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MNCoinhunter
Active member
I have'nt seen any videos, but they do advise that your sweep (one way) be about 4 seconds. After seeing how it is processing signals, I can see going even slower to get the most out of the detector.
dewcon4414
Well-known member
Rarely when i find an old home site on a map is it difficult to tell where it was just by the lay of the land. I use AM so you can tell pretty quick when you are in a target rich area. Thats always the area you want to hunt first. Find the front or side of the house you believe the drive way to have been. I normally find some goodies there. If you hunt it to fast, just like in a park you will miss some real exciting finds. Ferr works great in these areas on old coppers. You will still get high tones from rust... but it shows up at the bottom right of the screen. Hot rocks will be 00-31.... but LCs come in there pretty close on the smartscreen so dont overlook them. IHs sound GREAT. Coins still have that high tone. What you will notice in Ferr is that you really need to center the target better than in Cond... the tones will change as you center those close to the coil. I dont hunt the zone out of the hot spot until last as a clean up. You will loose a little depth in the trash but as you move away you will pick it back up.
Dew
Dew
4 seconds is just about right...any faster especially in trash, or deep stuff your gonna miss it.
You have a good point, if you have a new spot that you need to search...lots of big spaces, you may want to use a faster machine just to get the lay of the land, like I'm doin.
You have a good point, if you have a new spot that you need to search...lots of big spaces, you may want to use a faster machine just to get the lay of the land, like I'm doin.
So what is the advantage of having the Explorer over the F75 which is just as deep but faster.
Aaron said:4 seconds is just about right...any faster especially in trash, or deep stuff your gonna miss it.
You have a good point, if you have a new spot that you need to search...lots of big spaces, you may want to use a faster machine just to get the lay of the land, like I'm doin.
[size=large]my first thought is, why did you buy the explorer if you already have a faster but just as good of a machine? your question is logical but i think so is mine. my second thought is that with the fast comes the missed. more misses from the faster machines. from what i've been reading, the ex se will pick up on little peak-a-boos that are mostly masked but have just enough to make a chirp. otherwise you're either happy with your speed-ball machine or you're not. you're content with your machine or you think this other one will do just a tad bit better. eek out just a little more finds. some folks are very happy with their much less costly machines than others who are constantly looking for the perfect machine.jmo
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The ground being more mineralised is the main reason I bought the SE. In the bad ground it is difficult to locate a dime at more than 4" deep with either my F75 or my buddies White's machines, DFX, M6 etc.
Secondly from what I read here you have to swing slow, but in my test garden I can swing the SE as fast as I can and still find each target with a nice high tone.
The reason I started this question was, first, not knowing, ops an idiot for just a moment in time by asking what some may take offence to, second I have a desire to learn the SE to it's fullest.
Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers. I'm just after you years of knowledge to help me on the path to learning and being successful with the SE
Secondly from what I read here you have to swing slow, but in my test garden I can swing the SE as fast as I can and still find each target with a nice high tone.
The reason I started this question was, first, not knowing, ops an idiot for just a moment in time by asking what some may take offence to, second I have a desire to learn the SE to it's fullest.
Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers. I'm just after you years of knowledge to help me on the path to learning and being successful with the SE
MNCoinhunter
Active member
I can see being able to swing fast in your test garden if there are no other targets mixed in, or in close proximity to your test objects. Since it is only seeing the one target that you buried. I think it would pay to have another detector that you can swing fast so you can get the lay of the land.
[size=large]well to start i have all of maybe 80 or so hours on my SE pro. got it in DEC. 2010. still very much learning.
you do seem to answer your own question though. the SE will do better on your soil than the faster machines. i believe it was Bryce who used the term scanning. you scan like with a laser instead of swing. the slow speed allows for a better detail of response and it seems minelabs are known for slower responses.
another thing I've picked up on was that the SE will respond differently in old soil compared to semi-old disturbed dirt.i think this was covered in the explorer class-room forum.
as for the you tube guy. i think that's wolfe in eengland. nothing more than an air test but does show ya gotta go slow. something bryce and dew and a few other long time users always remind folks of.
and it would seem i must apologize to you. i don't mean to sound offended or ruffled. and there is never a bad question. well except the one you don't ask.
