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I like the Omega's Build and syling and audio but I am just not

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Keith Southern

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confident with it in the lower conductor ranges. Its the blanking of elongated targets in the less than 49 range on the I.D. for serious digging in nails I loose all confidence in it.Great for coin hunting and high conductors ala the Bullet range penny and higher and round brass but the lower conductors in the iron" in my dirt" I myself believe it leaves stuff in the nail matrix jambalaya. I have proven it to myself.
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But hey its a coin machine more than a relic machine and I I knew that going in but it is a nice detector built real nice and a joy to use and handles ground real well I just dont have the confidence for the type of micro target relic hunting I do.

It may just be me and my dirt but thats my take. every machine is not for everybody.

I do hope the next T-2 incorporates the ergonomics and quite search mode into the higher freq that we need for the low conductor relics.

Have fun with whatever you use

Keith Southern
 
Hey Keith,

I saw that you had your Omega for sale, and was curious why, sorry to hear it didn't work for your hunting. I'm mainly a coin hunter, so hopefully it'll do something better then the rest of the heard as far as finding old coins. I hate to open a can of worms, but how do you feel the Omega and Edge compare ?

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Brian
 
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and it does help you hear them but I don't need to hunt like that when other detectors don't do that to a target.plus its virtually impossible to run all metal when you're in machine gun type iron and its also tiring.

Heres what I see take another detector and hear some targets thats iffy co-located in the nails then take the omega and listen to the same target some times you hear it sometimes you dont if its round you hear it if its not round its hit or miss and in dense iron you cant have a one way hit one time then a noway hit the next sweep there's already too much going on to throw another negative variable into the mix.

Again it only does this on odd shaped targets round targets in the 40's are good to go .I believe the T-2 is a better relic machine since this is a Teknetics forum .And the Omega is a better coin machine for silver and copper especially with the DD coil.

I believe the jewelry hunter looking for chains will suffer also.If you want to hunt chains again this is my opinion the F-75 in Je mode is the hottest I've seen on these targets but way noisy.

But thanks for the tip off on the all-metal scenario.it does help on isolated targets but pretty much mind numbing in the already noisy iron holes.

Thanks

Keith Southern
 
If so, were they one way sometimes hits? Being small, elongated foil range targets with the possiblity of lying at any angle in the ground they are a very "jewelry like".

Thanks

Tom

PS to Dave J: I still think you need to make use of the 5.75" Fisher concentric mold for the new Tek line :poke: If you look at the other manufacturers coils it is one of the most popular (and rightfully so) small coils sizes out there.
 
So you're in the disc mode and over an irregularly shaped foil range target (or a composite reading as such) and you get intermittent audio and ID display. Now when you go to all metal, you now hear the target with all the usual am audio info. My question is, in AM, were you getting a full time numeric display or was it also intermittent like you saw in disc? Hope I'm making sense there.
 
I'm sure it has it's place in the detecting fold..but It would not surprise me if the First Texas T2, and F75 are not the detectors intended for relic hunting.
My bet is this is an intended coin machine.
 
Elton said:
I'm sure it has it's place in the detecting fold..but It would not surprise me if the First Texas T2, and F75 are not the detectors intended for relic hunting.
My bet is this is an intended coin machine.
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On the Omega box, it says it's good for : coin shooting, relic hunting & gold prospecting :confused:
 
and I rarely dug a .22 Hull ? Strange I know because it hits hard on .22 lead but the Hulls maybe 2-3 . Now the shotgun Hulls no problem 55 everytime sound good and solid but the .22 hulls no .
If It didnt do the elongated targets like this I believe it would dig more.I honestly believe its more of a software glitch in the programing that might need to be tweaked .maybe a revision 2.0?Not a big problem but if i want to dig targets in that range I should be able to easily .

Or there might be something going on there to help the odd shaped iron like nails not mask a good co-located target giving it more of a chance to report. I dont know? But I would rather hear it all every swing every hit when hunting iron.



Thanks Tom.


