I love my 8500 defiantly a step up from my delta 4000 and Garrett 350. Sounds like a few of you got a bad patch. I bought mine for $300 from local guy on Craigslist. He said he bought it for his son but he never really got into it. It is dead on with Coins. Most of my finds have been silver. Barber dime, Rossie, few quarters. I had been over the same area many times with the delta and Garrett 350. Best find with the Garrett was Indian head and of course few dollars in clad. The 4000 was a great coin shooter found wheaties and clad, stealing silver ring and prayer charm. But I have really enjoyed the 8500, learning it is the key. Like anything I have read on most detectors that get in the $500 and up price younMUST spend a lot of time with your detector if your going to get the most out of it. When it said silver it has been right on! When it said quarter it on! Wheaties, copper, today's penny's ID 77 every time! I found a 1918 WWI Army Button this past Memorial Day weekend. Most of the finds just mentioned was found in notching out or discriminating everything 72 and under.. I have been on a silver kick lately. But one feature I really like is the ability to switch from the Notch mode to AM mode to really zero in on the possible find and clarify what is in the ground. The EMI has been great. Better than delta and Garrett 350. I have been trying a little more on the relic side with. The 8500 but still needing more hours to really judge it correctly. Yes sound is a little different for the older Generation I'm a newbie just been at it for 2 yrs and the tones don't really bother me I'm learning them. The Garrett tones I think may be easier on some ears. But I have noticed the style of headphones can make a big difference on all four of my detectors. My first detector was a Lone Star Bounty. On the 8500 I do use the Manuel GB a lot , I'like that ability. I'm using the 10" ecliptic coil that came with it. I've been wondering if the 11" DD or 5" would make that much of a difference? Really like the backlight! red is actually better on your night vision and eye strain, Especially great when viewing stars at night through my large telescope. I have ran the 8500 at 75 up to 90 in most places, sure I have to back it down sometimes but overall I have had NO trouble with it. My boys have ran the delta/ Garrett close by with no problems. I have the 3 Frequency choices pluse two of the depth settings have HZ filters. One 50hz the other at 60hz. One thing I haven't really tried yet is the variable Tone settings, you can set each iron low and nickel little higher silver higher etc. You still get the Iron sound at a low volume in the background. This will be I believe a great feature once I get more time in on the 8500. I think overall the 8500 has gotten a bad rap from different post I have read, maybe there was some bad production at first not sure but I'm really enjoying mine and look forward to some more great finds! Hope this helps someone to give the 8500 another chance or atlest for the money, agree that you get a lot of detector, bells and whistles, etc. I would like to get enough money to try out a FBS detector minelab etc. But may go the route of AT Pro just for the waterproof and up my Frequecy range. Omega 8500 7.8khz , AT Pro 15.8khz. I've been reasearching the Frequency question and if it really matters. Wow is that topic! A lot of opinions out there but overall really depends on what your looking for in the ground and what your willing to give up Depth, sensitivity, gain, etc. I mean why do you have 5, 7, or even 10 different metal detectors? For those who have been at this for a while. Like to hear your thoughts on that one. It May help me to justify another purchase or lest talk to my wife effectively! LOL!