Is the new 11" coil on the Deus now just as deep as say the E-Trac??? :look:

[falconman515]

So I have read tons and tons or post on the Deus and most say it is amazing and Easily comparable with the likes of the E-Trac or CTX .... but most say lacks the depth that say the E-Trac can get etc. (still Very Very close but not as much)

But I wondered well okay ... the E-Trac has an 11" coil vs. the Dues with the 9" coil (most all of the post are from before the 11" was ever released).

But Now the Deus can come with an 11" DD coil to match that of the E-Tracs / CTX ..... so now that the coils are the same size is the depth now on par with the E-Trac and other comparable units like the CTX3030 etc? (mostly concerned about the E-Trac as that is the only other one I would consider .. the CTX is WAY to much money then I will spend starting out)

And also I would assume that the 11" coil on the XP helps better with identifying ID #'s better on deeper targets as I read the XP in not as good at telling you visually what things are when they are deep and the numbers are a bit more all over the place.

Thanks so much ... just trying to get as much info as I can on this thing and decide if the E-Trac or Deus is best suited for me (so far the Deus is the clear cut winner for me on most everything but just wanting to learn more).

 

[bik-il]

It's tough sometimes, ain't it?
Part of what you are experiencing is due to framing your decision as a right/wrong proposition.
Everyone does it. We are afraid of missing something, in every sense of the word.
You seem to be partial to the Deus. My advice is to get both machines in your hands at a local dealer or club. Play around with them. If you are still undecided, try finding a used one still under warranty. If you don't like it or it doesn't meet your expectations, you won't lose much on a trade or resale. If you end up being crazy about the hobby as most of us are, the reality is there's a strong likelihood you're going to end up with more than one machine anyway, rent money be damned.
Not to make things harder for you, but I have a Deus and there are times I long for the familiarity of the Etrac I sold.
You will do well with either machine though, that's for sure.
Cheers

 

[falconman515]

I wish I could but I don't have a local dealer that carries them close .... closest metal detecting dealer with both is Sacramento and that's hours and hours away from me .... hell gas at $4.35 a gallon would cost me as much as the detector in my 12mpg truck to get there and back! LOL

I would love to have the chance to test run or even hold and play with these if possible but it's not an option unfortunately so I need to research and read and ask questions to try and decide where my thousand plus dollars is best spent.

Yes you are right in the fact I am somewhat partial to the Deus I think for the the reasons "Other" then the detecting alone like ........................

* Weight - I have a bad back and knowing the E-Trac from what I read is a boat anchor compared to most all other detectors worries me ... I like knowing I can go longer without fatigue and it will hurt my back less.
* Wireless - That is just awesome to have ... I have been looking at a wireless headphones set-up and have it saved to my Amazon cart if I bought the E-Trac and that would be and added $150 if I went that route as opposed to the Deus where it's already done with Zero lag etc.
* Future Proof - Now how cool is it to know that in the near future we could see a 4.0 software version from Deus!?!?! ... that cannot be done with any other detector (once it's released that's it forever until and entirely whole new machine is released) ... being able to re-write software like a smart phone or tablet and update the remote / headphone unit is amazing ... you will never not have the latest and greatest advances with this thing due to that and being I am a very very techy guy I like that amazing feature ... adn who wants an obsolete machine within a couple years ... this won't be that way.
* Speed - I myself know I am not a slow moving detector guy ... heck with me having a bad back and where the damage is located it is worse on my back to actually move slow ... walking faster, swinging faster, etc. is actually easier on my back and I think overall and advantage cause who wants to move around so slow to make sure you are not missing anything ... I would think that would make detecting less enjoyable and you end covering less ground at the end of the day ... BUT on the other hand the Minelabs seem to need to move slow so the FBS can capture everything and in turn give you better depth and better ID'ing at further depths then the Deus.

Guess this goes back to the give and take of each unit and the fact that there is no "perfect" metal detector .... each has it;s own advantage or disadvantage over the other I guess.

