Here is one to try at the beach on the wet sand

[Tinfoil]

Are you guys G/B the machine before you go into the beach mode or after you go in the beach mode go back to G/B, G/B in auto then hit detect or push the G/B button. I want to know what you guys are finding that happens to the machine when you G/B both ways. I am thinking you can run the sen. up higher if you go to beach first then go back to G/B, G/B the machine then just hit the detect/pinpoint button. I have to go down to our beach which has salt and fresh water combined but it is mostly salt and I am going to try this. What I want to know is, which way can you run the sen. the highest and still not get the falsing and the machine stay G/B properly. Anyway something to try out. I found that just in the dirt at a sen. of 28 if you G/B normally then go to the beach mode my dime I have on edge at 8"s sounds like crap. Yet if you go to G/B then hold the G/B button in for 3 sec. put the machine in beach mode then go back G/B the machine then go to the detect mode I don't have to mess with the sen. and can leave it where it was at 28 and the dime sounds the same as if you are not in the beach mode, yet it is in the beach mode. Man I hope I didn't make everyone . Maybe I just nee to go down to the beach tomorrow and try this out. I was just wondering if anyone else had run into this. What I am thing is when you go to the beach mode your gain is cut back so if you cut the gain back why would you have to lower the sen. also. Anyway first thing tomorrow if it don't rain I am going to go check this out. My shadow X5 all I got to do is flip it to beach, G/B to normal and I don't have to lower the Sen. any and it still will get the deep stuff. Anyway don't Ya'll all get on me now. I am in bad enough shape as it is. Oh Bill I thought they shot you if you broke a leg. Oops sorry that is only with a horse right. Later Jerry aka Tinfoil.

 

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[wpaxt]

But I got to admit you made me laugh! 13 weeks of this has been enough--you guys are going to have to teach me how to use the X-Terra's if I'm out much longer! I'm hoping I'm like Barbaro, the Derby winner. They didn't shoot him, either; hopefully we will both be running again soon!

Your comment on GB'ing is really interesting--let me know how it works on the beach. I'm guessing that perhaps it has something to do with the beach mode & it's stabilizing effect on signals. You may have found an interesting workaround for the machine, so I'm very curious. But hey, I'm no Bruce Candy. Heck, I'm not even a John Candy!

Good to see your post and find some good stuff out there!

Bill (S. CA)

 

[Tinfoil]

I got my detectors mixed up again. All I got to do is put the X5 in fixed G/B and hunt the beach with the sen. at 8.5. If it gets to chirping and reacting to the beach mineralization all I have to do is flip it to beach and everything will run quieter and most of the time I don't have to turn the sen. down. I figured I better correct that before some of these old guys that have been around doing this stuff for a while like me, start on me. and at me for being old and getting things mixed up. Man I got to cut the number of detectors I have down some or thinking more about what I am going to say before I say it. Bum info and HYPE on machines are my pet peeves. I guess that is the reason I own so many. I just go buy them and check them out myself.
Now to the machine I was thinking about was the MXT. Now I don't have to turn mine down as I can run at max sen. put it to salt mode G/B and put it to lock that way it don't track to the beach wet sand. What I am trying to find out again is can I leave the sen. on the X70 at 28 put machine to beach then go back and hit the G/B button, auto G/B the X70, then just hit the pinpoint/detect button and hunt the wet sand and in the water with the 18.75 DD coil leaving the sen. at 28 without having to turn it down. Yes I sealed the heck out of the coil like I did on my Joey coil and it has already been in the salt/fresh water we have down here. I tried this in the dirt and it worked great. I got weired results when I left the sen. at 28 G/B the machine and then put it in the beach mode. Anyway I am going out and play with it after I take my Sweet, Cute, Strawberry Blond Pat, to lunch today. . I spoil her a lot though and she knows it. That way I get to go whenever I want to and I can buy what ever I want. Ok so I am out of here. It has been raining a lot here so I will have to dodge the rain drops but I got a cover on the X70 so it won't be much of a problem. Later bud and I hope you get that Crutch off soon. Jerry aka Tinfoil

 

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I haven't been able to past a 24 setting in the dry sand here. There must be something, basic, that I am missing. I really like the X-70 and I want to figure it out soon, so I get just go hunting! Thanks for all your help.

Bill, hurry up and get well, we have a great (nice & hot) summer coming, not at all like last year.

Bill (Calif) aka: plugger

 

[Tinfoil]

like I can in the dirt. Not 4" under the sand it is black as tar so it is a real bad beach. OK I am off to feed myself and my Sweetie then to the beach. Later Jerry aka Tinfoil.

 

[Jackpine Savage]

Plugger,

I may be wrong on this, but...if I remember correctly some of those So-Cal beaches are not kind to single frequency detectors. Again I could be wrong but it just seems I have seen that info posted more than once on different forums. For your sake, I hope I am wrong.