Keith Southern

Might be my ground doing this?
 
when In disc the initial hit I get will lock the I.D.on the less than 50 number then a re-sweep it could be dead but you see the I.D. is still locked on the target alert hit till it finds another target . So in all metal when you check a target and get the hit ( I.D. lock) it pretty much stays there on every sweep thereafter . Is it updating?Hard to say since it locks and holds numbers.This is on isolated targets mind you In dense iron I have not run all metal mode but that would also be detrimental in the way I choose to hunt.

I have always felt I leave stuff in the iron with a tone machine to start with and this little minute problem just causes more of an inadequate feeling.

when I really get down to hunting iron matrix soil I have to go with an analog single tone machine. As fine as digital detectors are they have'nt gotten the audio to replicate what an analog audio target response can do.

I have my favorite I.D. Machines which are few and I know there limits and strengths.

The Omega has strengths its just not going to be my main staple.

Maybe my explanation has made sense ? Maybe not I find it hard sometimes to relate in typing words what I am trying to say.

Thanks
Brad

Keith Southern
 
nf the verses issue but I will say this when you have the 11"DD on the omega you have to put a 5 inch concentric on the Edge to get it to be even close to the target separation.So right there the omega is deeper in the trash than the Edge because of the excellent Biaxial coil.

Which ones deeper in the open areas with the Edge running a 10.5 coil ????You have Both detectors give them a try every Dirt is different I know what I see here.

Hope this helps Some way?

Keith Southern
 
and especially when you qualify your preference and point of reference to that of an analog single tone machine. I'm still not sure if our ground is different or detectors slightly different or a combination of both. Every time I've encountered what you're talking about, I do get semi- repeating hits and ID updates on the target, just not on each and every pass but nonetheless on most of them. As I mentioned before, every time I've dug these types of signals, it's always been a paper thin smaller piece of foil. I have dug a fair number of 22 casings, mostly shorts but I have no way of knowing if I missed any. Obviously, if we had detectors that never missed anything, there'd never be any remaining targets after the first trip to a site and we all know that never happens. When I go over to VA this fall, I'll be using some combination of the Omega and F-75/T-2. That should be a great place to look into this characteristic a little deeper.
 
Thanks for the feedback Keith.

I recently bought both the ID Edge and the Omega with these factors in mind but don't have enough time on either machine for the most part yet to determine if this criteria is met or not:

o Good target separation in trash
o Less impacted by EMI then other machines I've used such as the C$, F70, etc. (I do find the Omega is superior in EMI to previously used machines thus far)
o Depth close or equal to F70/75, Explorer, C$, CZ, etc
o Excellent iron hunter for bed of nail types of scenarios
o More stable (less jumpy) TID then other recent FT TID machines
o Better then average ability to unmask "good" targets in trash

Ultimately I need a machine capable of picking coins and jewelery out of a bed of nails environment. I believe the Edge can do a good job at this based on reading all the previous Findmall Edge threads, but also thought from recent posts here and elsewhere that the Omega might be a good contender as well.

If I understand the issue Keith's seeing on the Omega, a gold stick pin would probably not get picked up, yet a small gold ring of the same TID would? I'm just trying to envision what kind of elongated targets would fall in the 40-49 range to determine if it's a potential issue to be aware of with the type of hunting I'd like to use it for (aside from the usual turf hunting).

Thanks,
Brian
 
Necklaces,Bracelets, ear rings and such that may be some problems a jewelry hunter might want to be made aware of coin hunters I would say you're fine especially on the silver.

On thing That has me puzzled is the elongated type iron targets. when the detector is silent on these targets (one way Hits) does it also blank a co-located target.

say a coin laying next to the iron thats is hitting one way will it signal on this coin that is in the blanking spot of the target?How do we know ?Airtest and in ground are two different things. I cant hardly get the omega to blank in the air but it does it in the ground quite often?

I would like to see an explanation of why this phenomenon is happening it might be of value?or it might be a solvable problem if it is a problem?

the question is when a target does this is it a handicap or a aid?

Keith Southern
 
I wonder at what price I am going to draw the line on purchasing a new detector.. I will say this, half way between $1,000 and $2,000 is getting mighty close to my personal limit..
 
I just cant hardly bring myself to swing $1500.00 around in the woods when I have $300.00 detectors that will out do them in my hunting scenario's.

Keith Southern
 
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