I need suggestions for a trashy mess!

[Jeff in Pa]

I have Andy's book and have read thru it but I am wounding what you guys suggest? I am talking about pieces of aluminum siding and nails along with a lot of iron mixed in.

I think the search engine for this site is down right so I figured I would ask.

BTW I have the 9" coil.

Thanks!

 

[squirrel1]

Deus fast and use notch say notch everything from 0-78. Hunt away.

 

[beepsilver]

I agree with squirrel1. Flat pieces of aluminum siding sounds real good to the Deus; unless you know the exact VDI range to notch out, it's probably best to notch it all the way up to copper depending on which frequency you'll be using. If there's loads of that siding and it gives you penny, dime and/or quarter signals, you may be SOL unless you dig it all. If the siding is sporadic and you're dealing more with trash and nails, then IMO squirrel1's advice is how I'd approach it. Hopefully good targets aren't out of range with reactivity 3 because that's what I'd use. I wish I could give you a golden solution, but I'd be stumped in the type of environment you describe. Good luck and let us know how you do Jeff.

 

[squirrel1]

Let's say you dig a few 83 signals and they come up aluminum, you can always run your notch up some more. Probably best to sweep the site some with no notch and see what the majority of the higher signals are reading. Then set your notch. I wouldn't expect one to see more of a carpet of coins say vs seeing all the aluminum you've stated is in the site. And I know you don't want to hear this, but digging some of the aluminum may actually unmask a few coins. If it's one of those sites you and you only hunt over time you may thin the aluminum down a great deal; hence maybe pull more keepers. Sometimes in "metal detecting land" things are not always that simple or easy.. I wish you luck.

 

[Feingold]

I would try deus fast with fulltones. Diskrim. depending on Freqence at 45 to 55.

 

[Mega]

In a normal situation of a trashy site with iron,lots of aluminium and nails one would normally go for a much smaller coil to be able to get in between the trash,but the Deus does not have that luxury as the minimum coil size is 9''.So possibly the only way is to use either Basic1 or Deus Fast and keep the discrimination at the stock levels and try and do the site methodically using the tones rather than screen watching.

If you have another detector which will allow you to use a much smaller coil then that route would be much better,on my trashy sites i only use about 6'' coil at best to get in between the trash.

Not alot else i can suggest really,as yet XP have not produced a smaller coil for these type of hunting needs,gut feeling tells me its because the coil being so small may not be big enough to take the battery and the data links and all the other possible electronics on a standard Deus coil.Of course i could be wrong on that assumption.

 

[Low-Boy/LCPM]

I use the racer for that type of hunting till we see if the deus is going to add a smaller coil..but I would turn my sens down to about 50-59 TX power to 1 recovery up to about 3-4 swing fast and I might even trun my disc up to about 23....not going for depth are you...

 

[Jeff in Pa]

I am in heavy trash so depth is not a concern, if I can reach down 6" I will be tickled. I think Deus fast is what I will try.

Thanks

 

[Mega]

I am in heavy trash so depth is not a concern, if I can reach down 6" I will be tickled. I think Deus fast is what I will try.

Thanks

If the ground is really heavy trash as you have suggested i dont honestly think the Deus is the best machine for the job,the only way is a much smaller coil,but that is of course if you have access to another detector,i still think the 9'' Deus coil is way over big for your detecting situation and you may get it running slightly better with some software/setting alterations but even the Deus magic box of tricks wont alter the fact that a smaller coil will always win the day on such trashy sites.

Of course setting changes will help a little but certainly wont eradicate the problem totally,good luck with it and keep us updated.

 

[mudpuppy]

Forgive me for stepping in here...I do not have a Deus, but I hunt a lot of trash with an 11"dd coil on my main dirt stick (F70)...I know the Deus is a unique machine, one I've looked hard at for its speed etc...I'd like to think mine has similar very fast attributes though, so I will offer this:

Drop sens, and manipulate the coil in a non-traditional pattern..by that I mean, instead of side to side, a fast vertical pumping kind of action, like a drummer...it seems to throw the electrical field straight down so a guy can get on good targets hidden in heavy trash. With a side to side sweep, and too hot a sens, its reading and trying to process everything, those big aluminum shards stand out and erase any good ones....especially if theres multiple targets under the coil...a fast vertical pump isolates those interesting tones, exactly like the coil diagrams show of their field of vision...drop sens and try the fast 'coil hop' over an interesting ping...also, you cant watch a screen for TIDS,, you gotta go by sound in heavy trash....full tones...

I came across this method accidentally, hunting the same kind of areas you mentioned, on account of I only have an 11"dd and no hand held pinpointer....I do not think the traditional side to side sweep with a hot sens can work effectively in heavy trash, everything washes in and averages together, so maybe an alternative coil manipulation technique? At least for me it does, and I think the Deus is fast enough to offer you Deeboys this advantage ......I'd like to see if you can duplicate what I'm writing about...I hope you can!...A real fast coil tap over a target, are you getting a good solid ping? I bet you do!
Mud

 

[Low-Boy/LCPM]

I will try that thanks

 

[BerntOut]

Drop sens, and manipulate the coil in a non-traditional pattern..by that I mean, instead of side to side, a fast vertical pumping kind of action, like a drummer...it seems to throw the electrical field straight down so a guy can get on good targets hidden in heavy trash. With a side to side sweep, and too hot a sens, its reading and trying to process everything, those big aluminum shards stand out and erase any good ones....especially if theres multiple targets under the coil...a fast vertical pump isolates those interesting tones, exactly like the coil diagrams show of their field of vision...drop sens and try the fast 'coil hop' over an interesting ping...also, you cant watch a screen for TIDS,, you gotta go by sound in heavy trash....full tones...

