Has anyone else had a slow display issue on their SE like Tinfoil posted below???

[digitrich]

Mine seems a little slow and just wondering if anyone sent theirs in and what the result was. I don't want to send it in and then find out There was nothing wrong with it after all and I went without it for nothing.

 

[digitrich]

If the display updated as fast as the tones you wouldn't be able to follow the cursor or the digital numbers. That would make ID ing pretty darn impossible.

 

[NH Bob]

If you only had one item laying on the ground and swung over it in a semi rapid swing you would hear the tone but the machine sometimes takes a few swings to display correctly.

 

[Tinfoil]

So what I think I will do is just go back to my lurking. Keep my info to myself from now own. I don't post much as it is so, it will be no loss. I would rather read then Post anyway. Have a nice day and go cause that is what I am going to do. I am now sorry I ever Posted anything here on this. You won't hear another word about this from me. Later Jerry aka Tinfoil.

 

[Dan-Pa.]

Opinions from experienced users as yourself and many others would make this an interesting forum for newbies or oldbies alike..Sometimes posts are misread but opinions and the like would help all if we kick these aspects around...

 

[Charles (Upstate NY)]

We dubbed my first SE 'El-defecto' and sent it back to Minelab. It was doing some pretty strange stuff, ID'ing quarters as pennys and worse. Screen would whack out and scramble after sweeping a target. So there have been some issues.

As to this issue, tone ID is instantanious while visual ID (smartfind cursor or digital reading) is delayed until the machine returns to threshold. Thats been true since the XS. But with targets spread 12 inches apart, thats extreme. One would have to swing pretty fast for the machine not to return to threshold inbetween the targets.

Depth is a factor. If these were all on the surface and one were sweeping with the coil very close to the targets, say within 2 inches then I can see this happening. The coil is not only hot down the center of the coil, its sensitive all around the entire parameter of the coil if the target is close enough. In that case the coil may still be picking up target 1 a couple inches off the side of the coil when it starts passing over target 2.

That said if you raised the coil up to say a height of 6 inches above the targets and it could not ID each in turn with a return to threshold inbetween I'd say the machine needs to be looked at.

On a side note I always wondered why there was a delay in the visual ID. There are some people working on digital PI machines now e.g. they have LCD screens, microprocessors, etc. The issues they are running into are, the LCD screens cannot update fast enough. Hardware limitation with the screens and the microprocessor speed. Another is noise. The digital electronics generate a lot of noise so some are putting the digital electronics into sleep mode (micro, LCD screen, etc) during sampling then turning them back on after the sample.

Given how slow the Explorer is to update the LCD screen in edit mode I'd guess that is largely why its not updated in sync with tone ID.

Charles

 

[digitrich]

Jerry, no, I don't think your stupid, helpful yes, stupid no. I just think my SE and yours have the same hiccup thing going on. There is a big difference between slow and pass three targets and it still displays the first target in the row of coins you passed over. I did the same test with a T2 and the display updated on all of them almost instantly, however my SE, I would have to go over each coin in two separate directions individually back and forth before moving on to the next target for the display to update. If I just went in one direction in one pass over the three separate coins it will not update, even when I slow my sweep to a crawl, and the machine was on fast. I also didn't notice it until I got in areas that were thick in targets, not trash, but when you get three slightly different high tones almost instantly, then it's near impossible to tell which ones which without that damn screen updating, it can be done, with the tones, but it would be easier if the other half ot the info was there too. I was just asking if others noticed that and if it were something Mine lab intended or not. I had no intention of offending you.

 

[Dan-Pa.]

Indeed for the most part an Explorer is a slow sweep unit and many on the market even those much cheaper are faster but surely don't have the depth....

 

[Tinfoil]

Don't matter. My buddy called me this morning and is laughing his butt of cause he got a new SE and his works fine. He said it is lighting fast on the changing Id's and he done the same test as before. You need the ID to update in the trash for two reasons. One to know what you are looking at as close together iron targets and good stuff will give you the short chirps. Second if you swing to fast you are not letting the machine up date and are missing targets especially hunting the trash. Listen guys I am running wide open screen and All Metal at Iron Mask 32. This SE processor is faster cause I can tell just with the tones and hunting all the years with the Exp ll and the XS. Now XS the was slower then the Exp ll. The Exp ll was faster. Then the SE came along and it is really fast. We are not talking about me swinging fast like whipping the coils over the targets. I tried it every way you can do it and at different widths of the coins apart and different sweep speeds and like Charles said at different heights of the different coils. What happens when you hit a iron target first, get the low tone and Iron Id get a chirping tone or nickle tone or any other tone and no Id's. The numbers and cross hairs are there to help you ID the target. As long as you are giving the machine enough time to see the target it should change Id numbers and cursor should move in the correct manor. That is why they put them there. You might as well just have a tone ID machine and forget all the rest of the stuff. For you guys that have never hunted the real bad trash and Iron constantly like I hunt, where the good stuff is mixed in with the real bad stuff. You can't know or understand what I am taking about or maybe I have not explained it very well. You need the Id and the cross hairs to figure out what you got. There are eight things that are important when you hunt the trash and Iron trash like I do. Tone, first, Cross hairs (cursor) second, ID Third, and fourth hunt All metal so you hear every spit, fart, crackle, pop, chirp. 5th hunt in Ferrous so the iron will stand out. 6th Fast on, 7th Deep off, on if you can take the extra noisy stuff, 8th Gain 6 or 7. I run a low tone threshold tone and a just audible threshold also. I sent it to M/L so we will see what is going on. Maybe I am all wet as I just don't remember my Exp ll doing this and it is the same three coins in my garden that have been there for years and only one thin dime on edge at 8"s. Like I said we will see. THE END OF THIS POST and thanks for the help. This stuff drives me some times.but I love it. : : Later Jerry aka Tinfoil

 

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[NH Bob]

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