BUT ... back to my original question ... I hate to lose depth ... I know maybe the ID'ing is not as good on those deep deep targets on the Deus over the ML but I want to know I could at least hear them .... And I have read many places it lacks the max depth that the E-Trac / CTX provides .... BUT this is guys who are comparing the units side by side to the ML's with the 11" DD coil against the Deus with the 9" DD coil.

I would assume now the Deus has the same 11" DD coil that the depth is basically even really!

Just wanted to somewhat confirm depth has been added with the 11" coil over the original 9" coil .... I'm sure it does ... if it doesn't then what would be the point ... but I have not read anywhere really about someone saying that they noticed a couple inches better depth with the 11" coil over their older 9" in real world results or if nothing else in your test gardens etc. etc.

I have been just wanting to learn as much as I can about these units side by side cause though the price range is way more then I wanted to pay I want something I know is a beast from the get go and not start with something I am not confident in and keep thinking I am missing something cause I do not have a high end machine ... just the way I roll I guess ... I like having the best overall, makes me more confident and makes want to become one with the units more .... why swing a machine that will miss deep targets cause you wanted to save a few bucks is what I think.

My final decision is the XP Deus or the E-Trac and for the all the reasons above and the fact that this thing does JUST as good as the E-Trac or even the CTX really is why it's worth paying the extra few hundred bucks for me over the E-Trac to get the Deus.

Just wanting to make sure it is just as good really in all aspects really (give or take something small here and there) ... I know they are close in all areas and one is better then another in certain situations but I just want to know all of this before dropping Tons of my hard earned money you know!

Thanks so much for all the feedback and help guys!

 

[diggindowndeep]

bik-il, This was some very sound & well put advice. Leaving & missing the familiarity of the E-trac for the Deus, was a spot on observation. imho

falconman515 It's a very difficult choice to have to make if you only have one detector that you can buy & own from the bunch. It sucks having to put all of your eggs into one basket. Having just made this same choice, I know about this scenario first hand. I live in a very rural area as well & I make most of my purchases sight unseen. These decisions are normally made after a ton of research(sometimes too much). Once I start to find myself over thinking things, that's when it's time for me to make a choice & run with it.

Because there are no "slam dunks" from within this detector lineup today, some compromises must & will be made. There's no way to get around it(unless you're rich, that is).

Just make what you feel is the best choice from what's available & that's within your budget's wheelhouse. After this choice is made, just be patient & learn what the detector is trying to tell you & be happy/have some fun with your choice. There are no right or wrong choices here, there are only choices.

GL & HH!
JT

 

[DukeOBass]

I've used both the Etrac and CTX. The Deus is new to me. I only have a few hunts on it. By the time the weather was good enough to detect, I had the 11" coil. I've been using it exclusively so can't fairly compare the 11 with the 9.

I can tell you that I am happy with the depth of the 11" coil. I feel that it is getting the same depth as than Etrac. I can will say that it seems to give a "more solid hit" signaling a convincing "dig me" on deeper targets than my Etrac did. It has the capability of more setting adjustments than the Etrac does so it can seem to be more complicated, to some, than the Etrac. Once you look at the factory programs, you'll notice that there really aren't too many differences from one to the other.

I, too, like the fact that the firmware is upgradable. Once you buy an Etrac, the firmware is what it is. I personally feel that it will be a long time before the Deus would become obsolete.

I have heard of people going back to what they have been accustomed to after only having the Deus for a short period of time. I believe they were overwhelmed and perceived it to be more complicated than it really is. After only using MineLab machines, the Deus is a different and unfamiliar animal to but, in a few hunt, I feel like I am really getting a good handle on it. The machine does squeak and sqwauk a lot until you understand what to adjust to get it under control. That's probably one of the big things that drive people back to their old manufacturers. I have found more silver earlier in the season using the Deus than I did with my MineLab machines. I am well ahead this year!

