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Hey NH Bob Or Any Copper Coin Gurus...Can Anybody ID This???

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Mike (Virginia Beach)

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I was out hunting a farm field today with my Quattro buddy Karl and he found this copper. It's a little bigger than a Large Cent and a tad thicker...I have several LC's and compared it...I think it's a Colonial Copper. I used a little Blue Ribbon coin cleaner to get it to where it is now...it's ROUGH. This is the best I can do...any ideas?

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I could be wrong,I looked it up and the best I can tell it might be a classic head large cent or a coronet large cent.
crowduck
 
Thanks, but I've compared it to the Classic LC and it's larger in diameter that that and the head looks to be too low to be the same as the LC...either of them. I thought sure it was an LC at first but then thought that it was a little larger than one and when I got it home, put it up against the last LC I dug and it's about a 1/8" bigger all the way around than an LC. :shrug:
 
I was looking at the Diameter's of the Large Cents and the Liberty Head (1816-1837) were 28-29mm in Diameter and the later Large Cents (1837 and on) were 27.5mm. Also, the reason that I think this is an Earlier Large Cent is if you look closely at the top of the head, there is indeed a point at the top where the Headband of Liberty is located on these Earlier Large Cents. And also, it appears that just above this is the outline of the right side of a star if you look closely. It looks like a dent or a lower spot on the face of the coin but it sure looks like half of a star to me. I also think this due to how plump the face is on this coin and the hairline in the back towards the bottom is about the same as these Earlier Large Cents. So, I am going to say its a Large Cent from (1816-1836). So give it another good look Mike and see if you can see what I see in the picture. Hope I am right and great find Karl! Good Luck and HH.:thumbup:
 
James, that's very good! I have to agree with you, particularly given your info on the size. I also felt like there was a strong chance I could see (or imagine seeing) the headband, but the size was throwing me. I think you've solved it. That also jibes with the 1834 Naval button I dug there and the 1843 police button Karl got.

Thanks for taking the time to help!
 
It doesn't look like a British Colonial...getting some 'reverse' detail would help a lot.
Here's a trick that may help, since the coin/token wouldn't have any numismatic value...especially since there's no visible detail on the back anyway. // Get the finest steel wool you can (furniture prep. grade), and dip it in olive oil (I suppose another cooking oil would work OK). Gently rub the coin with a circular motion, wiping it dry and checking it every minute or so. Repeat, with some increase in pressure as needed. Believe it or not, I have done this and been able to identify old coppers that were absolutely 'flat' after retrieval and normal cleaning. Be careful doing this to coins with some detail...it can have the opposite effect if overdone! But I think with coins like this, what's there to lose?
 
I also have the knack of helping out my fellow detectorist's on my club when they find coins or other things that are like this or just hard to make out. They think I have Eagle Eyes or something! Congrat's again and Good Luck and HH at that site.:clapping:
 
Looks like one of the French coins, Liard, Ecu or Sou. Too late for me now to look thoroughly this evening, but I am fairly certain it is not a Classichead Large Cent.

Don
 
Well, that's what I was originally thinking too. It's hard to tell but it looks like the chest/breast/neck is too elongated and the facial features too manly, particularly the nose and chin. But on a coin that's this old and worn, things can "migrate" sometimes. Heh...kind of like real people! :lol:

Anyway, maybe the book ISN'T closed on this one yet. Anything you can come up with would be appreciated.
 
after repeated light brushings with a toothbrush with liquid soap...I cleaned up numerous heavily coated IH's this way without damage...JMHO...HH
 
I am not 100% sure either way, what through me off was it looked like the bust went close to the edge of the coin which now appears to be a old scratch.

For identity purposes when coins are toasted, a bit of cleaning the crud off, a tad more sure will not hurt any value,since there most likely is zilch in this case. Diameter, weight if the individual has a scale, in grams for Large Cents, in Grains if for a possible Colonial.

Aluminum foil rubbing, even maybe an eraser, then if all fails to bring out more details, than it is time for a brass brush.

Anyway, attached a photo trying to get the same size, etc of one of my Classic Heads for comparsion.

I will go with the flow on this one, and since I did not find any French coins with the bust like that, will go with the Classichead, but not 100% sure, still...........

Don
 
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