tearing up the place" or "he's harming the earthworms" or any such thing. And if you debate them, guess who's going to win?

Naturally, having NO "permission ALSO doesn't "solve" this. Granted. But at least you don't preclude yourself from hunting some place where no one would really have ever cared (till you asked).

All I can say is, there is simply no escaping the oddity that our hobby has. It draws the stares of the curious, and does, admittedly, have connotations (that you might leave a mess, or steal the publics cultural resources, etc....). It's gotten to where I only hunt parks at odd times, when no such person's are present. You know, like after 5pm, early AM's, or even at night.

You could certainly go back to the person who gave you "permission", but then the risk becomes, that they might just ..... to avoid hassles, simply say "no detecting" in the face of this beat-cop. Here's what I've done in cases like this (and it's probably controversial): I just go back at a different shift, when I know that particular busy-body is not on-shift. For example: if that happened in the AM, then odds are, their shift is AM's. Simply wait a few weeks, and go again at an evening time. I got flack from a lady-cop once, at a park I'd detected at for 15+ yrs., in a city a few hours from me. Rather than debate her, and since I was done for the day, I just paid lip service and left. Since I don't get to this part of the state that often, it was a long time (6 months?) before I was in that area again. I simply went again (being careful to choose a low traffic time) and ...... that was 7 yrs. ago. I've been back dozens of times and never heard "boo" again.

Anyhow, you say you weren't finding any oldies anyhow, so perhaps it's a non-issue?
 
My 'gut feeling' is that she or someone she knows lost something valuable 'around the building'.
Maybe, there is an opportunity there to get on the good side of the officer, offer to find it.
 
Well said as always, Tom.

I might add that I've found in life that by being respectful and deferential to their authority, I can almost always change the attitude of an initially less than friendly cop.
 
Or it could have been some PMS. Or mabe her husband or son or whoever was planning on detecting that spot. Ya just never know.
 
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