 

[Southwind]

Personally I have never found any detector to be complicated to operate. Some take less adjusting to get great performance than others. I liked the the weight of the Deus and menu system but in the end it came down to tones. Of course with the 9" coil the Deus had better target separation that is how it works. The cost was not quite the depth of the E-Trac with the 11" coil. Th Deus with the 11" coil is every bit as deep as the E-Trac but for me it seemed a bit tougher to hear when I should look at the meter. The E-Trac just has a tone that tells you to stop and take a closer look whereas with the Deus most sounded the same. I'm sure it has to do with the time spent. With time I'm sure I could have adapted to the Deus, but the E-Trac I already had 5 years with and seemed more natural. If I felt I had a lot to gain by spending the time to master another detector I would have stayed with the Deus and sold my E-Trac.

 

[DukeOBass]

I too like the sounds of the Etrac but using the 4 or 5 tone settings on the Deus helps over the multi-tone which we are used to with Etrac. I like having the ability to use fewer tones in order to quickly being able to discern a "dig me" signal. I personally feel like multi-tone "tires" and overloads my auditory capacity quickly so that I can't hunt as long. Using a few tones vs multi and having the ability to adjust what Target IDs the tones are assigned are one of the only things I liked about the CTX and these carry over to the Deus. I still think that the Etrac is the best coin hunting machine MineLab makes. If they speed it up, give it a more easily readable screen, an inline probe, a fast charging lithium battery and the programmable sound bins of the CTX, it would be a killer machine.

 

[falconman515]

I still think that the Etrac is the best coin hunting machine MineLab makes.

That's the quote that gets me every single time .... I will be coin shooting 99% of the time .... and I hear nothing but this being said.

But so many factors like the one I stated above make me want to go with the Deus cause I think overall it's going to find 95% of what the E-Trac will find in coins but it's that extra 5% that makes me wonder you know.

But I am just not sure about the Minelab and the weight, the slowness etc. etc. ..... It may be to much for me to handle you know.

Oh well once I save the extra few bucks and I'm ready to pull the trigger I will JUST DO IT and hope I make the right choice.

 

[Hobo lobo]

The E TREC may?be the deepest silver detector and has a good tdi but imo its heavy and slow and not even close to the best in trash or for gold. I gave mine up because I couldn't handle the weight any more. JMO

 

[samandnoah]

Hey falconman515--

I think you were focusing on the wrong quote in what DukeOBass wrote! You quoted that it's best coin machine ML makes. But read the following quote again:

I have found more silver earlier in the season using the Deus than I did with my MineLab machines. I am well ahead this year!

I think that's a pretty compelling testimonial from someone who has worked with both. Sure sounds like he's having more success with the XP Deus than he did with the Etrac. Good luck with whatever you choose!

Rich

 

[Hobo lobo]

I don't know if the E trec is the deepest or not that's why I said " It MAY be the deepest". I do think that overall, more silver and other goodies will be found with the Deus because of it versatility

 

[falconman515]

Hey falconman515--

I think you were focusing on the wrong quote in what DukeOBass wrote! You quoted that it's best coin machine ML makes. But read the following quote again:

I have found more silver earlier in the season using the Deus than I did with my MineLab machines. I am well ahead this year!

I think that's a pretty compelling testimonial from someone who has worked with both. Sure sounds like he's having more success with the XP Deus than he did with the Etrac. Good luck with whatever you choose!

Rich

Yep you are right ... I did not put that together.

I just hear in SO many forum threads that the E-Trac is an absolute Beast on Cilver and coins .... BUT thats not to say the Deus like he ad also doesn't do good if not better due to other factors like better discrimination ad faster speeds and seeing more through the junk possibly.

Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[Silver Simon]

It's true, the E-Trac does coinshoot like a well trained sniper, but only if the conditions are right. In my short time with my Deus, I've hunted 2 small yards that my E-Trac had been over and over and over, yet my Deus has pulled out 1800's coinage from both of those yards. It doesn't take much iron for the slow E-Trac to null over a good target.

