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markg

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Notice a very important attribute of my newly updated F75 LTD.

air test:

All prior owned F75 had basically the same ID number scheme.
Both clad and silver dimes read almost exactly the same
Both clad quarters and silver quarters did the same.

Now for the newly updated LTD.

Clad dime 70-71 silver dime 73-76

Clad quarter 80-81 silver quarter 84-87

The comparisons also go for the clad and silver halves.

This is a fantastic difference.

I might note in my test garden I have a very small copper rivet the size of a pencil eraser end, buried at 7" deep, (well it was 7" deep several years ago".
My machine, with stock 11" DD coil can easily detect and give a good audio report on this tiny target in boost mode, sensitivity 0, discrimination 0.
With DST enabled or not it still responds to this small target.
 
How has the depth meter improved. Most of my F75 T2 machines tended to read 5" deep on most targets.
 
I have also noticed a change in the numbers after upgrade, even on copper pennies, not the newer zinc pennies. Wheat pennies I find while hunting are coming in at the high 60's while the later copper pennies are running close to clad dimes.

Good to hear this from others, I kind of thought it was just my machine.

Ron in WV
 
Elton said:
How has the depth meter improved. Most of my F75 T2 machines tended to read 5" deep on most targets.

Before upgrade my machine was off by about double, a 5" coin would read 10". They didn't do anything to improve this on the first send for upgrade, but I had send it back to get the back light hooked back up and I ask them if they could do something with the depth reading. It is better but still reads off by a couple of inches, now a 5" coin reads about 7", it's okay with me as long as I know what to expect. If I really need to know how deep it is I call my brother over with his F5 and it nails it every time.

Ron in WV
 
My depth meter will read a coin from 1" up and over all is much more accurate............if one gets a good pin point. On deeper coins, say 7" on the meter, it does report them a inch or so deeper then they actually are. In the ground, coins on mine report a couple of numbers higher then what Mark's air test numbers show. But, there is a difference between cents and clad dimes, for sure. HH jim tn
 
Elton said:
How has the depth meter improved. Most of my F75 T2 machines tended to read 5" deep on most targets.

I'm surprised by this. Does anybody know if the F70 behaves in the same way. In other words is the depth meter more accurate ?
 
My F70 with the 11" DD coil usually pinpoints coin depth an inch deeper than the coin is, even when my coil is in the surface of the ground. If it pinpoints at 5" the coin will be 4" down in the plug; if it pinpoints at 2" the coin will be about an inch down, etc. I think it may be a little different for each individual unit, or maybe the soil composition even plays a part in it. Come to think of it my F75 LTD2 does the same thing, so perhaps it is soil related at times--or maybe it's even the type of coil (I don't have a concentric).
 
My F70 seemed to be pretty accurate on ID's in Kansas great soil no matter what the depth except for really deep beaver tail tabs at 8" or more which usually came in around dimes.
As far as depth info there on coin and ring size objects it was pretty darn accurate even on every deep one I ever dug.

Here in my southern mineralized iron infused dirt shallow coins and other things are ID's pretty good at 1-2"...maybe 3"...at 4" the numbers start rising pretty good and at the 5-8" depth level they start jumping really good and also soar into the high 80's to low 90's on all coins except for a silver dollar I found which pegged the meter at 98-99.
I assume this is a function of the programming which on the Fishers usually up average all targets around iron and my soil is loaded with all kinds of that.
All of this is actually fine because I use this odd behavior to target good targets deep around here and more often than not it usually works.

Now as far as the depth meter on really shallow objects like on those that are on the surface or just below I might get a one on the depth screen numbers.
On all other targets up to 3" I get 3" every time even if it is a little less than that.
I don't recall seeing a 2 on the screen once since I returned here back in July of last year.

The really strange thing is on all other depths at 4" up to about as far as I can get to which is 8" in this devil dirt that depth meter becomes very accurate...I mean deadly right on accurate.
I have been shocked several times digging down deep and finding a great and old coin or piece of silver jewelry at exactly the depth number the F70 said it was.
Even the 6-7-8" area if you could see how bad this dirt is and know how much iron is mixed into my dirt plus the huge amount of iron objects at all levels in the sites I hunt this accuracy is bewildering and mind boggling.