Tom

 

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It's just that the 70 is so much fun, I want to give it a try, especially with 5 x 10 18.75 khz coil. It is really sensitive to small stuff, I am hoping to use it in the dry sand and see if I can, finally, find some gold chains. If not, I'll just use my Sovereign like I have for the past 4 years, running up and down the beach from wet to dry and back again, with no problems. Actually, I walk and swing the coil very slowly, just the way the Sovereign likes it. We were made for each other. Heck, I may even buy another coil or two, if Minelab would get their act together! I have the stock 9" 7.5 coil, the 3khz coil and the 5 x 10 DD high frequency coil. I really want a small 7.5khz coil, preferably 5", and maybe, down the road, I may try the new 10" DD 7.5 that they have in Australia. If the 70 doesn't beat my GT, it will become my backup and I will go back to using the GT with a Patriot meter and an S-1 probe in the parks and run it naked at the beach. It is still a fun detector, and, running on just 4 AAs is sweet!

 

[Jackpine Savage]

and use them all. Actually, I haven't had the stock coil on the X-70 for a while now as I have been giving the 3 Khz coil some swing time to see if it has any pluses for me around here. So far, it has done fairly well.

What I would like to see is a couple 7.5 Khz DD coils. The 10" DD. if it makes it to the states, will definitely be added amd like you I would like to see a smaller coil either in a concentric around 6" or a DD.

If you can get that elliptical DD working on the wet sand with the sens above 21 I think you should be good to go on the smaller stuff.

GFTG
Tom

 

[Tinfoil]

The book to me is a little vague on the way you ground balance when it comes to the beach mode. First off I had to forget about running the same sen. at the beach as in the dirt. I could run it at 28 in the dry sand and it would G/B at a 2 to 7 at different spots. Was digging the stuff (small stuff) 10"s and the X70 ran great. Some of the stuff was so small that my Vibraprobe would not even pick it up. BTW ya'll better get used to using that prospect mode for pinpointing the targets cause pinpoint sucks if you are expecting to dig a small hole with that 5x10" DD coil. Your hole is much much smaller if you use the Prospect mode and less of a hassle. Anyway I used Auto when I G/B the X70 each time and did not fool with the manual cause it was not that much difference.
My big beautiful beach is trashed since Hurricane RITA came Thur here. I dug 27 targets in a 2' by 2' area just to get a area I could G/B the X70. It was like this everywhere at the edge of the water. I can imagine what it is out in the lake but I will find out later how bad it is . Is that trashed or what. I Dug everything from small Pisces of iron to small pieces of broken pull tabs corroded this and that, and foil. This 5x10 DD coil is one damn sensitive coil on the beach or anywhere for that matter. . What I found out was the best way to ground balance the machine is you have to g/b it in the beach mode. Put it in the beach mode first hit the detect button then go back and G/B the machine in the Beach mode. Now to the sen. part that I was trying to find out. With it set at 28 sen. it would G/B but was noisy and was falsing to much for me. I don't mind a little but this was too much for me at 28 Sen. So I dropped it down to 20 it got real quite and did not false but I didn't get the depth that I wanted. Was only getting like 6" to 8"s on the small stuff So I started to go up a little at a time. Each time I would G/B the X70 in the beach mode each time I increased the Sen. then hit the detect button swing a few times and would increase the Sen. up one point again. I was able to get up to 25 just 3 below the 28 I was at and the machine was just a tad noisy and false just a very small amount and I think that was just on the up swing. Man was I digging some deep small stuff now and stuff that was on edge. This was no easy thing for me to fugue out and get the right depth on all this small stuff. Finally if it said 8"s I just took my shovel went down 8"s and rolled it out and at the bottom of the pile of sand there was the target. After I got the sen. up to 25 from the 20 I really Begin to dig some deep pull tabs numbers 16,18,20,22, and 24. I am talking some 12"s and some of them on edge. Now I am really impressed and you have to go a long way to impress me. The small stuff down that deep was what really got to me though. Come on diamond earing's. I love the 2,4 6 and 8 numbers deep. One other thing forget using Track at the beach. You really get some weird stuff when you start tracking all that mineralization it will make you . After all this messing around I did call Minelab and they said yes the book was vague but that you must have beach mode energized and then go to detect then go into G/B and G/B the X70 in the Beach mode. It is not preset you must G/B the beach mode. I Did find out one other thing if you G/B twice in the beach mode it even ran a little quieter and the numbers did change a couple of spots usually down. Anyway I found out what I wanted to know. Now all I have to do is get to a real ocean beach not this saltwater inter-coastal stuff. Hope I didn't make anybody and I hoped I cleared up some stuff for some of you guys. Now go Later,now I am a camper. Jerry aka Tinfoil

 

[wpaxt]

The Southern CA beaches can be a tough go for single frequency detectors. I have yet to see anything that will beat either an Explorer or Excal/Sovereign on our beaches. Some folks like pulses (I don't), but in my opinion multi-frequency rules in a saltwater environment, period.

With that being said, the X-Terra's do a very capable job for the type of machines that they are. I know where Jerry is coming from when he mentions the "fun" aspect of the X-Terra's and I love that about them, too. When I finally get off of the disabled list I want to try my 70 in prospecting mode on the dry sand to see how it does on fine gold.

Good hunting to you.

Bill (S. CA)

 

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