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you do seem to answer your own question though. the SE will do better on your soil than the faster machines. i believe it was Bryce who used the term scanning. you scan like with a laser instead of swing. the slow speed allows for a better detail of response and it seems minelabs are known for slower responses.
another thing I've picked up on was that the SE will respond differently in old soil compared to semi-old disturbed dirt.i think this was covered in the explorer class-room forum.
as for the you tube guy. i think that's wolfe in eengland. nothing more than an air test but does show ya gotta go slow. something bryce and dew and a few other long time users always remind folks of.
and it would seem i must apologize to you. i don't mean to sound offended or ruffled. and there is never a bad question. well except the one you don't ask.
HH
[/size]imagine sweep speed like driving car, when you on empty highway you drive fast, when you in traffic you barely move. but remember to slow and you will start to loose all targets.-----------or your one sweep will never end 
. I think most who use allot explorers have very similar sweep speed, because all explorers coils are similar heavy and we have very similar distance from handle to coil. and naturally we sweep similar. play with any target what you will find, try different sweep speed and you will learn. good luck Stasys
. I think most who use allot explorers have very similar sweep speed, because all explorers coils are similar heavy and we have very similar distance from handle to coil. and naturally we sweep similar. play with any target what you will find, try different sweep speed and you will learn. good luck Stasys
dewcon4414
Well-known member
A lot has to do with filers. Faster machines may have more filers... the DFX claims up to 6 i believe. It may be a faster machine, but those filters eliminate weak signals. The SE is a motion machine as well.... but can almost operate at a stand still. You can do that with the DFX... but you get a LOT of mineral, EMI, and trash targets that it stops filtering so it can be noisy. Its not always the speed.... but the separation thats most important in the areas you are talking about. Also some detectors require more space between the coil and soil or they will pick up coins in the iron range.... the SE prefers being on or very near the ground and give a darn good TID on deep targets. The faster you swing those quick recovery machines they deep they tend id targets... because of filterings... but the down side is you WILL miss some targets in trash.
Dew
Dew
Chris(SoCenWI)
Well-known member
Markg,
This is another misunderstanding. You actually get a bit more depth on a faster swing. But... That only works in clean ground. If there is a lot of junk and most places you hunt there will be then you need to slow down. And not just slow down but overlap your swings hugely and hit the site from many different angles. The photo that Bryce just posted of a dime under a nail is a perfect example. If he had hit that from a different angle he would not have gotten a signal. Some times you can only get a little peep of a good signal from a target because of all the surrounding junk.
I also have one of those detectors you are supposed to swing fast to get a good ID. It too doesn't work that way in trashy environments. Pretty much have to do the minelab "wiggle" over the target to get any kind of accurate ID, and because it only is a one dimensional display you get much less information.
Chris
This is another misunderstanding. You actually get a bit more depth on a faster swing. But... That only works in clean ground. If there is a lot of junk and most places you hunt there will be then you need to slow down. And not just slow down but overlap your swings hugely and hit the site from many different angles. The photo that Bryce just posted of a dime under a nail is a perfect example. If he had hit that from a different angle he would not have gotten a signal. Some times you can only get a little peep of a good signal from a target because of all the surrounding junk.
I also have one of those detectors you are supposed to swing fast to get a good ID. It too doesn't work that way in trashy environments. Pretty much have to do the minelab "wiggle" over the target to get any kind of accurate ID, and because it only is a one dimensional display you get much less information.
Chris
It holds true for me whether the ground is clean or trashy. Of course when I'm in trashy spots I slow down even more. I think about 4 seconds each swing would be about average for me. From all the experimenting I have done with my hunting buddy over undug targets...we both find we get the best depth the slower we go.