 

[jspeedy]

The E-Trac is a silver hound but it can not sift through trash like the Deus. I tried a friends mid 1800s house just yesterday with my Deus, his house I've hunted over and over with an E-trac and CTX. I did get some goodies with the E and CTX but not much from a house of that age. So, the Deus, I could not believe how many good signals I was hearing through the iron. After 4 hours it was quiting time (dinner) though I was wasn't fatigued and I had a bunch of coins and artifacts. Anyhow, I'll be selling the CTX bc it is not what I'm looking for in a machine. The Deus stays.

 

[Southwind]

It doesn't take much iron for the slow E-Trac to null over a good target.

Not just the E-Trac.

This weekend I took my AT Pro out to my test garden with the 8x5 coil and found a buffalo nickle not more than 10" from one of my test garden coins. All my test garden targets are clad. I have waved every detector in my list over that coin and not a one hit it good enough to catch my attention until Saturday. Blew my mind! My test garden is 5 years old.

 

[Southwind]

Nice video, but! Why is it they always find the coins with the E-Trac first then show that the other detector can also find it?

Personally I've always thought of these "look how fast my detector can hit targets" as little more than a carnival show. out those coins in the ground with trash all around, like the real world, and see how fast works.

 

[Hobo lobo]

Nice video, but! Why is it they always find the coins with the E-Trac first then show that the other detector can also find it?

Personally I've always thought of these "look how fast my detector can hit targets" as little more than a carnival show. out those coins in the ground with trash all around, like the real world, and see how fast works.

Because its the E-TREC that it is being compared too, showing that the Deus can find anything the E_trec can. Reversing it would show that the E could find anything the Deus could.

 

[Reeseb]

I just bought a Deus w/11-inch coil. I've been out one time with the Deus and I was very impressed with the depth. Shocked, actually. Went heads up with an SE Pro on a clad dime 9 inches deep. The SE Pro with full sensitivity couldn't see the dime while my Deus got a solid hit both ways in 4khz. I didn't expect this kind of depth. Now I'm wondering if I'll end up shelving the CTX3030 that I bought along with the Deus.

 

[diggindowndeep]

Now I'm wondering if I'll end up shelving the CTX3030 that I bought along with the Deus.

During my extensive research process for my next "go to" detector, I actually talked on the phone with a few well versed detectorists that are located here in the US(both North & South). They have all done just that, along with shelving their E-tracs for only rare occasions as well. I found this bit of valuable information to be quite telling. FYI No pockets were being padded here either & these guys rarely post anything on these forums for various reasons.

This info really helped me with making the final decision to go with the Deus vs. another Minelab E-trac, etc. The main things that I was told by them was to get Andy's Deus Handbook, be very patient & use/learn the Deus exclusively until I am one with it. Because coming from having only used Minelabs before this, the learning curve/tones will take some time & not all former Minelab users will gel with it. It's either gonna be a "love it or hate it" type of thing.

They were all very adamant in regards to the Deus's amazing capabilities & untapped potential when it's put into the right hands. I've also been told by these very trustworthy sources that once it all clicks, it's a total game changer... I know this is all subjective, it's just some added food for thought.

 

[Southwind]

Because its the E-TREC that it is being compared too, showing that the Deus can find anything the E_trec can. Reversing it would show that the E could find anything the Deus could.

Wouldn't you want to show the Deus can find targets the E-Trac can't? That would also be called comparing. We all know it is real easy for any detector to see a coin that has already been found by another detector. It really doesn't prove much. My AT Pro can see the deep coins after I find them with my E-Trac and know where to put the coil, but it sure can't compare to the E-Trac when it comes to finding those on its own. <- My point.

What changed my mind was hunting a tot lot one day and saw a pull tab about 7-8" away from a metal poll. I swung my coil over it just for the heck of it and got nothing but the poll. No matter how hard I tried I could not get it to see that pull tab just the poll. That is when I realized I could be missing many of gold pieces close to the playground equipment. It is just the nature of the coil. The Deus needs a good elliptical coil before it would make a great tot lot machine. My AT Pro or even my DFX would have seen that tab eaisly with the elliptical coils I run on them.