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backacheUK

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It seems mostly the US is pro detecting, While here in the UK the battle continues between government backed archaeologists & their poisones views about detectorists causing private and local council land owners to on the whole to have a negative view of detectorists & so prohibit their use in parks or common land.....Out of frustration & having run out of productive sites I have decided to set a target of Asking permission of 50 landowners, Farmers, ect for permission to detect on their land... I've set the target at 50 to give you guys an idea of not just my pessimism regarding gaining permission. Sore so far = 1 no & I'm awaiting a response from number 2. If n when I get to 50xNO then sadly ill be selling up my stuff
 
In the United States, Federal Government entities such as the US Forest Service have intentionally misinterpreted the Archaeological Resoure and Protection Act to basically make criminals out of metal detector users. Most Federal Lands (Public Lands) are off limits to detecting, or at the very least have restrictions placed on detecting. Most State Parks ban detecting as well.

Over here, there is actually a movement that wants to "preserve" pre-historic and significant historical sites that are privately owned.Though this sounds benign on the outside, the real issue is that an archaeologist could designate a person's private property as a pre-historic site and once that designation is given, the land owner would be forbidden to build, excavate, or even sell that property.

Furthermore, we don't have the laws which you have that actually encourage landowners to grant permission to detectorists, and the system that allows the detectorist and landowner to share in the value of the finds. Though there are isolated cases of Archaeologists grudgingly using volunteer detectorists on certain historical sites, many Archaeologists loathe us, and label us looters, pothunters, and thieves.

Sometimes the pen is mightier than the sword. What about starting a writing campaign across England, pointing out the many significant historical finds that ordinary people have made, and how greatly the Archaeology community--and England herself--have benefitted from the history that people like you have uncovered and brought to light. Point out the benefits that metal detecting clubs and organizations make in preserving England's history. Maybe some of your clubs should use the media to suggest that Britons detectorists actually save more history than the archaeologists do.

And here's something else to consider: Isn't it possible that in the last 10 years or so, detectorists have saved more of England's history than its archaeologists have--and have filled your museums with more artifacts as well? Furthermore, I'd venture that there's more information on the internet available about England's history from metal detector sources than archaeological ones.

When archaeologists uncover artifacts, they write a periodical about the dig, which gets buried deep in a Univeristy Library, a few of the artifacts go on display--briefly--then pretty much all of the artifacts are boxed up and placed in the basement of this university or that museum, where only a select few people are privy to them. Many, many detectorists display their finds for public scrutiny--and post them on the internet as well, and I'd be willing to bet that detectorists are responsible for more artifact specific publications than the archaeologists are.

Don't be depressed. If you are faced with some of that misinformation when you ask permission, kindly and gently tell the landowner what the TRUTH is. Take the opportunity to REALLY educate the public. I think that if all of the detectorists in Engand banded together and publicized this issue, perhaps you might find that you have more allies than you realize.
 
The world on a whole is messed up. The freedoms we once had are going away fast. I don't see things changing. But the history you have is so different from our history that all you have to do is look at your past finds and think how lucky we all are for what we have found with a machine powered by batteries. So if you hunt a new area find all you can and enjoy the labor you put into the hunt. I have learned it is better to have something to show then just to complain. Memories are some of the greatest gifts we have. So if you get one out of fifty that says OK then dig for all of us and don't think about your next dig think about this one and relish it!
 
Thanks guys for your wise words,,It just riles me as said we have the Laws of Treasure Trove on our side Yet the majority of landowners are either uninformed & dont realise they could be sitting on an unearthed valuable historic relic That could make them richer, Or the few bad apples in the hobby "NIGHTHAWKS" as we call them who work undercover by night detecting on known scheduled sited & basicly Looting the area. Have put doubts in their minds backed by the bad press these Nighthawks generate....Anyway on the positive side I spoke to a farmer today not to far away about detecting on his land, Expecting the face change & a NO, But instead a yes even though I have to wait till November When he'll be removing grazing sheep. Then ask again,,But the bloke seemed nice so im taking it as a yes....So if i can just find somewhere else till November I'll be a happy bunny.


HappyHunting
 
Well after getting out and about my luck must have changed as of now I have two sites with detecting permission granted.. I think my past efforts at gaining search permission failed as I used to just ask if they had any land i could search. This gave them the easy option of saying no. So from now on as I just did I'll use GOOGLE EARTH & print off a picture of their land & show them where & Why I want to Search that area,. I think it makes a better impression & shows you are serious & responsible person. Seemed to work for me, also because of the picture I printed he showed me more land I could search That i never realised was his.........
 
Thanks Liz, Now i only have to cuss about not finding much treasure LOL,,,,,crops are showing through now so im on the search for a good site at the mo

By the way nice to see a lady on here, Hope you stick around

Happy Hunting
 
backacheUK said:
So from now on as I just did I'll use GOOGLE EARTH & print off a picture of their land & show them where & Why I want to Search that area,. I think it makes a better impression & shows you are serious & responsible person.
That's a great Idea! I have done the same except used google earth as an over lay on a old topo map or other plot maps to find old home sites or ghost towns,farmers think that is just awesome and have even asked if they can keep it.I have always envied you guy's because of the age of your finds!!! Great job on getting permission :thumbup: hope you find a hoard of gold :beers: Kurt
 
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