Can't tell you why this is but I just thank my lucky stars it does this because digging deep in this rocky, clay filled garbage is so hard to do in dry conditions it would be a real drag to put out all that effort and have nothing to show for it.
 
My depth meter is also off on the positive side. Actual in ground depth of a coin might be 5" and the detector will indicate 7". This happens very often. Now if there is a lot of iron in the area there is a greater spread between actual depth and meter reading. The most profound thing was the difference between clad and silver ID numbers, I really like that.
 
My F70, now two years old

Clad Penny 57 to 67 depending on depth -- a lot of the newer pennies sound off at 57
Copper Penny 68-71 sound off like dimes
Clad Dime 67-68
Nickles 28-33 depending on depth
Sliver Dime 69-71
Clad Quarter 81-83
Silver Quarter 87-90
Clad Half 87-90
Silver Half 87-90 @ 8" I found two of these both at *'8 each two weeks apart and they read a steady 87, like a rusty steel bottle cap. So, I have never found any walking halves before or since
Clad Dollar 99 solid -- I have yet to find a silver dollar. This Clad was only 1" under -- almost did not dig it cause this is the same reading I get for large chunks of trash
Old rusty bottle cap buried 1-4" -- 87
Shiny new bottle cap on surface -- 87
Aluminum soda can or beer can buried 6" or more -- 10-11" even -- reads like a silver dime. Who is burying aluminum beer cans? Under age people out on the park after hours !!!!
Aluminum tabs 26
Aluminum slaw 24-31

Even with TAB disc out I get hits on them -- I avoid most bottle caps by a fast swing rate -- in fact the Fisher F70 likes a fast movement and read really well as opposed to a slow easy swing rate. In fact, you can actually move slow enough that it will not read a target. Try it, take a coin and move it slowly about 3" from the face of your coil. Now try to move the coin as fast as you can and you will see. The Fisher return signal and readout is fast, really fast and it like it faster. In this fast swing method most bottle caps get phased out but if one reads and you slow down to concentrate on the signal it will start reading like a strong Quarter -- A real Quarter, on the other hand will read -- sound off loud and clear at both fast and moderate swing speeds. Still, when it sends a signal to your ears it is up to you to dig or not. This has been my experience with my particular F70 with the DD 11" coil and the smaller Nel Sharp shooter.


The readings I have just listed are consistent on my F70. -- On the depth meter I have found that anything within 3" of the coil will read a 3" depth -- no one in a park with grass is running their coil flat on the ground. So, if I am swinging 2" over the dirt and get a 3" reading then the target is somewhere from the bottom of my coil to the target up to 3" into the dirt. If I get a reading of 3" and the target is not there then it is most like a Pipe, drainage, or otherwise maybe up to 12" or more down. So, if your F70 says 3" it means within that range or it is something much deeper. If, however, it reads 10" within the desired target ID range then you had better dig it. When the F70 is reading beyond the 3" range it is spot on in depth. But again, if you dig to the depth it reads and find nothing it is most likely something much much deeper, like an old car body -- ha, ha. Now I know why relic hunters carry shovels.
I have more than paid for all of my equipment (couple of times over) these last two years. I have turned up some 40 rings of value -- four of which are gold, and another 30+ rings of little or no value, like kids rings. In case any tax guys are listening in -- this does not take into account the miles driven, the gas and other incidentals like my occasion cigar -- Keeps the mosquitoes away -- and the Star Bucks coffee to wake up for the morning hunt. I figure all totaled it is about even. But I enjoy those cool mornings as the sun comes up and I see the geese flying over and the pit bull racing across the ball field, straight for me -- great hobby and I love it. Peace and I hope this little blurb helps or increases the knowledge of any newbe out there -- I was you once, wet behind the ears cause my headphones made me sweat so -- now get out there and work, work, work, and stop digging such big holes, leave the shovel at home, with the F70-75 you should be able to pinpoint your target within an 1" or 2 and with a pin pointer you are done, if you are digging those hug holes like we see some are doing on You Tube then you have the wrong machine, period. Peace Dan
 
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