Interesting. I wonder if pumping the coil might disc out targets??? I too am going to try it with a borrowed 9" coil.

 

[mudpuppy]

I dont know if it will work with a concentric coil, it sure does with the DD...I guess you could test it out in the yard or your test garden to be sure? I use it to pinpoint too, I dont use the PP button on the rig at all anymore...I just briskly hop that coil until the tone is crisp and clean, then I know the target is directly under the sweet spot...I have noticed that 'good sounding junk' like a flattened crown cap will wash out to scrap, whereas a Q it is mimicking will stay a nice and tight silver ping! I'm curious if the Deus can do this with the concentric, or if its a DD coil thing?
Mud

 

[beepsilver]

I dont know if it will work with a concentric coil, it sure does with the DD...I guess you could test it out in the yard or your test garden to be sure? I use it to pinpoint too, I dont use the PP button on the rig at all anymore...I just briskly hop that coil until the tone is crisp and clean, then I know the target is directly under the sweet spot...I have noticed that 'good sounding junk' like a flattened crown cap will wash out to scrap, whereas a Q it is mimicking will stay a nice and tight silver ping! I'm curious if the Deus can do this with the concentric, or if its a DD coil thing?
Mud

If I'm not mistaken, all the coils for the Deus are DD. I'll have to try this out. How does it pinpoint targets on edge?

 

[mudpuppy]

I knock the hell out of targets on edge and multidenom tight spills doing this!....I just got back from hunting under some bleachers this morning that are full of foil and tabs and various iron....I set a mid sens, sort of gently and steadily high fly the coil through the chattering mess, I bet I have the coil 4" off the deck... running full tones and 1 disc...if I hear any kind of different sounding peep....thats when I briskly start to hop the coil verticle...seems the very center of it acts like a golf ball sized sniper coil and isolates the desired target... I figure the Deus with its super fast recovery circuit, would Kill employed in this fashion!...But I dont know for sure....

On the dirt, same thing, a guy can tell whats down there when he hops coil on a deeper target, and right where it is within a golfball sized profile...so a fellow can cut a very small plug if needed, the size of a hockey puck, or a slit in the sod works too...then stab down in there with a screwdriver to locate the target..try it in the test garden, if it works on the Deus, and anyone can do a vid, it would sure be helpful to your group here I think...it sure maximizes a speedy rigs strengths instead of dinking around trying to reacquire a target in heavy trash...

Heres a shot from last December when I got into a place just loaded with coins and as you can imagine, trash...like I said, hopping coil vertical weeds out the crown caps and what not, and puts a guy on target very quickly so a guy can do more digging and less thinking or pinpointing or sweeping......you can see these are not surface drops at all...I was traveling on business, I always carry my gear, and pulled off the Interstate to take a break and found this park to hunt a bit and relax...I thought I died and was in Heaven!...so the Deus, as fast as it is, should be able to do this coil hop style?...again, you dont ever need a pinpointer or use the PP function on your rig ever again, and you can really hunt heavy trash most people avoid, and better yet, get the goods out of it in a gosh darn hurry!!
Mud

 

[beepsilver]

Thanks Mud! I will definitely give this a try on my next outing--that was some haul for you back in December! The coup de grâce on this post is the "Mudd" item!

 

[CZconnoisseur]

I have the perfect place to try the "coil hopping" method on some deeper targets - will be reporting back after the next hunt!

 

[beepsilver]

I have the perfect place to try the "coil hopping" method on some deeper targets - will be reporting back after the next hunt!

Please please please record it with the Pivotheads CZ--and crane your neck down so we don't miss any of it!

 

[mudpuppy]

No kidding, right Beep? A guy never has to dig trash again, unless its an interesting and unusual signal a fellow gets curious about...I wish I had the capability of doing a vid of this...you would not believe how fast a guy can fly through an area and pull all the goods and leave the trash behind! A real quick yet gentle tap, like a drummer...or jigging a small bait through the ice for 'gills...works real well for deep targets that are right at the edge of the detectors set up range.....this is the only reason I have not bought a Deus, on account of I dont know if it operates the same as the rig I have now...I know its damn fast, has target separation above par, and thats what I like, seeings how all the easy silver is gone and I am hunting for masked coins or multidenom tight spills..and gold of course....

You Deeboy guys got a super fast light rig, so I'm thinking, if a fellow ever gets a chance to sweep virgin ground, but does not have alot of time, this may help you really plunder it for Old Glory! You gotta be fast with a fast horse working for you! Or else, just get a minelab and diddle along like an old slow putz and be happy to cover a 10'x10' area in an hour for a penny or two!!
Mud

 

[beepsilver]

Mud, you've got me very curious--can't wait to get out and try it as you describe